huge bug with fuel tanks and engie

[pijamaman5 10]

hello ,i have a huge bug with my fuel tanks :if i put he good fuel tanks on the good engine ,the engine will don't work at all ,but the game see the fuel in the tanks .Please ,help me 

[Xemina 215]

6 minutes ago, Okhin said:

@pijamaman5OK, après avoir relu le thread, je pense que j'ai trouvé où est le problème. Tu n'accélères pas le moteur en faisant un clic dessus, ce que tu changes c'est la poussée maximale (que tuas mise sur ta capture d'écran à 73.5%). Il est normal que, si tu ne change que cette barre, ile ne se passe rien. Ce qu'il faut que tu change c'est l'accélération. La jauge autour de la NavBall, à gauche, là où il y a écris Gaz. Et cela se chaneg avec W/X (pour aller respctivement plein gaz/ à l'arrêtà ou avec Shift Gauche/Control Gauche (pour augmenter progressivement).

I've also said that, but this is a better explaination. My french isn't good enough to go that far in depth.

Edited December 31, 2020 by Xemina

[Okhin 389]

Yeah, that's why I'm trying to make sens of everything said here to get a better picture at what is happening. I'm native in French (even if I'm not sure it's the language in which I spent the most amount of time), so subtility and sense lost in translations is kind of a second nature for me :p

[pijamaman5 10]

guys ,my steam don't work today ,tomorow ,i will try and post new images ,the problem is the engine don't see th fuel tank above him

[Xemina 215]

3 minutes ago, pijamaman5 said:

guys ,my steam don't work today ,tomorow ,i will try and post new images ,the problem is the engine don't see th fuel tank above him

C'est pas problème.

[VoidSquid 1,340]

Weird problem it is. All right. then let's see that we hopefully can solve it tomorrow.

[Geonovast 6,543]

@pijamaman5, @Xemina,  @Okhin, please provide full, direct English translations for all of your posts in this thread.  As pointed out earlier in the thread, all posts outside of the International subforum need to be posted in English or have an English translation provided.

[Xemina 215]

3 minutes ago, Geonovast said:

@pijamaman5, @Xemina,  @Okhin, please provide full, direct English translations for all of your posts in this thread.  As pointed out earlier in the thread, all posts outside of the International subforum need to be posted in English or have an English translation provided.

We are aware, but we have asked @pijamaman5 to create a new thread under the French subforum, which still hasn't happened.

Edited December 31, 2020 by Xemina

[pijamaman5 10]

sory

[VoidSquid 1,340]

Question: what are the keys / key names for Shift = increase and Ctrl = decrease throttle in French, maybe those keys do work and bring us closer to a solution?

[pijamaman5 10]

the problem come from the fuel 

the engine don't see the fuel

 

[Okhin 389]

D'après l'image que tu as collé, tes moteurs ont bien du carburant. Mais ils n'ont pas d'accélération (tu as juste changer la limite de pousséee). Que se passe-t-il si tu appuie sur W? On a besoin d'une image de ce qu'il se passe après que tu ai appuyé sur W (et que la jauge de GAZ soit à 100%).

[According to the picture you showed us, they do see the fuel. You have no throttle (you only changed thrust limiter). What happens if you press W? We need a screen cap of i (and the throttle needs to be up at 100%).]

@VoidSquidThey are Shift and Contrôle, so no, they're not an issue here.

[VoidSquid 1,340]

All right... and how about uninstalling KSP 1.11.0 (I assume @pijamaman5 has installed the latest version) and installing 1.10.1?

Logfiles? Modlist?

Edited December 31, 2020 by VoidSquid

[steuben 698]

Given you're running through steam. I think you should be able to post the craft file as well.

[pijamaman5 10]

happy New Year
If I left click on the engine, it tells me it has no fuel even though there is a full tank above

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2346368468

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2346368185

[Okhin 389]

Yes, that is because engines don't have fuel tanks. They consume fuel from fuel tank, but don't store it.

[Xemina 215]

22 minutes ago, pijamaman5 said:

happy New Year
If I left click on the engine, it tells me it has no fuel even though there is a full tank above

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2346368468

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2346368185

Mais le GAZ est à 0 ? Il doit être à 100 pour propulser au vaisseau. Appuyez sur la W pour le faire.

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But the throttle is at 0... It needs to be at 100 to move the vessel. Press Z on the keyboard to do so.

