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S-ID is one of a myriad of proposals for alternatives to the Space Shuttle It is a Stage and a Half S-IC (the center engine is the sustainer engine and the outer 4 engines and their mounting hardware and structures all drop away like the Atlas Booster skirt. It is NOT part of the Saturn MLV programs... it comes after that. (1968 vs 1971 or 2 I think) This is a good kitbash of existing parts to make the S-1D. Should give you some idea.

Hmmmm Someone is a real MAC user..... not one of the modern fake-Mac users (REAL MACs run on MOTOROLA PROCESSORS! I am KIDDING!!! Smile and be happy ) The MAC bowling ball with the frowny face because you didn't insert the OS-6.03 3.5" Boot diskette (the old macs were either color or B&W and had a 9.5" almost square (it wasn't 4:3) CRT screen. With a big handle behind them... and a potential add on of a hard drive or a 2nd floppy drive as a module the footprint of the computer below it (the computer and monitor being one single unit.) The Computers were somewhat insultingly/affectionately called Bowling balls and my school, the year of my graduation had to "scrap" 38 Mac SEs with 30mb (yes megabyte) Hard drives. Last day of school we took them out to the parking lot, and literally went bowling with them.... got 2 or 3 throws per unit before it broke into pieces..... FUN Ok Kidding aside (and PLEASE no one take my chain yanking seriously.... I am old school and OS6 was the last good Mac OS in my opinion... then again MS DOS 6.2 for my IBM compatible .) The IVA work is top notch. although I am curious why the camera is a Kikon instead of Kinon... or a Kannon (totally getting subbing K for C is the same spelling but now in German) Beale thank you for donating your time to this it looks AWESOME! Zorg thanks for making polishing this into the parts (I believe that is what you have done with Beal's work)

You are Awesome Birdog!

That is actually part of the same proposal set so same thing?

I have mentioned it a few times in the past. Thanks to ETS (a great story if you haven't read it by the by) we have two S-IVC stages. the NASA real proposal, as part of the Eros Flyby Vehicle and it would latter merge back into MLV as a light-weight alternative to the MS-IVB-1A or -3. Can I suggest that the ETS Parts be designated ES-x eg I have the ES-IVC listed below... instead of S-x for legacy Saturn parts or MS-x for the INT/MLV family (and yes I think all the INT family of parts should be designated MS-x where MS-IB-11 is the INT-11 S-IB stage. MS-IVB-4(S)B 4.25 11.47 Basic Redesign of base S-IVB for strenght (heavier) MS-IVB-1A 4.25 14.67 MS-IVB-3 4.25 14.67 S-IVC 4.25 14.7 <--- NOT the ETS S-IVC but the actually Designed one (SingleJ-2) MS-IVB-2 4.25 14.87 ES-IVC 4.25 x ETS S-IVC

Thanks. I buy Reference books but I will hope someone has access to it and can just post any S-4 engine data they find (pictures nice.) I don't want to shell 60 for a book that will likely remain on my shelf after the fact.

The engine looks SWEET! Can't wait till I fly it.... Which sadly won't be for a while given the project I have undertaken... RE S-4, It never left the drawing board. Atleast Battleship bells and functioning combustion chambers were made for the E-1. The biggest source for it is : http://www.astronautix.com/s/s-4engine.html There is a potential that an old Janes All the Worlds Aircraft from the early 1960s would have more.... But I don't have access to anything older than 1974 OR newer than 1954 That 20 year span there are none in any reference libraries in my area. Two different Wiki groups list Janes AtwA 1964 if anyone out there has that year (or the year before or after maybe....) Also, Looks like Rocketdyne intended the S-4 to be used as their "alternative" engine for a Florine powered X-15B ***SHUDDER***

The things you miss when you Unsuccessfully try to cut your finger off... and then getting Vertigo 2 days latter. The E-1 looks amazing in it's raw form Zorg. As one of the original cheerleaders begging for this engine to come to BDB I was very happy with the old model (aside from the 1.25m ring on top) The new model is a light year or more, better, and fixes the giant ring issue... So 2 E-1s in my Atlas stage and a half builds can now be a thing! I HOPE! Now all that is needed for Titan I is an S-4... which is basically a LR-105 but with a different upper atmo bell and more thrust + inline LR101s(which are in game already). I have never found any detailed drawing for it but it suposedly shares 85% commonality with the LR-105 from Atlas. I assume it is an LR-105 without the difuser and with a Rao Bell of larger expansion and braized tube wall construction. *EDIT* Hmm, now that I think about it, that almost sounds like the Bell on the existing E-1...... CUT AND PASTE! *EDIT* An E-1 / S-4 powered Titan would be cool (Please PLEASE don't think we need a new bespoke engine.) I am going to dig into my documents I used for my Titan Article and try to just come up with a good MM Patch for the LR-105 to turn it into the S-4. If I do it right, it wouldn't be an engine to use on Atlas unless you are going for light payloads.

