Avalon304 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Updatehttp://i.imgur.com/Q1d7W8E.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/isXLjCG.jpgTo Do-Nosecone Flight control systems texture details.-Any additional art support that may come up.-All Unity/KSP integration (Nazari's end). First flights have already begun which returned some issues that have been solved but required some art assets.-Interior-Lift vehicle (possibly Energia inspired)Optional-If time permits, I will include the Airstair truck so your Kerbals can disembark from the KSO EWBCL-KSO EWBCL does not have an airstairOh my... the Ascension looks great... I cant wait to fly her... do want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a113neddie Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 looks incredible cant wait to get my hand on it!!! great work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaske Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Looking good, can not wait to get my hands on her to fly! Looking forward for it, nice job Helldiver! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qnistNAMEERF Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Updatehttp://i.imgur.com/Q1d7W8E.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/isXLjCG.jpgTo Do-Nosecone Flight control systems texture details.-Any additional art support that may come up.-All Unity/KSP integration (Nazari's end). First flights have already begun which returned some issues that have been solved but required some art assets.-Interior-Lift vehicle (possibly Energia inspired)Optional-If time permits, I will include the Airstair truck so your Kerbals can disembark from the KSO EWBCL-KSO EWBCL does not have an airstairThat's looking great. I look forward to seeing what you have in store for the interior. Great work helldiver and Nazari! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasmic Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Updatehttp://i.imgur.com/Q1d7W8E.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/isXLjCG.jpgTo Do-Nosecone Flight control systems texture details.-Any additional art support that may come up.-All Unity/KSP integration (Nazari's end). First flights have already begun which returned some issues that have been solved but required some art assets.-Interior-Lift vehicle (possibly Energia inspired)Optional-If time permits, I will include the Airstair truck so your Kerbals can disembark from the KSO EWBCL-KSO EWBCL does not have an airstairIf you choose to do an Energia-like launch vehicle, you should seriously consider placing four attachment points on the bottom of the EFT. That would allow us to remove the engines from the Super 25 and place them under the EFT, like on the Buran-Energiya/Energia/Energya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtualgenius Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I like the russian design it was a much better concept than the american one but sadly it never made full time flight first shuttle to fly automatically though no pilots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomoo Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Your take on an Energia launcher would be verrry interesting, and I can't wait to see that. Work's looking brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotengineer Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 An Energia inspired launcher would be nice, something new. A crew truck would be interesting as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
switchON Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Hey people, I have a problem with my KSO.When I get in the SmartAss section in the RPM, I have "Autopilot software not installed". But I have the last mechleb version and I've fixed the mechleb controler on my shuttle... Any idea?Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstar Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Hey people, I have a problem with my KSO.When I get in the SmartAss section in the RPM, I have "Autopilot software not installed". But I have the last mechleb version and I've fixed the mechleb controler on my shuttle... Any idea?Thanks Are you using the latest version of Raster Prop Monitors? Might just need to update it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
switchON Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Are you using the latest version of Raster Prop Monitors? Might just need to update it.Good hit . I've just resolved my problem. Thanks . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstar Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Good hit . I've just resolved my problem. Thanks .Good deal your welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo6060 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Good hit . I've just resolved my problem. Thanks .I wish it was that easy for me. : | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimetime35c Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Helldiver could you maybe make two different lifters? Like an Energia launcher and a regular shuttle stack? I like the energia but I'd rather have a shuttle style launcher. Like the look of the booster main fuel tank better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westi29 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 If you do the Energia launcher can you make the cone detachable so that people can use it for regular launches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Hunt Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 (edited) You know, the only time Energia was used for a payload other then Buran, the payload was still mounted on the side of the vehicle. Personally, I'd prefer the STS style ET/SRBs, could you keep both options? Maybe include an version of the phase 1's ET/LRBs? Or maybe, take the best of both worlds and just make the ET with a swappable bottom. one with extra fuel and one with mounts for engines. Edited May 27, 2014 by Capt. Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalon304 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 If you do the Energia launcher can you make the cone detachable so that people can use it for regular launches?Energia wasnt a normal stack. It was designed to have the payload hang off the side, just like the space shuttle lift system. Even the Polyus satellite was mounted on the side of the launcher, as was Buran the one time it was launched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp1989 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 (edited) Energia wasnt a normal stack. It was designed to have the payload hang off the side, just like the space shuttle lift system. Even the Polyus satellite was mounted on the side of the launcher, as was Buran the one time it was launched.Like this! Imagine getting recon photos of that stack during the cold war? "The Russians are planning on the Nuking the moon!!" Edited May 27, 2014 by sp1989 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalon304 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 (edited) Like this! Imagine getting recon photos of that stack during the cold war? "The Russians are planning on the Nuking the moon!!"http://ninfinger.org/models/vault2004/polyus.jpgYep, just like that. Energia (atleast the version that carried Polyus and Buran) was also fully expendable. There were plans for a reusable version, but they never came to pass since the Energia system was cancelled.EDIT: I do wonder how Energia-Buran dealt with the odd center of mass that a side mounted payload was give the entire stack, given that Buran didnt have any main engines like the Space Shuttle did. Edited May 27, 2014 by Avalon304 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtualgenius Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 (edited) I prefer Energia looks better and I think the Buran was better overall shame it never got to do regular flights Edited May 27, 2014 by Virtualgenius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp1989 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Now it would only be Energia style because the S25 had main engines so it would only look like the Energia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westi29 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Energia wasnt a normal stack. It was designed to have the payload hang off the side, just like the space shuttle lift system. Even the Polyus satellite was mounted on the side of the launcher, as was Buran the one time it was launched.interesting, obviously didn't know lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helldiver Posted May 27, 2014 Author Share Posted May 27, 2014 (edited) Now it would only be Energia style because the S25 had main engines so it would only look like the Energia.Thank you.I believe there was a misunderstanding. I'm not making Energia from Buran. To make the Energia boosters and design, would take too long for the amount of time I have available for this project. This project is already taking way too long as it is. Energia type boosters are also 4x more complicated to balance than the KSO Lifter 2 LRB+EFT design.The design of the Super 25 lifter's boosters are inspired by Energia in looks only, but not in function.I prefer not to split the lifter up into sub-components for the following reasons:-If you want a lifter that comes in parts (cones, bottom end, mid section), download any number of awesome mods that provide that. Adding yet another EFT, SRB, LRB parts kit is a waste of my time.-It makes it difficult for Nazari to balance properly since you end up with fuel in various sections all being used up in different ways complicating things significantly.-We have enough complaints in this thread from people not even able to fly the stock KSO that comes in the download... the thread would fill with complaints about a multi-part LRB/EFT solution that doesn't function well for them.-This project isn't designed to cater to advanced KSP users. I'm trying to target folks that want a shuttle that's easy to use and is an addition to gameplay content that doesn't become a chore on its own.Hope that clarifies things. Edited May 27, 2014 by helldiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalon304 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 interesting, obviously didn't know lol.In the best tradition of Soviet engineering, they conceived it as the lift system for Buran, but then said 'We should use this for ALL THE THINGS!' and so they did. And they made it completely expendable... I really do wonder how they dealt with the center of mass being off to one side like the space shuttle... I wonder if Energia's 4 main engines were gimbald like the SSMEs on the shuttle...I like the external look of the Energia system but Im not a huge fan of the engine layout on the bottom. 4 LRBs with 4 exhaust nozzles each and then 4 main engines in the central stage... 20 engine nozzles on the bottom of that thing... very cluttered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasmic Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 In the best tradition of Soviet engineering, they conceived it as the lift system for Buran, but then said 'We should use this for ALL THE THINGS!' and so they did. And they made it completely expendable... I really do wonder how they dealt with the center of mass being off to one side like the space shuttle... I wonder if Energia's 4 main engines were gimbald like the SSMEs on the shuttle...I like the external look of the Energia system but Im not a huge fan of the engine layout on the bottom. 4 LRBs with 4 exhaust nozzles each and then 4 main engines in the central stage... 20 engine nozzles on the bottom of that thing... very cluttered.There were plans for a reusable Energia rocket (completely reusable, not just partially). One of those were called Energiya-Uragan, which would make the four LRBs capable of flying back to launc site and land on a runway, and the same with the main stack - they'd simply stick modified Buran wings onto the Energiya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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