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I must be missing something, how can a tank be unbalanced? Unless your tanks have higher fuel density tank volume is tank volume. I get that if you build replica rockets you wind up with to much dV compared to the real thing. But what about completely custom built "lego" rockets? I am not saying that you should just give all the adapters fuel. I agree that if all you want is an adapter for structure than it would be helpful to have adapters that didn't have fuel and didn't have tank texture inside getting in the way. Why not have both? p.s. There are times when I really don't like text communication, it can make misunderstanding each other an annoyingly easy thing to do. (Note: I may have misunderstood something others have said)

Exactly. Use the detanked structural adapters for the historical rockets but why not have fueled adapters for the wild and crazy things you can build instead of historical rockets. I figure it adds even more variety and helps with lego type builds. Plus its nearly memory free parts, what with using existing models and textures.

Who did you find that? Please teach me oh great google-fu Master!

I will! I will!

the other option would be to add fuel to them and move them to fuel tanks... or why not both? Same model and same texture, maybe higher dry mass on the tanks than the structural adapters for balance?

So I got stuck/board with Delta for now... So I built an entirely new rocket family from scratch instead...

That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time... but srsly Tantares used to have a D2 a long time ago. It would be good to see it again.

You're not wrong. It's just that the specifics of all the multitude of variants are hard to come by. As an example, did Delta E use DM-18, DM-19 or DM-21 as the basis of its first stage? You can find the answer, it's harder to find than some but you can find it. That's just one question and every single one of those Deltas has 1-4 that have different questions like that, it's a nightmare to sort through. I'll get it though, and then I will have constructed ALL THE DELTAS IN THE WORLD MWAHAHAHA!!!

Yeah, that's probably why I can't stop making 'em...

*Growls* yeah ablestar is an almost perfect stand in for the Delta E upper stage... that flew on Delta E... and Delta F and Delta G and Delta J and Delta N..M...L.... Wernher why have you forsaken me!

I don't know where else to put this but I need to get it off my chest and after all, it's @CobaltWolf's fault for making such excellent parts. I hate Delta. There I said it. For one thing it was THOR! Delta was just an upper stage that wasn't really at all different from Able. Same tank, same engine the AJ10. So why isn't the whole family called Able? Also don't give me that 'It's a different version of the AJ10' garbage, if that mattered at all then why did Delta A use the AJ10-118 and the Delta E use the AJ10-118E coupled to a tank that wasn't even remotely the same diameter! If it mattered Delta E would have been called Thor Echo/Easy, not Delta. Not to mention there were versions of 'Delta' than didn't even have an AJ10 of any variety! That's all without getting into the first stage. DM-18, DM-19 and DM-21 are very poorly documented, or if they were, than that documentation is no where near as easy to find as it should be. Don't get me started on the solids. Long Tank, Extended Long Tank, Thrust Augmented... I hate Delta, I really do. But... these parts are soooo fun... I need more... I have a problem... *sob* must *sob* stack *sob* more *sob* DELLTAAAAAHAHAAAS

The Craft Files link works but the Sub-Assemblies link does not. I says something to the effect of 'folder does not exist'.

@CobaltWolf So I have done some testing... In the following examples S-I is constructed using a Thor long tank in place of a Jupiter tank and the engines are Muo-89s each with a rated thrust of ~222 kN at sea level, giving a TWR at launch of 1.48. The S-I in the Saturn B-1 example also has 8 B109-D radial engines to simulate an up-rating the Muo-89s to ~264 kN at sea level giving a TWR at launch of 1.05. Note: Stage 2 and stage 3 are inert. Note: Stage 3 and stage 4 are inert. Stage 2 on the Saturn B-1 example is made of 4 Prometheus II first stage tanks and powered by 4 Muo-89s (IRL they were LR-89s so we even have the correct engine already!) All this put together leads me to believe you were right in KSP H-1 would have a thrust of 280-295.

@CobaltWolf I don't have those numbers but I can run some tests and see, although I suspect it can. He isn't really working on Saturn-anything, he is working on Jupiter/Juno II. I have simply pointed out that with the new Jupiter/Juno parts we can assemble something akin to Super-Jupiter, Juno V-A or Juno V-B. Alternatively, as we don't have a E-1 analog, something like Saturn A-1 or Saturn B-1. Please note that all of these are rejected designs. Now if your are super industrious and construct the Saturn I first stage yourself out of 1 Jupiter tank and 8 Redstone tanks and some S-3D engines from Jupiter in place of the true H-1 engines then you could end up with something akin Saturn I. Saturn IB and Saturn V are a long ways away as Saturn IB would require the J-2 engine and Saturn V shares no parts and has no parts that are direct developments of any parts currently in BDB. That is all to say that The Great BlueDog is working on Jupiter/Juno II, not Saturn I, you can just get a Saturn I out of it if your clever. EDIT: For clarity Saturn B-1 is not Saturn IB, they are very different.

Well astronautix has the thrust of an H-1 at 947.7 kN and the S-3 at 758.7 kN. 190~ kN can easily be made up for with some ahistorical verner engines. That's if it even needs them.

@CobaltWolf My Super Juno comment wasn't supposed to generate hype or pressure. That said Super Juno and even some of the proposals made under the Saturn designation are a lot closer than you might think. With the Juno expansion we have all the correct tankage and a precursor to the H-1 in the form of S-3D, all that's needed after that is for the LR-87s to have a bottom attachment point and boom, Saturn A-1 and Saturn B-1.

Thanks! I figured they had some clever filters specific for the mission or some such. If you're ever in the market for new science part ideas, I'm your guy. Perhaps the 'sail' instrument package from OSO-3? Solar experiments all! Alternate Info 1 (NASA) Alternate Info 2 (astronautix) PS - Super excited for Juno, and by extension Super Juno!

Just thought I would share an awesome video I made with BDB! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz8j9KK1wi8

SSR is the name of the Thor parts.

Yeah the first stage is really only useful as a disposable launcher and your recommendations are dead on. As for the "unflown" section, you can get the Vulkan from another mod Beale develops for, AB Launchers. EDIT: We definitely need a good UR-700/UR-700N though!

I shall add mine to make 4. I will just point out that I for one have used the third stage tank extensively in service modules for orbiters, as we as in fuel depots both on the ground and in orbit. The same go's for (to a much lesser extent) the second stage tank.

Wait I thought you said two of those were experiments not antenna... That said they look great!

I'm not sure they did, still sad to see the 1.25m docking ports go. Now if I need to dock at 1.25m I'll have to resort to the awful stock one (they are so ugly). I suppose I will just re add them from an earlier version. EDIT: I meant to ask this awhile ago but as it is release day there is no better time. I have been wanting to make sure that the RemoteTech config is up to date and as robust as it can be. Anyone who runs Tantares AND RemoteTech please be on the lookout for parts that don't work right, and let me know if you find one so I can fix it.

@CobaltWolf I can take a look if you would like.

So I am still working on a Thor pack but it is a bit trickier that I thought at first, mainly due to a lack of a .625 solid rocket for Altair. I will keep at it but not sure how far I will get. @Sgt.Shutesie I just gave you craft pack a go and it looks great! Two things stand out to me having just put together a massive Titan pack though. Titan IIIA was built to test Trastage and is absent on your Prometheus IIIA. The other thing is that Titan IIIC only ever flew with 5 segment SRMs and your Prometheus IIIC is just the core stack. Those two things aside it is still quite usable and I'm glad to see lots or Atlas/Muo variants, great work!