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[1.7.X] Tantares - Stockalike Soyuz and MIR [18.0][14/07/2019][New LK]

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need another lander, but LK already goes almost anywhere? then clearly we need a lander that can't!

220px-Gemini_LOR_lander.svg.png

though to be fair another lunar lander like the advanced gemini concept may not the best choice since the moon is actually a relatively hard target so if you can land there you can land anywhere...

Are there any phobos/deimos lander concepts out there?

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need another lander, but LK already goes almost anywhere? then clearly we need a lander that can't!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Gemini_LOR_lander.svg/220px-Gemini_LOR_lander.svg.png

though to be fair another lunar lander like the advanced gemini concept may not the best choice since the moon is actually a relatively hard target so if you can land there you can land anywhere...

Are there any phobos/deimos lander concepts out there?

Not really, but landing on those is hard. You could use the MMSEV and float down, or you could build a tumbler.

Of course, MMSEV is too complicated for KSP and a tumber would require lots of other mods... :(

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Well how about unmanned landers then like the phobos-grunt... wait...
It could use an upgrade. The sample return capsule would be nice.

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Sorry I think it has slipped through this bug (I do not think many people use this part, me included).

Don't worry I will fix it.

For what it's worth, I use the Venera probe&transmitter parts for just about every atmospheric probe mission I launch :)

If there is talk of a non-LK lander, as a few other posters have mentioned, might I suggest the Langley Lander. The Langley was intended to be used with a Gemini-based EOR mission proposal, and was a tiny "open cockpit" lightweight 1 man lander which folded up into a Gemini-diameter cargo bay. I've had an incredibly difficult time re-creating one in KSP (even with generous part clipping) mostly due to the lack of suitable landing legs. It seems like something that would make a great addition to this pack, and go well with the existing Tantares Gemini modules.

http://www.astronautix.com/craft/lmllight.htm

http://www.airspacemag.com/space/lunar-landers-that-never-were-24004927/?no-ist

On the red side, I've always thought the LK-700 direct-assent lander would be an incredible addition. I've tried to make a suitable capsule myself (PM'ed you about working in Wings3d a while back) but ran out of patience trying to get the ladder & hatch attached correctly in Unity. If a suitable capsule was made, along with the somewhat unique landing legs, stock/existing parts could easily make the rest of the lander. Its addition would round-out the collection of soviet-ish parts quite well.

http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/z/zlk3700.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dv1L8.jpg

https://falsesteps.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/landing-gear.jpg

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On development front, solar panels are in-game and working fine, the DM now has a flag decal also.

http://puu.sh/kLAMq/d2d3e7911c.jpg

Hey Beale! I noticed that the flag on the modules resemble the italian tricolour (and I'm happy of it), but please, do not include it in the textures. It looks out of context, Tantares style has always been anonymous. What about a spot for mission flag instead? So everyone could customize the look of his grey and stylish capsule. Just my two cents (my 0.0176 euros lol)

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On the red side, I've always thought the LK-700 direct-assent lander would be an incredible addition. I've tried to make a suitable capsule myself (PM'ed you about working in Wings3d a while back) but ran out of patience trying to get the ladder & hatch attached correctly in Unity. If a suitable capsule was made, along with the somewhat unique landing legs, stock/existing parts could easily make the rest of the lander. Its addition would round-out the collection of soviet-ish parts quite well.

http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/z/zlk3700.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dv1L8.jpg

https://falsesteps.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/landing-gear.jpg

so wait... are you saying you have a model and texture in a state of near completion, and all you need is someone to glue a couple properly configured colliders to it?

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so wait... are you saying you have a model and texture in a state of near completion, and all you need is someone to glue a couple properly configured colliders to it?

Yes. I have a model (passable) and texture (crappy), but getting the finished part functional in KSP was a problem. It's not a complicated shape, simple cone, 2.5m base, 0.625m at top (very pointy shape, check out the pics), with two windows semi-recessed into the front side with the hatch in between them. The bottom is "flat", no built-in heatshield so a heatshield part would be used with it. Modeling it wasn't bad, the windows were the hardest part, and it imports into KSP fine and the surface mesh works right but has no hatch or "grab"able surface/ladder on the outside.

Long story short, there's a bunch of extra steps to properly get the hatch/ladder to work and I couldn't get it correct so I gave up after several hours of bashing my head against it.

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Thanks! I am making already alternative parts, basically now Tantares in RO has Voskhod capsule and parachute and since 10 minutes ago also an early Soyuz propulsion block :)

First Soviet ComSat in its glory!

