[1.12.X] Tantares - Stockalike Soyuz and MIR [16.1][28.05.2024][Mars Expedition WIP]

[Jcking]

8 minutes ago, Minmus Taster said:

Were talking about the Vostok one.

You are in fact supposed to use the Soyuz parachute for Voskhod builds (beale did make a dedicated Voskhod chute, but cut it because it was identical to the soyuz chute).

[Minmus Taster]

42 minutes ago, Jcking said:

You are in fact supposed to use the Soyuz parachute for Voskhod builds (beale did make a dedicated Voskhod chute, but cut it because it was identical to the soyuz chute).

Oh silly me  

[Entr8899]

6 hours ago, Minmus Taster said:

Were talking about the Vostok one.

Or? The Soyuz parachute is the same diameter and sits flush with whatever you place on top of it.

[Daniel Prates]

Hmmm since you guys are talking about "soyuzes"....

Is the soyuz heatshield too buoyant? I think it happens with other tantares heatshields too. If you jettison the shield, the capsule settles half-way into the water as with any other capsule. But if you hit the water with the heatshield attached, the capsule+heatshield will keep "basketballing" over the water. It is a strange behavior.

Yes I know...  "Just jettison the heatshield" or "its supposed to land on the ground". Maybe so, that's not the point. All capsules plus a heatshield have a weight/volume ratio so that they settle nicelly on the water, but tantares capsules + tantares heatshiels when used together, they just bounce over the water in a weird way. That can'y be right.

Edit.: or maybe its just me? Anyone else notice this?

Edited September 18, 2021 by Daniel Prates

[The Brazilian Luigi]

Having some problems, some ships wont load even though I have the mod and dependencies but it still does this.

Wait

How do I send images

Edited September 18, 2021 by The Brazilian Luigi

[jefferyharrell]

9 hours ago, Daniel Prates said:

Hmmm since you guys are talking about "soyuzes"....

Is the soyuz heatshield too buoyant? I think it happens with other tantares heatshields too. If you jettison the shield, the capsule settles half-way into the water as with any other capsule. But if you hit the water with the heatshield attached, the capsule+heatshield will keep "basketballing" over the water. It is a strange behavior.

Yes I know...  "Just jettison the heatshield" or "its supposed to land on the ground". Maybe so, that's not the point. All capsules plus a heatshield have a weight/volume ratio so that they settle nicelly on the water, but tantares capsules + tantares heatshiels when used together, they just bounce over the water in a weird way. That can'y be right.

Edit.: or maybe its just me? Anyone else notice this?

I've actually read that this is a Scatterer thing. Something similar to what you described happens with a Mk1-3 pod and 2.5m heat shield.

[bokrif]

On 9/13/2021 at 4:45 AM, bokrif said:

First, thank you for your continoued work on Tantares!

Secondly, the parts in the deprecated folders do not seem to be loading (and cause some old ships of mine to be not loaded). I tried to restore the textures files and the localisation entries, however the problems persist.

Here is an example entry from the log for the old Sargas Docking Port (side question, does this part has a newer version or it was eliminated entirely?):

[ERR 04:16:48.656] PartCompiler: Cannot compile part

[LOG 04:16:48.656] PartLoader: Compiling Part 'Tantares/parts/z_deprecated_4/_sargas_docking_mechanism_s1p5_1/sargas_docking_mechanism_s1p5_1'
[ERR 04:16:48.666] PartLoader: Encountered exception during compilation. System.ArgumentException: Requested value 'None' was not found.
  at System.Enum+EnumResult.SetFailure (System.Enum+ParseFailureKind failure, System.String failureMessageID, System.Object failureMessageFormatArgument) [0x00023] in <9577ac7a62ef43179789031239ba8798>:0 
  at System.Enum.TryParseEnum (System.Type enumType, System.String value, System.Boolean ignoreCase, System.Enum+EnumResult& parseResult) [0x0017a] in <9577ac7a62ef43179789031239ba8798>:0 
  at System.Enum.Parse (System.Type enumType, System.String value, System.Boolean ignoreCase) [0x00010] in <9577ac7a62ef43179789031239ba8798>:0 
  at System.Enum.Parse (System.Type enumType, System.String value) [0x00000] in <9577ac7a62ef43179789031239ba8798>:0 
  at ConfigNode.ParseEnum (System.Type enumType, System.String vectorString) [0x00000] in <cd473063d3a2482f8d93d388d0c95035>:0 
  at ConfigNode.ReadValue (System.Type fieldType, System.String value) [0x00516] in <cd473063d3a2482f8d93d388d0c95035>:0 
  at ConfigNode.ReadObject (System.Object obj, ConfigNode node) [0x00143] in <cd473063d3a2482f8d93d388d0c95035>:0 
  at ConfigNode.LoadObjectFromConfig (System.Object obj, ConfigNode node, System.Int32 pass, System.Boolean removeAfterUse) [0x0001a] in <cd473063d3a2482f8d93d388d0c95035>:0 
  at PartLoader.ParsePart (UrlDir+UrlConfig urlConfig, ConfigNode node) [0x001a9] in <cd473063d3a2482f8d93d388d0c95035>:0 
  at PartLoader+<CompileParts>d__56.MoveNext () [0x00685] in <cd473063d3a2482f8d93d388d0c95035>:0 