Edited January 2 by Xemina

[VoidSquid 1,340]

Can you share the .craft file @pijamaman5 ? Just upload the file to dropbox or some other file sharing service.

[Xemina 215]

Just now, VoidSquid said:

Can you share the .craft file @pijamaman5 ? Just upload the file to dropbox or some other file sharing service.

Or upload it to Steam.

[VoidSquid 1,340]

I don't run steam for playing KSP, that's why I asked for uploading it to a file sharing site.

But maybe you can share it then via dropbox or a similar site, @Xemina?

Besides, what KSP version you're playing, @pijamaman5? If it is 1.11.0, have you tried 1.10.1, if the issue occurs there too? While 1.11.0 introduced many new and interesting features, it also came with a lot of issues/bugs, maybe your problem is part of those.

Edited January 2 by VoidSquid

[MarsUltor 17]

1 hour ago, pijamaman5 said:

happy New Year
If I left click on the engine, it tells me it has no fuel even though there is a full tank above

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2346368468

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2346368185

As with everybody above, this seems like a confusing problem... that said, after you stage your engine (and throttle up), does the engine info box (whatever it’s called) say “flameout” or (I don’t remember the exact wording) “no fuel present”? Because on your staging menu (the column on the left of the screen), it indicates that your engine has 4008 m/s dV, which means the engine is “seeing” the fuel.

[Okhin 389]

@MarsUltorit seems that @pijamaman5is:

1) not throttling the engine

2) think they did, using the Thrust limiter sliders

3) activated the engine manually, instead of staging, but it should work

4) expects the engine parts to have fuel in them

So, engines don't have fuel in them. They have access to fuel. And, according to the screenshots shared, they have. I know this because in the staging sequence (bottom left of the screen) next to the engine, there's a green gauge, filled up, meaning the engine have access to fuel.

And as long as there's no screenshot which displays the issue, while also having the engine staged and throttled up (they are activated so, it's ok), I'll continue to assume there is no bug, but there's a misunderstanding of how the interface works from @pijamaman5. I would strongy suggest to do the tutorials, especially the basic ones, all of this is covered in them.

[pijamaman5 10]

i do tutorial and it doesn't work at all

Edited January 2 by pijamaman5

[vv3k70r 300]

On 12/30/2020 at 1:06 PM, pijamaman5 said:

what is SRB

Please do tutorials in game.

It will help You a lot.

Read, understund, execute. They are well made. Tested on children.

Edited January 2 by vv3k70r

[Popestar 377]

@pijamaman5

Pardonnez-moi si la grammaire ou quoi que ce soit ne fonctionne pas;  J'utilise Google Traduction pour ce message car je ne parle pas français.

La seule chose que je n'ai pas vue est de savoir si le moteur est vraiment connecté au réservoir.  Dans le VAB, lorsque vous survolez le moteur, est-il vert et est-il connecté au reste de la fusée?  Ou est-il surligné en rouge?

De plus, avez-vous quelque chose entre le moteur et le réservoir?  Si tel est le cas, cliquez avec le bouton droit de la souris sur cette partie et assurez-vous qu'elle dispose non seulement d'une option Crossfeed, mais que Crossfeed est activé.

Spoiler

Forgive me if the grammar or anything is off; I am using Google Translate for this post as I do not speak French.

The one thing I have not seen asked is if the engine truly is connected to the tank.  In the VAB, when you hover over the engine, is it green and showing connected to the rest of the rocket?  Or is it highlighted red?

Also, do you have anything between the engine and the tank?  If so, right-click on that part and make sure it not only has a Crossfeed option, but that Crossfeed is enabled.

 

Edited January 2 by Popestar

[VoidSquid 1,340]

I have to admit, slowly but surely I'm losing my confidence that we will be able solve this problem. 

We asked for log files, for the craft file,  for a mod list, for screenshots showing a non-zero throttle,  or if the issue also appears with a different KSP version. None of these questions have been answered. We don't even know by the OPs own account what KSP version he's using.

I really love to help, but that requires that both sides, the person asking for help, as well as the person(s) trying to help, are listening to each other, and go the steps together to find a solution. And we are, as per my understanding, in a deadlock here. 

If anyone has further ideas, I'll be happy to continue trying to solve this, but for now, I don't see that it makes any sense to continue with the same talking past each other.

Edited January 3 by VoidSquid