:)

http://technicamolodezhi.ru/rubriki_tm/istorseries/is/1979/08_.jpg

https://d-a.d-cd.net/2883beu-960.jpg

http://www.manhunter.ru/upload/8d/db/8ddbebb7520ec0c8382fdd73ece055a9.jpg

First soft landing on the Moon! Note that interesting landing method of hovering above the surface and then jettisoning the payload in a cover to fall down on the surface

http://technicamolodezhi.ru/rubriki_tm/istorseries/is/1979/04_.jpg

https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/15581/43108745.28/0_f0e61_d498de9f_XXL.jpg

http://apograf.ru/wp-content/gallery/muzey_kosmonavtiki/img_9179.jpg

Seeing how I already made some configs for Fobos-Grunt a while ago, maybe I'll try to recreate the mission when Fregat will be released :P

Thanks!

Luna-9 is fun to produce.

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Molniya is so pretty, I may take a look at that in the future too (RemoteTech will benefit from this).

Hmm, Beale wants another lander for Tantares besides LK? What about Altair? If you make a new lander, I think it should have a high crew capacity (4-ish) while still being somewhat small. The stock lander cans and the crewed parts provided in Tantares currently do not allow easy construction of a 4+ Kerbal lander that isn't overly massive. I know it may be a little unrealistic to try to squeeze four or five Kerbals into a tin can like Altair, but it may be possible to do the old style Altair:

http://jmm45.free.fr/sondes/altair/lsama.jpg

I vote for the Altair! That'd be stellar to have a crew of four on the Mun.
How about a stockalike LEM? Haven't seen one of those

Altair / LEM don't interest me so much (+ there are already very good examples of these craft out there! :) ).

But, we cannot exclude the USA, how about a MEV?

zmem3vw.jpg

need another lander, but LK already goes almost anywhere? then clearly we need a lander that can't!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Gemini_LOR_lander.svg/220px-Gemini_LOR_lander.svg.png

though to be fair another lunar lander like the advanced gemini concept may not the best choice since the moon is actually a relatively hard target so if you can land there you can land anywhere...

Are there any phobos/deimos lander concepts out there?

This is a very cute design I am familiar with. Some problems to integrate it into KSP because it is so compact, but possible!

For what it's worth, I use the Venera probe&transmitter parts for just about every atmospheric probe mission I launch :)

If there is talk of a non-LK lander, as a few other posters have mentioned, might I suggest the Langley Lander. The Langley was intended to be used with a Gemini-based EOR mission proposal, and was a tiny "open cockpit" lightweight 1 man lander which folded up into a Gemini-diameter cargo bay. I've had an incredibly difficult time re-creating one in KSP (even with generous part clipping) mostly due to the lack of suitable landing legs. It seems like something that would make a great addition to this pack, and go well with the existing Tantares Gemini modules.

http://www.astronautix.com/craft/lmllight.htm

http://www.airspacemag.com/space/lunar-landers-that-never-were-24004927/?no-ist

On the red side, I've always thought the LK-700 direct-assent lander would be an incredible addition. I've tried to make a suitable capsule myself (PM'ed you about working in Wings3d a while back) but ran out of patience trying to get the ladder & hatch attached correctly in Unity. If a suitable capsule was made, along with the somewhat unique landing legs, stock/existing parts could easily make the rest of the lander. Its addition would round-out the collection of soviet-ish parts quite well.

http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/z/zlk3700.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dv1L8.jpg

https://falsesteps.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/landing-gear.jpg

Very interesting, the fact is made it to a mockup stage also helps pad out the details to work with :)

Thanks!

Hey Beale! I noticed that the flag on the modules resemble the italian tricolour (and I'm happy of it), but please, do not include it in the textures. It looks out of context, Tantares style has always been anonymous. What about a spot for mission flag instead? So everyone could customize the look of his grey and stylish capsule. Just my two cents (my 0.0176 euros lol)

No worries, it is just a mission flag! :)

I use the tricolore for my career gameplay.

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Yes. I have a model (passable) and texture (crappy), but getting the finished part functional in KSP was a problem. It's not a complicated shape, simple cone, 2.5m base, 0.625m at top (very pointy shape, check out the pics), with two windows semi-recessed into the front side with the hatch in between them. The bottom is "flat", no built-in heatshield so a heatshield part would be used with it. Modeling it wasn't bad, the windows were the hardest part, and it imports into KSP fine and the surface mesh works right but has no hatch or "grab"able surface/ladder on the outside.

Long story short, there's a bunch of extra steps to properly get the hatch/ladder to work and I couldn't get it correct so I gave up after several hours of bashing my head against it.

