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I heard it from the other forum, but after slogging through ten pages, I couldn't find it. I think @RoverDude confirmed it. Noted and changed. I've heard at least two other moderators say similar things, though, so I'll downgrade it a bit.
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Somebody made an opsie.
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Wow! I just read this edit, and I just started laughing and couldn't stop. Whatever your opinion, you have a hilarious sense of humor!
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My older sister's birthday is precisely one day after the release date!
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@RoverDude, I fully sympathize with your position. I've been in your spot before, and it's no fun. That's why I listed that as a rumor, because I watched doomsday advocates get carried away, and when you tried to politely restrain them and point out that they don't really know what's going on, they tore you down, called you a bribed traitor, and worse. I want you to know, that no matter what, I do not believe the rumor that you are lying. Changed.
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That's fine! People are gonna do that if something they don't like happens.
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First, lol!!!! Second, You can ignore it, you know. And I was very careful about what I posted. What did I miss? Also, I'm not asking for details, that I know. Anyway, I don't want to debate this. You are welcome to your opinion.
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True words. That's why I posted this, to differentiate between fact and legend, and to dampen speculation. Perhaps could you have mentioned this on the original thread? Then maybe you could have nipped rumor in the bud.
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Please do read my post and tell me what I list as facts that we don't know for sure. I would love to hear that!
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You are only allowed to give 25 likes a day. You cannot give any more likes today. Somebody should add more. #cliche
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Noted!
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You'd rather be confused? I think it's best to alleviate confusion and nip harmful rumors in the bud.
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So here, I attempted to separate fact from rumor in this sticky situation. Please read it, and tell me if I got anything wrong, or if you have a fact or a rumor you heard that I didn't cover. I think it's time we figure out what's really going on here.
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So, recently, on the KSP forums and Reddit, there has been considerable kerfuffle over a post that 8 developers made stating that they are leaving the KSP dev team. Many rumors and opinions have been tossed around, but not many know the facts. In this thread, I will attempt to separate fact from fiction (oh gosh that's gonna be hard) and hopefully people will comment on what they see the facts as. This is in approximately chronological order. I am defining facts as something I have seen happen myself, or saw pretty darn conclusive evidence for. I call things 'authoritative rumors' if I saw a lot of people agreeing, but no solid evidence either way, or evidence on both sides. It's a rumor if some agree, and some don't, but neither side has conclusive evidence. I think it's high time we got to the bottom of this in a civilized manner. Fact: 8 developers of KSP posted an announcement on Reddit on Tuesday, October 4th, 2016, announcing that each of them was leaving the dev team. Fact: Their names were: Mu, Taniwha, NathanKell, Sarbian, Romfarer, Arsonide, Porkjet, and Claw. Fact: They spoke highly of the development team they were with. Fact: They did not explicitly state a reason for departure. Fact: They did not mention working conditions as a reason. Fact: Some of the Devs who left had been working on KSP for a long time. Fact: Some of the Devs who left were relatively new hires. Fact: 1.3 is confirmed, there are already Devs working on it. Fact: Squad has been looking for new Devs since June, new people are coming in. Fact: RoverDude (or any other team member) was not forced to make any comment about this topic. Authoritative Rumor: It has recently been posited that the team actually grew in comparison to the beginning of the year, even after these departures. Highly Authoritative Rumor: It was stated by a few staff members that each had left at different times, they just announced it all at once. Rumor: It is alleged that these developers left because of poor working conditions, low pay, and long hours. Rumor: It has been theorized that the developers were merely contractors, and left because their contracts expired. Disputed Fact: Very few of these developers, if any, work or live anywhere near SQUAD headquarters in Mexico City, Mexico. Authoritative Rumor: Many people claim that SQUAD has often required 12+ hour workdays from the devs. No proof was offered, though. Fact: The post was on Reddit, not the KSP forums. Rumor: It has been rumored that SQUAD has been actively deleting comments on this topic. Fact: Several moderators have said they would resign if asked to delete posts for reasons other than rule violations. Rumor: It has also been said that the reason the original post was on Reddit was due to the fact that the forums are under SQUAD control, and Reddit is not. Fact: The KSP forums are controlled by SQUAD. Reddit is not. Fact: SQUAD, in the rules, reserved the right to delete any posts they deem necessary, without prior notice. Fact: It has been stated by a few forum moderators that they had nothing to do with the alleged deletions. Fact: SQUAD released a hype dev note on the official release date of 1.2 very soon after the announcement. Rumor: Some speculated that this post was an attempt to draw attention away from the viral departure of the devs. Fact. The departure of the Devs