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1 hour ago, Kassler Scott said:

The adapter panels separate just fine, and then nothing else...

huh, gettin weirder. hopefully others will chime in with ideas, too.

did you have a chance to try my craft file? my only guess has to do with which nodes are attached where. or here's a good test to try - if you remove the SIV-B tank so the IU is the bottom-est piece, are you able to remove the LM descent engine without affecting anything else? (assuming the CM is the root)

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8 hours ago, OrbitalManeuvers said:

huh, gettin weirder. hopefully others will chime in with ideas, too.

did you have a chance to try my craft file? my only guess has to do with which nodes are attached where. or here's a good test to try - if you remove the SIV-B tank so the IU is the bottom-est piece, are you able to remove the LM descent engine without affecting anything else? (assuming the CM is the root)

@Kassler Scott, may I weigh in on this? I would suggest starting a fresh, new build of the LM/SLA from scratch. Start with the LM. When finished, move it out to a launch pad via the normal method and use the cheat menu or the Hyperedit mod to put it in an orbit, all by itself. Test ALL of the functions to ensure it is working properly. If it is, revert it back to the VAB. Add just the SLA without the panels. Once again cheat it to orbit and test the separation from the SLA. If it doesn’t work, then you know that the problem lies with how the SLA attaches to the node on the LM. If it does work, revert to VAB and add the IU to the bottom of the SLA. Test again. Keep repeating this procedure, adding one part at a time, until you find the culprit.

Make sure you are following @Friznit’s Wiki build guide to the letter. It is actually easy to miss a vital part.

When I am doing scratch builds of rockets or spacecraft I follow this step-by-step testing regimen to ensure that I didn’t goon something up. It makes it a lot easier to find the offending part this way. The cheat menu or Hyperedit is your best friend in this regard. It saves you A LOT of time and head scratching.

Unlike real life, KSP is not friendly to “all up” testing by building the whole rocket and flying it to find bugs.

One other suggestion… once you find and fix the problem and are fully operational, change how you do the transposition & docking maneuver with the CSM. Once you blow the SLA panels, fly the CSM forwards with the RCS and away from the LM/S-IVB stack about 25-30 meters. Only then do you engage MechJeb to turn the CSM around to dock. In your video you were very close to the LM when you turned around and very nearly collided with it. In real life that would have caused all sorts of bad problems. When using MechJeb for this maneuver, NEVER approach for docking faster than .5 meters per second. I always use .1 to .2 m/s for docking.

Addendum: after reading all of your posts, I am convinced that you have a part clipping problem; i.e. one part interfering with or sticking to another. The problem does not lay with any of the BDB parts. I have flown BDB Apollo missions to the moon numerous times and have never experienced this problem. Please don’t take that personally. There is a steep learning curve to all of these parts, and if you are relatively new to KSP it can be daunting. Stick with it. You will figure it out.

 

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8 hours ago, DaveyJ576 said:

@Kassler Scott, may I weigh in on this? I would suggest starting a fresh, new build of the LM/SLA from scratch. Start with the LM. When finished, move it out to a launch pad via the normal method and use the cheat menu or the Hyperedit mod to put it in an orbit, all by itself. Test ALL of the functions to ensure it is working properly. If it is, revert it back to the VAB. Add just the SLA without the panels. Once again cheat it to orbit and test the separation from the SLA. If it doesn’t work, then you know that the problem lies with how the SLA attaches to the node on the LM. If it does work, revert to VAB and add the IU to the bottom of the SLA. Test again. Keep repeating this procedure, adding one part at a time, until you find the culprit.

Make sure you are following @Friznit’s Wiki build guide to the letter. It is actually easy to miss a vital part.

When I am doing scratch builds of rockets or spacecraft I follow this step-by-step testing regimen to ensure that I didn’t goon something up. It makes it a lot easier to find the offending part this way. The cheat menu or Hyperedit is your best friend in this regard. It saves you A LOT of time and head scratching.

Unlike real life, KSP is not friendly to “all up” testing by building the whole rocket and flying it to find bugs.

One other suggestion… once you find and fix the problem and are fully operational, change how you do the transposition & docking maneuver with the CSM. Once you blow the SLA panels, fly the CSM forwards with the RCS and away from the LM/S-IVB stack about 25-30 meters. Only then do you engage MechJeb to turn the CSM around to dock. In your video you were very close to the LM when you turned around and very nearly collided with it. In real life that would have caused all sorts of bad problems. When using MechJeb for this maneuver, NEVER approach for docking faster than .5 meters per second. I always use .1 to .2 m/s for docking.