If by Mature you mean Quality Long lasting work and continued growth? YEP! If by Mature you mean DED... Not for me to say. But given how Cobalt talks about the future on stream... I AM INFERRING no!

I can't speak to aerodynamic problems because I am not experiencing them. I would look at other mods being the culprit there. However I **CAN** speak to the SRBs since this is something I brought up years ago. It is the Decoupler that is causing them to spin out of control. It offsets the COM by an appreciable amount when the SRM has burnt out.

PEGASUS! NOICE!

Venus Flyby was in the old Saturn Parts as well (although it did not have anywhere near the detail.) I use the parts for Venus Flyby quite often for alternative space stations so I am glad they are continuing. Also an alternative to the Venus Flyby was the Eros flyby which would have involved a "Big Apollo" if you will. It WASN'T APOLLO but it was a 6 man capsule that was Apollo shaped. It did not have any relation to Apollo other than it was launched on a Saturn V Rocket and was conic in shape... by that standard Gemini and Apollo are obviously related !!!!! It is ALMOST as bad as calling a Saturn C-8 proposal NOVA (it isn't NOVA please stop calling it that! Nova is a paper Rocket AND WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE BUILT!!!!) **OK I got off the soapbox** The Eros Command Module would turn and dock with the "EFB" Module just like Apollo would turn and dock with the Venus Flyby module. The biggest differences were Eros Flyby was launched with a S-IVC stage and wetlab (yes S-IVC existed in real life even if it wasn't built. THIS IS NOT ETS!) There were 3, that I have found, proposals. A near duplicate of the Venus Flyby excepting a different docking mechanism and the longer S-IVC wetlab. To a two part "extending" structure between the S-IVC-wetlab and the EFB module... (to allow solar panel deployment,) to my favorite, a S-IVC but only with S-IVB tankage and including a much larger "Radiation Shelter." Unlike the VFB module Micrometeorite protection was in the form of a new skin coating... Other proposals were more like the Venus Flyby... one being almost a duplicate except the EFB module would be built in space and outfitted with better creature comforts. IIRC Eros Flyby was a 3.75 year mission, or about 2x as long as Venus Flyby.

Looking Great, Does this mean we are going to want to have FRMS so we can land those probes? No, this is REAL NASA stuff not ETS alt timeline stuff Although you could use the parts for an ETS game

you mean ONE of the two other Big G? Using KSP scales for the diameters... there is the 3.125ish one that is in game. (the So called MIN MOD for launch on Titan III rockets) the 3.75m Cylinder... which is not and the 4.25m Cone. The 3.125ish one and the 3.75m one would interface with a shortened SLA. The 4.25 cone would have an interestage created new in-place of the SLA. Wow you are lucky to have a copy of those documents.

I just made the pre1960 version of the Saturn C-2 with the old parts. Take the S-IVC extension tank and the twin J-2 mount... combined together with 2 new J-2 engines that is the S-III stage (or a close approximation) Stack it between your S-I/S-IB/E-1-SI stage and the S-IVB stage. Viola, enough thrust and dV to easily attain orbit. yes you end up using 2x of the S-I to S-IVB interstage but so what Curiosity question, Any chance of an update to the Gemini elevator to support SRBs up to UA-1208 in size? IE remove the side skirt below the "cabin" at the top/ make a cabin extension? That way I can use an elongated elevator to support manned launches off of latter Titans.... (no issue if it isn't in the cards!) I just like the look of it.... (looks for screenie with the setup I am using ATM...) My super-Mun flyby (JNSQ) from Sunday.

I believe Jumpseat is known to be a Hughes Aircraft "Spinning" series of satellites, hence my question about the HS-748 bus. And I realized after that post that the HS-748 is a turboprop airliner from Hawker Siddeley (BAe) I was looking for the Hughes Spacecraft 300 series (so HS-333 or so)

ABSOLUTELY AWESOME! Hughes HS-748 bus yes? Makes sense to me. And that is sort of my Headcanon as well when I play with the parts. Clipping the legs actually interfered with docking with the CM when I tried to make it fit many moons ago. So I have always either launched it with a Vega or Transtage into Munnar orbit. OR when I have Saturn Technology, I launch 2 to 4 of them on a Saturn V with a VFB module. The VFB has the same docking port as Agena meaning my Gemini capsule can dock there... It takes some janky steps to make that work but it is an interesting concept and use of the VFB module on a S-IVB to make a Moon station for shuttling landers up and down.