[ERR 04:16:48.667] PartCompiler: Cannot compile part

[LOG 04:16:48.667] PartLoader: Compiling Part 'Tantares/parts/z_deprecated_4/_sargas_docking_mechanism_s1p5_2/sargas_docking_mechanism_s1p5_2'
[ERR 04:16:48.677] PartLoader: Encountered exception during compilation. System.ArgumentException: Requested value 'None' was not found.
  at System.Enum+EnumResult.SetFailure (System.Enum+ParseFailureKind failure, System.String failureMessageID, System.Object failureMessageFormatArgument) [0x00023] in <9577ac7a62ef43179789031239ba8798>:0 
  at System.Enum.TryParseEnum (System.Type enumType, System.String value, System.Boolean ignoreCase, System.Enum+EnumResult& parseResult) [0x0017a] in <9577ac7a62ef43179789031239ba8798>:0 
  at System.Enum.Parse (System.Type enumType, System.String value, System.Boolean ignoreCase) [0x00010] in <9577ac7a62ef43179789031239ba8798>:0 
  at System.Enum.Parse (System.Type enumType, System.String value) [0x00000] in <9577ac7a62ef43179789031239ba8798>:0 
  at ConfigNode.ParseEnum (System.Type enumType, System.String vectorString) [0x00000] in <cd473063d3a2482f8d93d388d0c95035>:0 
  at ConfigNode.ReadValue (System.Type fieldType, System.String value) [0x00516] in <cd473063d3a2482f8d93d388d0c95035>:0 
  at ConfigNode.ReadObject (System.Object obj, ConfigNode node) [0x00143] in <cd473063d3a2482f8d93d388d0c95035>:0 
  at ConfigNode.LoadObjectFromConfig (System.Object obj, ConfigNode node, System.Int32 pass, System.Boolean removeAfterUse) [0x0001a] in <cd473063d3a2482f8d93d388d0c95035>:0 
  at PartLoader.ParsePart (UrlDir+UrlConfig urlConfig, ConfigNode node) [0x001a9] in <cd473063d3a2482f8d93d388d0c95035>:0 
  at PartLoader+<CompileParts>d__56.MoveNext () [0x00685] in <cd473063d3a2482f8d93d388d0c95035>:0 

What do you think is the problem?

Okay, this is getting strange at least to me.

I tried to use the pre-deprecated Sargas docking mechanism part from earlier version, which puts these files at the old parts/FGB-TUG folder.

Edit: I used version 20 and a clean GameData folder, yet it does not load citing the below:

[LOG 22:19:53.403] PartLoader: Compiling Part 'Tantares/parts/FGB-TUG/_sargas_docking_mechanism_s1p5_1/sargas_docking_mechanism_s1p5_1'
[ERR 22:19:53.405] PartCompiler: Cannot clone model 'Tantares/Parts/FGB-TUG/sargas_docking_mechanism_s1p5_1' as model does not exist

[ERR 22:19:53.405] PartCompiler: Model was not compiled correctly

[ERR 22:19:53.406] PartCompiler: Cannot compile model

[ERR 22:19:53.406] PartCompiler: Cannot compile part

[LOG 22:19:53.407] PartLoader: Compiling Part 'Tantares/parts/FGB-TUG/_sargas_docking_mechanism_s1p5_2/sargas_docking_mechanism_s1p5_2'
[ERR 22:19:53.408] PartCompiler: Cannot clone model 'Tantares/Parts/FGB-TUG/sargas_docking_mechanism_s1p5_2' as model does not exist

[ERR 22:19:53.408] PartCompiler: Model was not compiled correctly

[ERR 22:19:53.409] PartCompiler: Cannot compile model

[ERR 22:19:53.410] PartCompiler: Cannot compile part

This is very odd to me, as I copied these from versions where it worked. Does my latest KSP version handling wrong these two files?

Edited September 19, 2021 by bokrif

[Daniel Prates]

1 hour ago, jefferyharrell said:

I've actually read that this is a Scatterer thing. Something similar to what you described happens with a Mk1-3 pod and 2.5m heat shield.

Hmm.... I dont use scatterer, but do use EVE.

Still, no part I use keeps bouncing above the water. Not even tantates capsules, actually. Only capsules with tantares heatshields.

[jefferyharrell]

16 minutes ago, Daniel Prates said:

Hmm.... I dont use scatterer, but do use EVE.

Still, no part I use keeps bouncing above the water. Not even tantates capsules, actually. Only capsules with tantares heatshields.

I stand corrected, then.

[Daniel Prates]

32 minutes ago, jefferyharrell said:

I stand corrected, then.

No, it could be that. It is also a visual enhancement mod. In fact I will try removing it and see if it makes a difference.