remains viral, regardless of whether or not SQUAD intended to draw attention away from it. Fact: Later, SQUAD posted on the forums, confirming the departure of the Devs, thanking them for their hard work and wishing them luck in their new endeavors. Fact: An anonymous person posted on Reddit, confirmed that the 8 developers left because of unreasonable demands, unbelievable working conditions, and terrible upper management. He claimed that Felipe (Harvester) left not because he was tired of KSP, but because he was tired of SQUAD. He also claimed that SQUAD was actively censoring the forums from any mention of the above. Rumor: He asserted that RoverDude's work would be released as a separate mod. Rumor: He claimed that SQUAD was introducing paid DLCs as a part of the game. Rumor: From this, many people believed that he asserted that RoverDude's work would become a paid DLC. Fact: RoverDude, a recently hired KSP developer and former modder, posted, strenuously disagreeing with this theory that SQUAD is mistreating their workers, and claiming that his own good experience meant that it was not true. Rumor: Many accused RoverDude of being SQUADs puppet. Fact: RoverDude said that he owned the IP for his stuff, and he would never allow it to be offered as a paid feature. Authoritative Rumor: It surfaced that apparently the new Devs who had only recently joined were apparently enthusiastic about developing KSP. Trend: Enthusiasts do not tend to leave the development of something they are enthusiastic about mere weeks after joining it without good reason. Fact: Many reasons can lead to any employee leaving any given job. Fact: An old employee of SQUAD, who left under negative circumstances, posted on Reddit, flaming SQUAD for bad working conditions, censorship of workers, lying and covering up the Devs departure, and low pay. He also implied that SQUAD would attempt retribution on his career for badmouthing them. Fact: He presented no evidence of this, except personal experience. Authoritative Rumor: General consensus seems to be that his perspective is based on outdated information. Fact: He did retire a long time ago. Fact: He retired under negative circumstances. Authoritative Rumor: Many claimed that the negative circumstances under which he left are much the same as those he complained about in this post. Authoritative Rumor: Several forum members believe that this former employee is the same as the anonymous user above who flamed the Devs with very serious accusations. Authoritative Rumor: The above forum members believe that this employee's bitterness is motivating him to spread these harmful rumors. Rumor: It was alleged that SQUAD promised these eight Devs something, then reneged. Fact: SQUAD posted a reply on Reddit, claiming that everything was just fine, and that SQUAD would no longer respond to badmouthing. Fact: SQUAD guaranteed that KSP development will continue. Rumor: Many have speculated on the number of developers there are, claiming, overall, between two and six developers working on KSP. Authoritative Rumor: A SQUAD staff member said that from the remaining 6 Devs, 2 were working part time on KSP. Authoritative Rumor: It was recently claimed that SQUAD had other developers not listed on the forums. Fact: The staff tab list only lists those SQUAD employees who have a forum account. Rumor: The fact that developers need to be fluent in Spanish has been posited as the reason for the exodus. Fact: No developer who left, as far as we know, except Sarbian, have posted anywhere for a few weeks to a month after the incident, although all were online at one point or another in that time since said incident. Fact: Sarbian posted a new version of MechJeb very soon after the departure. Rumor: It has been suggested that the reason for the devs' silence is due to NDAs signed with SQUAD. Rumor: It has been suggested that the Devs who left were merely offered better jobs elsewhere. Fact: Features like multiplayer have previously been guaranteed in future versions. Fact: These are not added to the stock game, although they are mods. Rumor: It is rumored that these features are no longer planned. Rumor: It is rumored that 1.2 will be the final, authoritative version released. Rumor: Many speculated that KSP would no longer be developed in the 1.x direction, but in the 2.0 direction. Fact: People have the right to ask 'why' about the developers leaving. Fact: SQUAD has the right to withhold any answer. Fact: SQUAD has not withheld an answer, they provided a clear answer. Trend: The sequence of events leading up to the announcement do not seem to match those of a well coordinated information release. Fact: SQUAD issued official confirmation that 1.3 is in fact in the works. Fact: Each developer negotiated their own compensation. Fact: They negotiated the hours they were willing to commit to the work. Fact: On numerous occasions, they were told to rest, to not work weekends, to take it easy, and told that certain timeframes were adjustable. Authoritative Rumor: It has been stated that there were regular enquiries made to make sure that developers were happy, not burnt out, asked if there was anything the business could provide that they needed, etc. - in other words, a pretty genuine concern for the welfare of the team. Overall, it seems that the developers' departure is ambiguous as far as statements towards its cause. If nobody makes an effort to debunk rumors, the discussion could get out of hand, hence my post attempting to discern between fact and rumor. DISCLAIMER, PLEASE NOTE: I do not, under any circumstances, represent SQUAD or anyone else besides myself. I'm just one guy trying to make sense of an extremely sticky situation. In fact, I have it on good authority that some of the things I listed as facts are not true, the person just could not elaborate on what information was in error. So please take this post with a grain of salt, understanding that I have an external perspective. If you have any errors you see, and can tell me about, then please do tell me, since the aim of this thread is to debunk lies with facts.
