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yes, By probably Hundreds (I don't honestly know, this is more TJ's bailiwick) of man hours. I do know that the Thermo properties of the Shuttle Tank are not quite up to Saturn S-IVB standards for conductivity. It is close... but even with the greater separation between LOx and LH2 there is still more cross liquid heat transfer. Again TJ would know better than I I am considering trying an FOIA request for the pertinent pre 1960 and pre and post Silverstein configuration documents for the C-2 and the C-3. It will be my first FOIA request believe it or not. Goal is to find the actual Conceptual Engineer documents so we can get accurate info on all of the important bits that make up a rocket. What little remains on NTRS is shadows, and smoked mirrors Pretty sure it is SOFI-stretched S-IVB. But don't take my word for it. *Loads Github Desktop* Sticking with my guess above

So didn't get a chance to update last night, but today, a rare day when I get to go home for Lunch. MORE SCREEN TAX! Saturn IE-5 Stretched 1st and 2nd stage... full Lunar CSM (for mass not for any other reason) and most importantly a WORKING SIM bay on the CSM! Deleting OldParts out of GameData/BluedogDB/ is very VERY important! Launch shot and Station Update: Welp 30 minutes already! Back to work *work work work*

in game, no. And normal one would be better than SOFI as it was a "perfect Balsa" insulation.

No it isn't CURSED! That is a 5x UA-1208 Saturn II INT-18... with a BIG payload?!?! Only has a moderate first stage stretch and for some reason I am not getting the lengths for S-IVB but I got sofi so no complaints for this launch! And ERRRRRRREET! I screwed up and launched the wrong part first! Titan V LH2 (aka Titan LDC) Powered by 5x2 RL20P3s... the upper stage engine mount is not RL20 VAC compliant for 2 engine installs (I did not check but assume it is the same for XLR-129) Back to our previously flying Flight: And next, a Daytime launch (Woo Hoo!) Titan V CH4 with @EStreetRockets STBE ( you should all have this for your Titan V LDC needs!) And Current State of the new Skylab derived ISS: EDIT PS: The only BDB docking ports I am not using are the Agena Female port and the APAS75 ports from BDB. The C-100 fills the APAS75 needs and is non gendered

You guys keep playing with your smol block V stuff (I haven't had a chance to DL it yet since I am doing....) BIGGER: BETTER: Your new ISS Core (And playing with Zorg's new CADS docking ports!) I haven't decided if I am going to make the Russian Segment vertically below the Skylab or use an extension out the back to mate with the Fork N Ring port for the Russian Segment. But the US/International segments are all planned out. *EDITED* An IN VAB view of my planned International/US segments:

except none of it is classified. It WAS classified. Then it wasn't. 20+ years after declassification, it was considered a Munition. By definition a Munition is a weapon of war. So the History of the Saturn Space program is automatically a weapon of War. If Kerbal Space Program had been made in the US (by a US company) *IT* would have likely fallen under the "It's a Munition" category. Seem right to you? That is how pervasive this is. "This game deals with rockets... Rockets are Ballistic missiles... this game is a weapon of war" I don't want to get into this further here as it isn't the right venue. Instead I will just say, it is very hard to find data on the Saturn C-2, C-3 as well as the earlier Saturn A and B series because of this. While I get the A and B series (they were after all Titan and Atlas missiles on top of good old ABMA Cluster... The C series was not, and was, by design, NOT part of the Ballistic missile system (except for using the tooling to make the tanks for Cluster.

Thank you kindly! Getting sick of reports that have nothing to do with weapons being classified as weapons. Then again, I used to mod/support a Video Game that was classified as "Munitions" as well so SHRUG

Hum, Looks like a derivative/predecessor to the XLR81 from the Agena. Is that report available on the net anywhere?

Correct, What engines in the S-II stage (I am guessing RL20?) Also what kind of payload/did you offload any fuel for more payload? Sorry haven't built this one with the new parts yet

Too true. and yes fake Soviet that is a Single Stage Atlas (lets call it an Atlas B booster ) Cause Bob said not too? Good needed a 5th engine and thanks for pre-empting me on that

It has a lot of problems but yeah, It is light years better than just about every other rocket in movies up to that point.