Pics!

Pics I say!

Filter Extension config and icons for Tantares & Tantares-LV.

Maybe this was posted before, but the thread is way too long...

-> Download <-

Install as per folder structure in the .zip file.

http://i.imgur.com/y7EqrC6.jpg

Great! I'll give this a try :)

Many thanks!

Edited by Beale

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Altair / LEM don't interest me so much (+ there are already very good examples of these craft out there! ).

But, we cannot exclude the USA, how about a MEV?

A real shame :( There are indeed Altairs out there, but I don't think I've seen one in an aesthetic that matches yours. Not too into the MEV, kinda looks silly to me.

Just my opinion though! Im sure, should you release it, I could find use for the parts

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That Luna 9 looks interesting.

If the part had a built-in transmitter, and the "panels" opened as "deploy antenna" to transmit, that could be interesting :)

I'll dig up the LK-700 files and see if I can post a few pics this evening or over the weekend.

I'd be more than happy to pass my files off to someone else better at modeling capsules for them to attach the hatch/ladder and/or other finishing touches (the windows dont have lights in them for example, it's a pretty basic part).

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A real shame :( There are indeed Altairs out there, but I don't think I've seen one in an aesthetic that matches yours. Not too into the MEV, kinda looks silly to me.

Just my opinion though! Im sure, should you release it, I could find use for the parts

In general any of the STS / constellation stuff I don't have any love for.

The MEV I find very pretty, but faces mostly same problems as the Gemini (I.E. keeping the profile without having combined engine / decouplers).

There's also the problem that it would be huge (maybe 5+ metres) and without a launch vehicle.

That Luna 9 looks interesting.

If the part had a built-in transmitter, and the "panels" opened as "deploy antenna" to transmit, that could be interesting :)

I'll dig up the LK-700 files and see if I can post a few pics this evening or over the weekend.

I'd be more than happy to pass my files off to someone else better at modeling capsules for them to attach the hatch/ladder and/or other finishing touches (the windows dont have lights in them for example, it's a pretty basic part).

Yep, there will be folding antennas also :)

d3b3d0cb6c.jpg

This is just the landing segment, the whole Luna 9 bus may have to wait a little while longer.

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OMG! YES!!! I was a little disappointed when you said no Altair, but we have CHAKA and SSTU! No mod has ever gotten a MEM (Mars Excursion Module)!!! That looks amazing!!!

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How many kerbals would it hold?

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NVM: 4 kerbals is good.

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I'll toss my hat in the ring in favour of the MEV as well. I'm a sucker for intriguing machines that never made it off the drawing board.

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I'd love to see a stock alike one with or without an IVA, it'd look amazing. Though would you have to make a Mars Transfer Vehicle?

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The MEM (It's a MEM, not MEV) would be nice, but it would need a Saturn V and AJ-260 strapons for the Saturn to go with it.

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Filter Extension config and icons for Tantares & Tantares-LV.

Maybe this was posted before, but the thread is way too long...

-> Download <-

Install as per folder structure in the .zip file.

http://i.imgur.com/y7EqrC6.jpg

Looks awesome, does this put the Tantares parts in their own categories and stock where they normally are, and remove Tantares parts from the stock categories? Or is it by manufacturer? Can't see the picture right now, at school. :huh:

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That Luna 9 looks interesting.

If the part had a built-in transmitter, and the "panels" opened as "deploy antenna" to transmit, that could be interesting :)

I'll dig up the LK-700 files and see if I can post a few pics this evening or over the weekend.

I'd be more than happy to pass my files off to someone else better at modeling capsules for them to attach the hatch/ladder and/or other finishing touches (the windows dont have lights in them for example, it's a pretty basic part).

I can take a look at it once I'm off work in 4-5 hours. I can't garentee I'd have time to do improve the texture but I can breeze through the unity config no problem.

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The atmospheric lander is very popular it seems :)

Here's the Luna also, there is still a lot of detail to add, but I think it is a nice basis here!

The edges of the doors for sure need work.

6jUT6vo.png

EXFl4hw.png

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The atmospheric lander is very popular it seems :)

Here's the Luna also, there is still a lot of detail to add, but I think it is a nice basis here!

The edges of the doors for sure need work.

http://i.imgur.com/6jUT6vo.png

http://i.imgur.com/EXFl4hw.png

Love That luna 5/ mars 3 lander beale! speaking of this thing can you MAYBE add a little prop M like rover to deploy? other than that awesome model as always. [i know a prop M may be difficult with seizing so don't feel bad if it may be hard]

Edited by Noah_Blade

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