Addendum: after reading all of your posts, I am convinced that you have a part clipping problem; i.e. one part interfering with or sticking to another. The problem does not lay with any of the BDB parts. I have flown BDB Apollo missions to the moon numerous times and have never experienced this problem. Please don’t take that personally. There is a steep learning curve to all of these parts, and if you are relatively new to KSP it can be daunting. Stick with it. You will figure it out.

 

I appreciate the little regimen and the insight altogether! I did try and recreate the Apollo craft as you outlined, and the SLA did work a total of one single time, but I count that as a fluke since it only worked once, and never again sadly.

The funny thing here is that I actually am moderately experienced with BDB, I've used these parts for a good while now, and I too have done countless Moon missions using the exact same craft files that are now screwing me up. These crafts I've been using are slight modifications of the included stock craft files just with the decals added.

And they have worked, the SLA did decouple the LM properly at one point. The problem is that only recently have they been screwing up, I haven't moved parts around at all, only changing some basic B9 configs here and there for better accuracy. At one point I did recreate a SLA assembly on my own, cheated it to orbit, and faced the same problems. I reinstalled MM, I reinstalled BDB and B9, and only sometimes, every once in a blue moon, can I get the SLA working the way it should, but it isn't consistent anymore, maybe working only 1 out of 20 times on certain crafts unfortunately.

And as for your advice on Transposition and Docking, thanks :p I usually do give around 15m of space, I was just rushing to make the video xD

Edit: If you want, I can include the craft files I use for Apollo 11, just in case you want to test yourself and see if it's a problem with my crafts or my save. You'll need BDB, MLP, and conformal decals as far as I remember. :)

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16 hours ago, OrbitalManeuvers said:

huh, gettin weirder. hopefully others will chime in with ideas, too.

did you have a chance to try my craft file? my only guess has to do with which nodes are attached where. or here's a good test to try - if you remove the SIV-B tank so the IU is the bottom-est piece, are you able to remove the LM descent engine without affecting anything else? (assuming the CM is the root)

Sorry! Forgot about the craft file, I was too busy looking at the pretty videos xD

I did just try your craft file, and there were some unknown part modules, (Likely accounting for mods you have that I don't) but none of them should have interfered with the attach nodes. Unfortunately the payload still didn't decouple, either after staging it, or just trying at it manually. I am almost 100% convinced now that something went wrong when changing my visual mods, as those were the only mod changes I made between my craft files having a working SLA, and not having a working SLA :((

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33 minutes ago, Kassler Scott said:

I did just try your craft file

I tried yours as well, and it worked fine. So some of our module differences are for sure that my BDB is in sync with github, and yours - I believe - is the released version. Your craft had complaints about ModuleBDBDepthMask on my system, which means your parts came from the release, I think. Anyway - none of the module differences we had should affect this decoupler behavior you're seeing, afaik. I think, if anything, we've definitely narrowed everything down to some difference in our installs. Poop, I'm outta ideas for the moment.

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2 hours ago, Kassler Scott said:

I appreciate the little regimen and the insight altogether! I did try and recreate the Apollo craft as you outlined, and the SLA did work a total of one single time, but I count that as a fluke since it only worked once, and never again sadly.

The funny thing here is that I actually am moderately experienced with BDB, I've used these parts for a good while now, and I too have done countless Moon missions using the exact same craft files that are now screwing me up. These crafts I've been using are slight modifications of the included stock craft files just with the decals added.

And they have worked, the SLA did decouple the LM properly at one point. The problem is that only recently have they been screwing up, I haven't moved parts around at all, only changing some basic B9 configs here and there for better accuracy. At one point I did recreate a SLA assembly on my own, cheated it to orbit, and faced the same problems. I reinstalled MM, I reinstalled BDB and B9, and only sometimes, every once in a blue moon, can I get the SLA working the way it should, but it isn't consistent anymore, maybe working only 1 out of 20 times on certain crafts unfortunately.

And as for your advice on Transposition and Docking, thanks :p I usually do give around 15m of space, I was just rushing to make the video xD

Edit: If you want, I can include the craft files I use for Apollo 11, just in case you want to test yourself and see if it's a problem with my crafts or my save. You'll need BDB, MLP, and conformal decals as far as I remember. :)

Apollo 11.craft

Sorry! Forgot about the craft file, I was too busy looking at the pretty videos xD

I did just try your craft file, and there were some unknown part modules, (Likely accounting for mods you have that I don't) but none of them should have interfered with the attach nodes. Unfortunately the payload still didn't decouple, either after staging it, or just trying at it manually. I am almost 100% convinced now that something went wrong when changing my visual mods, as those were the only mod changes I made between my craft files having a working SLA, and not having a working SLA :((

I wasn’t sure about your experience level. I was going off your forum stats. No offense intended.