Thanks for the suggestion. I use NRAP as a Lawn Dart test... IE I do impact science with it as well Asssuming I don't get caught on impact mid physics update.... then it just dissapears

Too many parts and not doing a Space station so at this juncture no. Like I said, I may add in the future as need be. I have already discovered like 9 mods I *NEED* Blizzy tool bar anyone? WHOOOPS! Thanks for the offer! My last playthrough didn't work but I had "other problems" with my JNSQ playthrough and didn't want to bring it up with those other bugs hanging so this is my 2nd attempt. I am impressed by the detail you went into in the mod and hope I can get it working!

So I thought I would share my Decision about what to use for my next playthrough. So I was going to jump back to GPP and realized that it hasn't been fully supported for a while. Sticking with JNSQ for the moment... I am utilizing the following support mods for flight planning and control: MechJeb KerbalEngineer KSP Trajectory Optimization Tool I am utilizing the following Graphics Mods: Scatterer EVE-Redux TU/TUFX These are the utility mods I will be using (some are also parts mods!) NRAP variable mass test payloads Editor Extensions Tweakscale SmartParts Kerbinside remastered and requirements ModularLaunchPads SCANSat KerbalAlarm Clock Additional Parts mods (may grow) Near Future (aka Nertea mods) Solar Exploration Cryoengines KerbolAtomics Electric StationPart Expansion and Redux Restock/Restock+ Recycled Parts (Kommitz and Porkjet nukes mostly) Eisenhower Astronatuics Rocket Motor Menangarie (for CH4 Titan V launches!) That is about it for now.

So I am looking for opinions. I have just deleted every mod out of my KSP folder. I am building an entirely new Modset. Core to the Modset will be BDB (I hope that is a Duh! comment but none the less..) I am looking for suggestions on what to do. I have Played Galileo, JNSQ and never got anywhere with them. Rarely getting past Kerbin orbit. In Stock I did a full tour so I feel like I am under utilizing both Galileo and JNSQ. I have ZERO interest in any RSS play and RO is just plain OUT. What I am looking for is a play-through where I can actually play and plan flight plans like for Pioneer or Voyager missions. A Play-through where I CAN visit other planets and RETURN. I will likely make my new play-through a SCIENCE play-through. Not worried about funding. So here is my ASK. What mods should I include. I am looking at including the Mathlab Trajectory Optimization tool for the mission planning. But what are your essentials to playing such a mission? So please TELL ME what I should be including. I am hoping to have less than a 20 minute load time on my 64GB with SSD system for KSP here! I don't need any fuel patches for BDB (I already have those in a near perfected form and they MAY be rolled to the Extras Folder with the Devs permission) After all with the new Saturn Update most all of my Pafftek section in the Extras folder will become obsolete. Please feel free to share your thoughts. Excepting BDB and the TOT mod I currently have no plans for other mods unless you the members of the BDB forum give me good suggestions!

Nice Photos, RE Jupiter. The Size of Jupiter combined with it's engine was ALWAYS going to put it behind Thor. Same engine but fatter? that equals lower performance in every category except "worst aerodynamic drag". Add that the Turbopump Roll control is outside the main rocket line and you have a very draggy rocket for the engine in question. Now if a different, More potent engine had been installed, with a different type of Roll control.... It did have potential. Just not with the S3D/LR79

No, it is a matter of when KSP does it's Physics pass. If it happens RIGHT at impact it blows up no matter what. It is one of the reasons my old Titan I "seismic probe" was not ever "finished" I used it for a while but when the part it was based on was depreciated. I decided not to make my own part. In the case of the Titan I probe I had to use custom shrunk Airbrakes to have any chance of the probe surviving Orbital speed atmo interface (IE if I did a deorbit from space I had to slow the probe down to under 200m/s to get it to survive. I think I had the tolerances set to 3900m/s In publicly released parts you can see the same thing with the NRAP parts (for testing your rocket)

We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Sorry been staring at Borg Cube cards from the old Decypher ST CCG all day.... saw this and it popped into my head!