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Dang. Out of likes already. Internet cookies come in good and bad varieties.
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And of course, while I was typing my response, five other people said practically the same thing... Story of my life.
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Heck, no. More like RIP KSP development. I'll still be playing KSP, and the fact that the game won't change much, if at all, will allow extensive modding, and also current mods to add more cool stuff. But it is sad. Wasn't that like 80% of the dev team?
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Okay. I feel pretty relaxed right now, so yeah. But, you are right, emotions are too high in this debate, so I'll be mostly withdrawing after saying this. @regex perhaps you are right. Perhaps I'm still just looking for some reason to have faith in SQUAD. In that case, I realize purely how arbitrary the forum is, and that we cannot expect SQUAD to respect the rights that are often taken for granted. This is saddening. But I suppose you are right. I guess I was just still trying to have faith in SQUAD. Yes, you did. I remember thinking, "nah, that can't be true" at the time. Boy was I ever wrong!
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I think passions are getting out of hand here. First, SQUAD wrote those rules. Second, because they wrote them doesn't mean they get to break them. This kind of discussion dates back to the whole debate of whether or not kings were above the law. The conclusion in civilized society was that they were not. From rule 1.5: "While we do allow dissenting opinions and encourage healthy and constructive debates, please remember to follow the rules and present them in a manner of suitable taste and respect. In other words, you don't go to your friend's house and start smashing their windows, so don't do something as equally offensive in ours." They claim to allow free speech, yet here they are limiting it.
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One word answers, huh? in that case... Elaborate? Please come back once you've read the forum rules.
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First, funny! My rockets have been known to do a somersault and then continue to orbit. Second, how is this nothing? Could you elaborate? If it's silly, feel free to laugh. But the moderators are the ones who promised to uphold the forum rules. What this means is that there might be an account that has moderator privileges but has not promised to use power responsibly. As far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong, the people listed as 'SQUAD staff' on the forums are counted as high level moderators, and also swore to use their power responsibly. Technically, yes, but they promised so much more. The forums are supposed to have freedom of speech, within reason. This negates all that. Also, as I mentioned above, if no moderator did it, it basically means we suddenly have a very powerful user who also has no restrictions. How is that not frightening? SQUAD set the rules for this forum, and suddenly, they don't follow those rules. Down that path is chaos and anarchy. If no moderator did it, then who did? If a non-moderator did it, then we have a serious problem, mate. Am I wrong?
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Today, I haven't done anything yet. Yesterday, I spent my time on perfecting a long range, orbit capable missile defense system capable of landing ten fully functional rocket launcher turrets anywhere on the planet. We'll see if I can make it interplanetary capable later.
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Ok, cool. This makes me wonder how they got deleted now. I will believe you. I just wonder now why and how other posts were deleted, if no moderators touched it. Ideas? All I can say is, I smell a rat, and I don't like it. I thought only the moderators could delete posts. The thought that others can delete posts as well is, frankly, frightening. Can anyone help me figure out what's going on here?
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I wholeheartedly wish I could agree. I know the moderators are unpaid, and I fondly remember the days when I liked SQUAD, and trusted the forum moderators.... Sadly, things have changed, and I can no longer say that. Although I personally trust @Red Iron Crown and a few others on the mod team, in general, I can't truthfully say that I trust the mod team to be un-biased. The fact that I saw posts about it get deleted several times, until one got too prominent to silence quietly, didn't help. Then SQUAD posted a 1.2 hype post, almost as if hoping to generate more hype about 1.2, and overshadow the fact that the dev team was leaving because of bad working conditions. But it seems that once they saw that no amount of hype would distract from this problem, they finally released a hollow-sounding reply and thank you note to the departing devs. The note itself didn't sound hollow, it didn't need to. The timing speaks more than SQUAD could ever say. I truly love KSP. I only wish I could say the same of the company that made it. The hype train has ground to a stop. There are those of us who heard the brakes squealing a long time ago. Some only noticed the deceleration that came later on. Some, like me, wanted to believe the hype train was just getting started. I believed the game had a huge future ahead of it. Then, the stop took those of us who believed, or wanted to believe it, by surprise. Come to realize, it shouldn't have surprised anyone. Every day, companies pass up genuinely good business ideas for flashier and less high quality and less profitable ones. It's sad, but true. This was coming a long time ago.
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That'd be sinking....
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