At this point I am stumped. When combined with what others have said, I can’t think of what it might be. Sorry. It’s weird dude, even for KSP. 

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3 minutes ago, DaveyJ576 said:

I wasn’t sure about your experience level. I was going off your forum stats. No offense intended.

At this point I am stumped. When combined with what others have said, I can’t think of what it might be. Sorry. It’s weird dude, even for KSP. 

Don't worry! No offense taken. I don't expect anyone to know I've been at this game for a while considering I just joined the forums x3

But yeah, sounds like my install could just be busted altogether and BDB doesn't know how to respond. Now that I think about it, I have run into a multitude of other BDB problems that I didn't before that I think are because of my install and not the mod itself. SLA obviously doesn't work, Mercury capsule heat shield crashes my game whenever I activate it, and the ASTP docking ports don't connect (I checked, I was using the right ones)

I'm probably going to backup my craft files and boot up a fresh install of the game, I'll report back with results :D

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1 hour ago, DaveyJ576 said:

I wasn’t sure about your experience level. I was going off your forum stats. No offense intended.

At this point I am stumped. When combined with what others have said, I can’t think of what it might be. Sorry. It’s weird dude, even for KSP. 

Alright! Reporting back as promised!

I got it to work :p Little anticlimactic I know but some combination of rebuilding the parts of my craft that were screwing up as well as doing a fresh install must have flipped a switch in these parts to work.

Thanks so much for the help!

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I just want to use the lunar rover!

But my attempts made KSP crash for the first time on my new computer. And that's quite impressive actually, considering the stress I've put on the game with my modlist and graphical settings.

I had successfully deployed the rover on the Mun, and I was trying to position it to assemble the rest of it. But when I got Bob out of the seat, it caused the rover to violently jostle and flip around onto its side. I tried to push it around, and got it turning more. When it was about on its wheels, I tried to use timescale to force it to stop rotating. Evidently that was a mistake, as it only caused the rover to clip through the ground. And then when I backed out of timescale, the game decided "I think I've had enough" and that was that.

Maybe I'll just stick to the Lunar Flying Vehicle

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2 hours ago, Slverfox94739 said:

No I have it, I was really impresed with it. I was hoping the maker possably made other guides like it for the other crafts Atlas, Saturn ect.

Sorry I mean that as a statement. I couldn't find it. :blush:

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On 1/19/2025 at 5:44 PM, LoadingTimeExpert said:

I just want to use the lunar rover!

But my attempts made KSP crash for the first time on my new computer. And that's quite impressive actually, considering the stress I've put on the game with my modlist and graphical settings.

I had successfully deployed the rover on the Mun, and I was trying to position it to assemble the rest of it. But when I got Bob out of the seat, it caused the rover to violently jostle and flip around onto its side. I tried to push it around, and got it turning more. When it was about on its wheels, I tried to use timescale to force it to stop rotating. Evidently that was a mistake, as it only caused the rover to clip through the ground. And then when I backed out of timescale, the game decided "I think I've had enough" and that was that.

Maybe I'll just stick to the Lunar Flying Vehicle

Did you make sure not to autostrut any parts of the rover? I've had those problems before when it comes to strutting and locking parts, it's a very specific thing to watch out for.

Besides that, I would make sure to NEVER use physics warp at any point during your mission, as that will cause the rover to get wobbly. Additionally, if you don't have KJR and Kerbal community fixes installed, highly recommend those two for extra stability.

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On 1/22/2025 at 5:41 PM, Hank Kerman said:

I don't want to risk messing up my game by uninstalling and then reinstalling BDB, but with the link I was able to view the Delta Guide. It is pretty dang good! Thanks!

you can always just browse the repo in place:  https://github.com/CobaltWolf/Bluedog-Design-Bureau/tree/master/Craft Files/

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On 1/22/2025 at 5:41 PM, Hank Kerman said:

I don't want to risk messing up my game by uninstalling and then reinstalling BDB, but with the link I was able to view the Delta Guide. It is pretty dang good! Thanks!

Yay the forums are back up the forums are back....   HTTP 404 error :P
 

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1 hour ago, marxman28 said:

How should I carry a Pegasus rocket aloft? I can build a plane, I can build the Pegasus, but there's no place for me to put the Pegasus on the plane.

For me, I just slung it under the carrier aircraft and used one of the tiny radial decouplers

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21 hours ago, Hank Kerman said:

For me, I just slung it under the carrier aircraft and used one of the tiny radial decouplers

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That aircraft looks like a pain to take off in!  Such a narrow wheelbase   and big heavy things hanging under the wings.  

 

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