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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember anything like that in the API. What do you call "gimballed force extent" of CoT. What is the exact amount of "extent" and how is it calculated. And, finally, what meaning and practical use do you prescribe to it? Keep configurations like ... ... in mind.
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J-20 Fighter stable or unstable canard airframe?
Boris-Barboris replied to AeroGav's topic in Science & Spaceflight
Now we: a). agree b). both see, that mr.Raymer's interpretation is either oversimplified, or thorn out of context without expansion on his meaning of "overshoot". -
J-20 Fighter stable or unstable canard airframe?
Boris-Barboris replied to AeroGav's topic in Science & Spaceflight
You never quoted his definition of static or dynamic stability, only his "concept of stability". You then proceeded to expand on concepts of static and dynamic stability, and I didn't like your interpretation of dynamic one, I think you missed the point, that's why I expanded both conceps further. There is not a single definition in this thread. Read the whole line please. -
J-20 Fighter stable or unstable canard airframe?
Boris-Barboris replied to AeroGav's topic in Science & Spaceflight
Not really. Static stability is stability of the airframe on rails, pivoted through it's center of mass. It's easily evaluated in the wind tube. In linear models it's responsible for so-called "short-period mode" wobble. It's a property of a small part of the flight model. Useful and important, but partial. Dynamic one is property of the whole model, when it's actually imitating disturbance from equilibrium during flight. Something something "phugoid mode" for linear models, yada yada, wich appears when actual 2\3D motion and lift comes into play. There's nothing wrong with the overshoot. I don't see the point of including pilot or control system in the plane concept and discussing it's stability. Of course it's stable, it wouldn't fly otherwise. From the very beginning we discussed airframes. -
J-20 Fighter stable or unstable canard airframe?
Boris-Barboris replied to AeroGav's topic in Science & Spaceflight
Problem of delta wing itself. On different designs: i'm pretty sure the balancing itself is the same for all modern fighters - as close to neutral as possible, but preferably stable. Every big player is already experienced enough to build reliable control systems. Wing plan however is closely related to tradition, existing industry and tactical requirements, imo. Yeah, looks like we just speak in different terms. -
J-20 Fighter stable or unstable canard airframe?
Boris-Barboris replied to AeroGav's topic in Science & Spaceflight
You can perfectly make a flip-happy stable airframe. Faster to reach certain AoA? Yes. To reach and not exceed it? No, not really. Why would unstable airframe be less draggy than a stable one? Why would making an airframe unstable increase authority of it's control surfaces? Yes, but if you make that strong correcting moment very weak, you make abovementioned "advantages" of unstable design moot, while still being stable. Just because the craft is hard or impossible to fly manually doesn't mean it's unstable. If your airframe takes 1000 years to return back to prograde after small AoA perturbation, it's still stable. That's the only point I can stand besides. And it always implies, that the designers just coudn't find a stable way. I do not state that there was a stable way for each of those cases (let's assume F-16 is actually statically unstable when subsonic, though the sources are mostly unofficial), but I also doubt anyone can prove that there wasn't. Neutral airframe does all of this better. Not really, I just need to find someone who will point me to the exact research paper. -
J-20 Fighter stable or unstable canard airframe?
Boris-Barboris replied to AeroGav's topic in Science & Spaceflight
how so? -
J-20 Fighter stable or unstable canard airframe?
Boris-Barboris replied to AeroGav's topic in Science & Spaceflight
Let's go on with this one, it's good enough for static. In all my posts above, and in this post, when I say stable\unstable\neutral, I mean it's static flavor. Now hear out my point: There is no reason to intentionally make airframe statically unstable for the sake of it. There may be airplanes out there that are st.unstable, but I do believe their designers would gladly make them neutral if they could. For example, I did read unofficial reports of people saying F-16 being st.unstable on subsonic, because they were forced to do it to keep supersonic performance in certain margin. If they could find the way to keep supersonic performance at bay while making subsonic phase neutral, the plane would perform generally better. Instability is a necessity, not a goal, because it brings larger risk with it and bears no reward in itself. Unstable craft is not more maneuverable than a neutral one. It has worse sustained turn rate. It has the same or worse aiming time (let's say you fly with stable pitch 0 and need to have stable pitch 10 deg. as soon as possible). It's even more risky than a neutral one. The only thing it can actually do better is to flip as fast as possible, and the place for such maneuver in modern doctrines is hard to be seen. This maneuver tears the plane to pieces or kills the pilot on high speeds, and on low speeds TVC is, imo, much more important. -
J-20 Fighter stable or unstable canard airframe?