I take it you have never seen the old James Bond Movie, You Only Live Twice? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Only_Live_Twice_(film) That is basically right out of the movie... except it was a Japanese industrialist with Ties to Spectre and not NASA. Ignore the CCCP on some of the shots. It was subterfuge

good news it appears to only affect the heat-shield at-least

There were 4(?) designs for the C-2 that I am semi-aware of. Most are known only by TEXT descriptions (no drawing exists.) The OG C-2 was the S-I JunoV stage plus the S-III stage, S-IV(4 engine 20 inch smaller diameter) Payload on top. Then there was the C-2 payload carrier which had a slightly bigger S-III stage and the full up 4(6 in actuality) engine S-IV (the as built diameter and size). This is the one we all "know about" with S-III. Then there was the Substitution of the S-II for the 4 engine S-II, which only makes sense if the JunoV stage (S-I) is E-1 powered as the E-1s had growth potential and the H-1s really didn't. Really it is the cancellation of the E-1 that doomed Saturn C-2, more than anything else. Lastly, there is the fanciful C-2 with the long S-II stage powered by H-1s. It could carry a tiny payload into a HIGH orbit. So if you needed say a 1000lb payload at 8000km orbit, this one would do that (fictitious numbers to give you an idea of what it could do)

****WHICH**** Saturn C are you looking for. C-1 and C-2are buildable and Mostly buildable (for the PRE 1960 C-2) The Pre 1960 C-2 just needs a double J-2 Engine mount (I typically Use the ETS S-IVB mount for this with the old parts) If you are looking for Post 1960 but pre Silverstein C-2 it is harder.... Same is true of the C-3. C-4 is mostly buildable right now as well. (well atleast the S-IC-4 stage is buildable!)

OPINION: The only way Saturn C-8 makes sense is if there is an actual Nova Parts pack as several Nova Rockets used similar diameters (or larger) than the Saturn C-8. Who, not already on the BDB team, wants to volunteer to build that? FACT: There is not enough HARD design work on the C-8 or the Nova rockets for most artists to be willing to take much of a stab at them. If you were to somehow get 10 artists of the caliber of Cobalt, Zorg, InvaderChaos, Estreet, Beale, Nertea etc to all do the exact same Nova Rocket, none would look like any of the others except in general outline. If you took the same crew and said "Make Saturn V" They would all be broadly identical with only nuance and minor amounts of difference between them. Why? Because much of the detail that we love in mods like BDB comes from actual design drawings, not the artists imagination. These amazing and wonderful artists spend all their efforts in getting the models right. Utilizing a drawing, a picture or even a toy to get the information correct is a completely different process than magically guessing what it should look like and having it be right. Mind you convincing that many artists to all make the same thing for KSP would be rather wasteful. ALSO: THANKS to everyone jumping on the Saturn C-8 is Not a Nova

HA! I didn't even notice. I had issues the previous itteration of the update with ZERO effects. Now I have no waterfall effects and the Old school partical stuff... will look at fixing that ASAP! naw don't fret over it. You have the exact edition my source mentions. Yet again a source cite that has nothing to do with the source or the cited materials

Hmm. Love with sources cite X Y or Z and then when you get X Y or Z nothing is there.... any info on Titan? The Rocketdyne S-4 was the 2nd stage engine for Titan I as an alternative to the LR91 (E-1 first stage S-4 2nd stage)

Basic Saturn I and Saturn V with SOME INT/MLV and a little of the ETS stuff + Saturn ID I think that is everything currently

yes Please. AS the S-4 evolved into the LR105

Bob the Builder? Frank Lloyd Wright? the suspense is killing me OHH Maybe just MAYBE it is an old Janes AWA

Just submitted a Pull request to remove most of my Pafftek files in the Extras folder. They were all obsolete (Titan, Saturn etc) Some parts (The J-2T-400K and H-2) will remain. But things like HG-3 will be gone once the PR is activated and accepted by the Dev team. Just wanted to give everyone fair warning before the next update

Sorry I didn't catch this earlier. Both Thor and Atlas used the same Vernier... in both cases they are LR101s. The LR105 is the S-4 sustainer on the Atlas

My very Rare lately screenshot tax. Got all my required tasking done early today (yay!) Rocket: Saturn II INT-18-5xSMRU3-Skylab yes that is a mouthful Stages: 0- 5x SMRU-3Segment 1- MS-IIA with 5x J-2T-400K (in the BDB extras folder) 2- MS-IVB with 1x J-2T-400K Payload: Skylab+ Unfortunately, as the eagle eyed players will notice. I will need to launch this rocket.... AGAIN. I made a mistake and did not have HABTECH2 installed and thus have the wrong dockingport onboard

Some notes for the Future FAQ update @Friznit 1) Saturn VFB solar array. PUT ON AN ACTION GROUP. As you unfold one pannel, it covers the next and you have to zoom in real close and be lucky with your clicks to get a hidden panel open if you do it manually! 2) Saturn S-ID Brake Fins. Have TWO SEPARATE Air Brakes. Make certain you include both of them if you are using Action groups (other than the BRAKE GROUP) to activate. I used the S-ID in a Saturn MLV-VFB booster with the 6 F-1 first stage... it began spnning as soon as it hit atmosphere as only half of the air brakes were deployed