Starwaster Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Where I can find stockalike config for current version of RealFuels?That's updated not to cause errors? There is none. It's not updated yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klgraham1013 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Where I can find stockalike config for current version of RealFuels?Also patiently (or trying to be) waiting for Raptor to update this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 So, does tedach's attempt at a quick fix in this post not fix it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrador Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 It seems that Real Fuels and Soviet Engines are currently incompatible as loading freezes on the NK33 (the first engine). How can it be fixed? Or is it a problem with engine cfg files themselves? Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitspace Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Why is it called the Cold War nightmare? What do you mean under scary resources?I am currently not at home to actually see it for myself but it sounds just too interesting not to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warringer Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Why is it called the Cold War nightmare? What do you mean under scary resources?I am currently not at home to actually see it for myself but it sounds just too interesting not to ask.The config files allow you to use Liquid Fluorine and some other very nasty things that are theorized to be used as oxydizer. I for one am glad that it doesn't include FOOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrandom Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 The config files allow you to use Liquid Fluorine and some other very nasty things that are theorized to be used as oxydizer. I for one am glad that it doesn't include FOOF.Oh god... FOOF rockets would be the most kerbal thing ever! WE NEED FOOF ROCKETS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klgraham1013 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 So, does tedach's attempt at a quick fix in this post not fix it?I swear I tried it and it wasn't working with KW. It seams I was wrong. It seems to be working. I'll start a game today and see if I run into any problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 The config files allow you to use Liquid Fluorine and some other very nasty things that are theorized to be used as oxydizer. I for one am glad that it doesn't include FOOF.FOOF would have been incredibly hard to handle, even in KSP. It is a solid at -163C and starts decaying at -160C at a rate of 4% per day. Furthermore, it apparently reacts with pretty much everything; even ClF3 forms a metal fluorine shell to ensconce itself in, which makes handling it (in KSP) at least reasonably plausible. That is pretty much why I left FOOF out of the resources.Oh god... FOOF rockets would be the most kerbal thing ever! WE NEED FOOF ROCKETS!lol so we can blow up KSC even moar tiems, amirite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrandom Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 lol so we can blow up KSC even moar tiems, amirite?You better believe it! Hell, if we can get a new procedural tank type (heavier) with a lining that can sorta handle FOOF, I vote that it gets added to the fuels. I want to know what a FOOF rocket would be like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) You better believe it! Hell, if we can get a new procedural tank type (heavier) with a lining that can sorta handle FOOF, I vote that it gets added to the fuels. I want to know what a FOOF rocket would be like!If you can find data on its performance, let me know and I'll look into it. Even RPA doesn't have it listed as a usable oxidizer, while having things like ClF3 and FLOX. It's a highly theoretical fuel oxidizer that was probably never seriously considered (even to figure out the performance) for the reasons I've given.E: Failing that, probably the closest thing that's in Real Fuels right now is FLOX88, but that's a Fluorine/Oxygen mixture and not actual F2O2.E2: Also, let it be known that if people are seriously missing things like lithium, berylium, and aluminum-based fuels, I can potentially add them. This first iteration was mainly to standardize fuel names while adding a bunch of '50's-era weirdness for fun (also because I wanted pentaborane for an eventual manned all-hypergolics to Saturn mission). Edited October 15, 2014 by regex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwaster Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 lol so we can blow up KSC even moar tiems, amirite?Hellz yeah blow up KSC!!!(uhm strictly in the name of science though...):blush::blush: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrandom Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 If you can find data on its performance, let me know and I'll look into it. Even RPA doesn't have it listed as a usable oxidizer, while having things like ClF3 and FLOX. It's a highly theoretical fuel oxidizer that was probably never seriously considered (even to figure out the performance) for the reasons I've given.I'd have to calculate it myself, and I'm not a chemist. No idea how... I wonder if we should ask this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I'd have to calculate it myself, and I'm not a chemist. No idea how... I wonder if we should ask this guy. Derik's a busy guy, I wouldn't bug him I am a chemist and I wouldn't know how to begin... If ever I get a free chance, I might look into it. All... ok, some of the data is available. I wrote a paper on it once, though; conflagrate is a useful word. Detonate is another good one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrandom Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Well it's simple, you just calculate the reaction enthalpy of the stagnation pressure at stochastic temperature! (I read those words in a book!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felbourn Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Symmetry mode + TweakScale is not working. This video shows the problem. It scales fine until symmetry is on, but then if you scale up and back down it loses volume.http://youtu.be/N4m3zazIUes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NathanKell Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 Felbourn, thanks for the report. Odd. I would think TweakScale's rescale method would get called on all counterparts. I'll check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedach Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 So, does tedach's attempt at a quick fix in this post not fix it?Happy to report it works for me! At least for any engines that haven't had their names changed through patches. Haven't found any problems otherwise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwaster Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Well it's simple, you just calculate the reaction enthalpy of the stagnation pressure at stochastic temperature! (I read those words in a book!)You also forgot stoichiometric and adiabatic. (the last one means you can't catch diabetes from riding on the rocket) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NathanKell Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 Argh, I actually know what all those words mean now (thanks, modeling piston engines and RealHeat). Why am I making myself into an engineer? I was a *philosophy* major for crying out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrandom Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Argh, I actually know what all those words mean now (thanks, modeling piston engines and RealHeat). Why am I making myself into an engineer? I was a *philosophy* major for crying out loud.HAHA! Awesome. I'm struggling through learning the required math at the moment, but I picked up those terms (or some approximation of them) from "The Mechanics and Thermodynamics of Propulsion", which is by far the best engineering text I've ever read. When was the last time you saw a textbook that was gripping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrador Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 It seems that Real Fuels and Soviet Engines are currently incompatible as loading freezes on the NK33 (the first engine). How can it be fixed? Or is it a problem with engine cfg files themselves? Thank you.Sorry to repost my question again, but how do I solve the issue? Thank you for helping me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwaster Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Also patiently (or trying to be) waiting for Raptor to update this.So, does tedach's attempt at a quick fix in this post not fix it?It does. Just tried it.It seems that Real Fuels and Soviet Engines are currently incompatible as loading freezes on the NK33 (the first engine). How can it be fixed? Or is it a problem with engine cfg files themselves? Thank you.Tyrador, the problem is some resource names changed. I don't use the Soviet Pack so I'm not sure where the configs for it came from. If they came from the Stockalike configs from Raptor, then the link above should fix it. Otherwise you need to wait until its configs are updated. (by whoever made them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braininator Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 If you can find data on its performance, let me know and I'll look into it. Even RPA doesn't have it listed as a usable oxidizer, while having things like ClF3 and FLOX. It's a highly theoretical fuel oxidizer that was probably never seriously considered (even to figure out the performance) for the reasons I've given.E: Failing that, probably the closest thing that's in Real Fuels right now is FLOX88, but that's a Fluorine/Oxygen mixture and not actual F2O2.E2: Also, let it be known that if people are seriously missing things like lithium, berylium, and aluminum-based fuels, I can potentially add them. This first iteration was mainly to standardize fuel names while adding a bunch of '50's-era weirdness for fun (also because I wanted pentaborane for an eventual manned all-hypergolics to Saturn mission).so FOOF is F2O2? Based on what I remember from AP Chem... If you ever use that, warn me first... I want to be on Mars first... It's less of a health hazard O_o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 so FOOF is F2O2? Based on what I remember from AP Chem... If you ever use that, warn me first... I want to be on Mars first... It's less of a health hazard O_oIndeed, just google FOOF and click on the link to "things I wont work with". A really cool blog if you're at all into chemistry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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