Boris-Barboris replied to AeroGav's topic in Science & Spaceflight
Define unstable and maneuverable please, so we can discuss things on common ground. -
J-20 Fighter stable or unstable canard airframe?
Boris-Barboris replied to AeroGav's topic in Science & Spaceflight
The only reason I can think of is trans\supersonic shenanigans, in case designers have to optimise the regime (maybe to compensate for mach tuck, idk) so hard they are forced to make the design unstable on other regimes, but I have a feeling this problem was solved without making such drastic sacrifices. -
J-20 Fighter stable or unstable canard airframe?
Boris-Barboris replied to AeroGav's topic in Science & Spaceflight
note the difference When you cross the point where you become statically unstable, there is nothing more to gain. Statically neutral airframe has the best L/D among it's slightly altered towards stable\unstable configuration siblings. -
J-20 Fighter stable or unstable canard airframe?
Boris-Barboris replied to AeroGav's topic in Science & Spaceflight
There is nothing to gain from doing so, therefore I doubt that is the case. "inherently unstable" sounds like a buzzword. -
https://bugs.kerbalspaceprogram.com/issues/15787 всё оказалось довольно банально, большинство термов в фильтре - просто некорректные грамматические конструкции
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Such a horrible tease to proclaim the problem fixed without faulty examples. Does anyone have a bug report or some other leads? upd: https://bugs.kerbalspaceprogram.com/issues/15787 [snip] A rather liberal filter, to say the least.
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Official FAR Craft Repository
Boris-Barboris replied to tetryds's topic in KSP1 The Spacecraft Exchange
If anyone has the same problem: no, FBW does not do this. There is a "level snap" that snaps wings to level when your roll is very small, like a degree or so, but nothing more. Usual suspect: FAR wing leveler you somehow activated previously. -
Aircraft woes. Control issues.
Boris-Barboris replied to LN400's topic in KSP1 Gameplay Questions and Tutorials
Stock aero has no stall per se. edit: it's not rapid, surfaces just smoothly loose lift with increased AoA. Not fast enough to make your canard weak and kick the plane back to prograde. -
[1.8.0-1.12.5] AtmosphereAutopilot 1.6.1
Boris-Barboris replied to Boris-Barboris's topic in KSP1 Mod Releases
Should be fine, but i didn't check. -
[1.8.0-1.12.5] AtmosphereAutopilot 1.6.1
Boris-Barboris replied to Boris-Barboris's topic in KSP1 Mod Releases
Such AOA is good. Optimal as a word has another meaning. It means you have a mathematical function at hand and you are ready to prove that that function under behaviour you propose is minimal (maximal), and you have a proof that no behavour better exists. Those are very, very tough implications. All I'm saying: you don't need to enter a number numerically in the field, because the orientation you strapped with keyboard keys in FbW mode is just as good enough, as that magic number you would enter in the textbox (Though there are people on this forum, who have physical problems with frequent tapping and prefer mouse input, which can be provided easily with textbox and +- buttons). -
[1.8.0-1.12.5] AtmosphereAutopilot 1.6.1
Boris-Barboris replied to Boris-Barboris's topic in KSP1 Mod Releases
I understand what you mean, but you should avoid this word like wildfire. -
[1.8.0-1.12.5] AtmosphereAutopilot 1.6.1
Boris-Barboris replied to Boris-Barboris's topic in KSP1 Mod Releases
I'm not up for the task, sorry. AA needs an active dev. -
[1.8.0-1.12.5] AtmosphereAutopilot 1.6.1
Boris-Barboris replied to Boris-Barboris's topic in KSP1 Mod Releases
@Greystripe3 maybe setting 'Course' mode or something might help? On older versions (before 1.5.10) you also need to make sure the SAS is off.