[Minmus Taster]

btw Beale, I have to sound pushy but what's going on with 2/3MV? we haven't heard from the little fella in awhile  

[AstroMatthew]

Rip My russian side of my ISS. could yall make a craft file for the russia side of the ISS everytime yall update it.

Edited September 19, 2021 by AstroMatthew

[Friznit]

5 hours ago, AstroMatthew said:

Rip My russian side of my ISS. could yall make a craft file for the russia side of the ISS everytime yall update it.

https://github.com/friznit/Unofficial-Tantares-Wiki/wiki/ISS

Some of the part names in the guide have likely changed (which is also why old craft files aren't working).  If you could rebuild the craft using the guide and point out which of the parts listed is incorrect, that would be super helpful.  I'll work through them all given time but any help would speed up the updates.

[Beale]

unfortunately I am a little pressed for time to fix the craft files at the moment, and don't have KSP installed anymore. Not going to do any more modding for KSP 1.

It would be possible eventually to clean up and release them, but if somebody can provide them I will rebundle the release. In the meantime, Friznit's wiki is the best resource you can ask for.

 

[billbobjebkirk]

14 hours ago, Beale said:

unfortunately I am a little pressed for time to fix the craft files at the moment, and don't have KSP installed anymore. Not going to do any more modding for KSP 1.

It would be possible eventually to clean up and release them, but if somebody can provide them I will rebundle the release. In the meantime, Friznit's wiki is the best resource you can ask for.

 

Sad to hear, but you've closed this mod on a pretty good note! Pretty grateful for the extra time you've dedicated to it since KSP2 was delayed, and I hope that when it does come out, you'll be in a good situation to do just as good!

[Minmus Taster]

On 9/20/2021 at 2:48 AM, Beale said:

unfortunately I am a little pressed for time to fix the craft files at the moment, and don't have KSP installed anymore. Not going to do any more modding for KSP 1.

It would be possible eventually to clean up and release them, but if somebody can provide them I will rebundle the release. In the meantime, Friznit's wiki is the best resource you can ask for.

 

You did good Beale, you made an amazing mod

but could  by any chance be adopted in someone was willing though?

Edit: Looking back now, I'm just coherent enough to think I'm having a stroke XD

Edited November 27, 2021 by Minmus Taster

[Alpha512]

14 hours ago, Beale said:

unfortunately I am a little pressed for time to fix the craft files at the moment, and don't have KSP installed anymore. Not going to do any more modding for KSP 1.

It would be possible eventually to clean up and release them, but if somebody can provide them I will rebundle the release. In the meantime, Friznit's wiki is the best resource you can ask for.

 

So... no release for the 2MV anytime soon? Or is there already anywhere to grab them from?

[Beale]

11 hours ago, Minmus Taster said:

but could  by any chance be adopted in someone was willing though?

The licence allows people to fork it as they wish.

11 hours ago, Alpha512 said:

So... no release for the 2MV anytime soon? Or is there already anywhere to grab them from?

I might try to finish it up at some point, since it is basically complete (just missing one set of solar panels).

You can grab the "nearly complete" version of it from here (just missing a couple of descriptions etc, maybe some balancing oddities).

https://github.com/Tantares/TantaresSP

If you want to help with 2mv balancing, descriptions, if you are happy to make a pull request I would be delighted to integrate it and get it released sooner.

Edited September 21, 2021 by Beale

[septemberWaves]

Is there likely to be a final release of TantaresLV with the 1.5m rescale patch included? Asking not to push for an update, but because if there won't be a release then I'll write up a quick guide for anyone who wants to update the rescale patch manually.

[Minmus Taster]

3 hours ago, Beale said:

The licence allows people to fork it as they wish.

I might try to finish it up at some point, since it is basically complete (just missing one set of solar panels).

You can grab the "nearly complete" version of it from here (just missing a couple of descriptions etc, maybe some balancing oddities).

https://github.com/Tantares/TantaresSP

If you want to help with 2mv balancing, descriptions, if you are happy to make a pull request I would be delighted to integrate it and get it released sooner.

I'm not really a coding guy  but I could probably do the  descriptions and names if you or someone else ever decided to finish it. 

[Minmus Taster]

Spoiler

Did some dumb filter stuff on this one:

 

[Beccab]

12 minutes ago, Minmus Taster said:

 

Polyus vibes

[Minmus Taster]

14 hours ago, Beccab said:

Polyus vibes

Legend has it I still can't point the darn thing the right direction 

[Leszek]

On 9/20/2021 at 2:48 AM, Beale said:

Not going to do any more modding for KSP 1.

 

 

I am sorry to hear that.

Non-the-less, thank you very much for a glorious mod.  It has been one of my required KSP Mods since almost the start.

I have below a link to a KSP Vostok that was made using this mod before Tantares LV was a thing.  Circa 2014.  7 years.  My gosh.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/83yo55opd630tx5/front_Vostok 4_4.png?dl=0

[FlybeachYon2021]

tantares is just for 1.12.x or 1.12.2? also tantaressp

Edited September 23, 2021 by FlybeachYon2021
for new words