Daeridanii Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Well, that's another way to go to space (kinda.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geschosskopf Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 @Kuzzter, how far did you get? Last time I tossed something into Jool, it blew at about 500m IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dilsby Posted July 7, 2016 Author Share Posted July 7, 2016 Just now, Geschosskopf said: @Kuzzter, how far did you get? Last time I tossed something into Jool, it blew at about 500m IIRC. It seemed to hit zero, then bounce up to 250m before exploding. I had actually cut the 'chute by then, as it was taking forever to fall and I had to let my wife use the computer. Very happy with the design--everything worked great, and I had enough battery power to transmit all the data. I even got a second reading in on the atmosphere scanner! Moons were visible through the star field at the bottom. Very glad only the probe was destroyed and not the whole planet, or the savefile! I was watching pressure almost all the way down, reading topped out at around 1500kPa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geschosskopf Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, Kuzzter said: It seemed to hit zero, then bounce up to 250m before exploding. Yeah, I just went back and checked my old OPTC pics and the last thing I dropped on Jool exploded at 241m, not 500m. But it never reached 0. 3 minutes ago, Kuzzter said: Moons were visible through the star field at the bottom. Very glad only the probe was destroyed and not the whole planet, or the savefile! I was watching pressure almost all the way down, reading topped out at around 1500kPa. I couldn't see through Jool, but that might have been the camera angle, which was always slightly above the ship. Interesting. 1000kPa ~ 1atm so that's about 15atm at Jool's center. That seems surprisingly low. Here on Earth, you get that at only 150m underwater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 18 minutes ago, Kuzzter said: bounce up to 250m I believe that the "surface" is at -250 meters and you were just falling down to that altitude. I think... And, we arrive at Jool! You know you're doing something right if you can have one of the most viewed threads and go through ten chapters without getting to Jool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gojira1000 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 You made me sad for a probe core. Have some rep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dilsby Posted July 7, 2016 Author Share Posted July 7, 2016 23 minutes ago, Geschosskopf said: Interesting. 1000kPa ~ 1atm so that's about 15atm at Jool's center. That seems surprisingly low. Here on Earth, you get that at only 150m underwater. Yeah, I wondered if the barometer was actually in MPa but nope, the wiki confirms only 15atm at the 'surface'. No wonder things can survive all the way down there. Personally I'd rather see Jool have a liquid metallic hydrogen surface, or whatever Juno discovers is really down there on Jupiter. Then put a truly ridiculous pressure on that surface and make anything that touches it freeze, then explode in flames, then freeze again. That can then become the basis of my next great Kerbfleet graphic novel, Jool: Order NOPE! 16 minutes ago, Ultimate Steve said: You know you're doing something right if you can have one of the most viewed threads and go through ten chapters without getting to Jool. I had actually bet my business partner one kerbuck that I could string you all along for at least thirty more chapters, but got sick of waiting and finally made the intercept 6 minutes ago, Gojira1000 said: You made me sad for a probe core. Have some rep. Waah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceplaneAddict Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 *sniffles* Farewell Jooldiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZentroCatson Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Poor Jooldiver, he only earned the sarjint's reputation when he was about to get destroyed… Nice story, btw. I'm really enjoying it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman979 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 2 hours ago, Kuzzter said: I had actually bet my business partner one kerbuck that I could string you all along for at least thirty more chapters, but got sick of waiting and finally made the intercept Don't you mean your brother? And that was great. Both the movie, and the comic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andem Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 18 hours ago, UnusualAttitude said: May he who hath never F9'd throw the first stone... Yeah, well. I always turn off quicksaving and reverting. Leads to real sense of loss when a mission fails or a Kerbal dies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starhawk Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 That really was an epic ending for that Jooldiver. That bit about seeing the stars worked perfectly as the Jooldiver's final message. Thanks Kuzzter. Happy landings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingPete Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 "It's full of stars!" Where's the next diver headed, I wonder? and what will Kerbulan Space Command make of Intrepid launching a 'missile' into Jool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jim Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 5 minutes ago, FlyingPete said: ... and what will Kerbulan Space Command make of Intrepid launching a 'missile' into Jool? I'm out of likes for today, but I was wondering the exact same thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Kerman Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 No need to mourn the loss of JoolDiver, it died doing what it was designed to do. Well done, JoolDiver! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andem Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 4 hours ago, FlyingPete said: "It's full of stars!" Where's the next diver headed, I wonder? and what will Kerbulan Space Command make of Intrepid launching a 'missile' into Jool? They're probably thinking the Intrepid crew were attempting to ignite Jool into a second sun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superstrijder15 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Note that in one of my space atlases the 'surface'of jupiter is at 1atm, and, if i remember correctly, that the surface of jool isn't the surface, but set to destroy anything because glitches occured when people went to low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dilsby Posted July 8, 2016 Author Share Posted July 8, 2016 18 hours ago, FlyingPete said: Where's the next diver headed, I wonder? and what will Kerbulan Space Command make of Intrepid launching a 'missile' into Jool? Indeed! If the rest of Despair's crew follows Evil Val's orders, they're not going to interfere until Intrepid fires off at least a few more 'missiles'. Still, one has to wonder what this looks like to them given their scans of the ship on Minmus... 17 hours ago, Angel-125 said: No need to mourn the loss of JoolDiver, it died doing what it was designed to do. Well done, JoolDiver! Quite true. And if probes have an afterlife, it's in the data they upload back to the 'source'. 28 minutes ago, superstrijder15 said: Note that in one of my space atlases the 'surface'of jupiter is at 1atm, and, if i remember correctly, that the surface of jool isn't the surface, but set to destroy anything because glitches occured when people went to low. Just looking it up now--apparently the 'surface' of Jupiter is defined to be the point at which pressure is 1 atm, because otherwise it would have none... or so people thought/think. I really wonder what the boundary between the gaseous atmosphere and the 'metallic liquid hydrogen' or whatever actually looks like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Kerman Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 If probes are anything like cylons, then there's a resurrection ship somewhere out there, and death becomes a learning experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemist Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 32 minutes ago, Kuzzter said: Just looking it up now--apparently the 'surface' of Jupiter is defined to be the point at which pressure is 1 atm, because otherwise it would have none... or so people thought/think. I really wonder what the boundary between the gaseous atmosphere and the 'metallic liquid hydrogen' or whatever actually looks like! Well, the metallic state is something that happens at very high pressures rather deep in the planet. Besides, I'm not sure how well defined the border is. One could define the surface as the border between gaseous and liquid hydrogen, but it doesn't exist at such temperatures - it's in supercritical fluid state. Maybe it could be useful to define it as some level where density reaches some level comparable to density of liquid hydrogen (at critical point? some extrapolation option?) or some pressure associated with this (critical pressure? extrapolating boiling pressure past the critical point?), but again it's very arbitrary. Just a little less arbitrary than just taking 1 atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geschosskopf Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Kuzzter said: Just looking it up now--apparently the 'surface' of Jupiter is defined to be the point at which pressure is 1 atm, because otherwise it would have none... or so people thought/think. I really wonder what the boundary between the gaseous atmosphere and the 'metallic liquid hydrogen' or whatever actually looks like! I don't think this is the whole story... KSC's altimeter was originally based on real ones that work off pressure. The pressure at sea level on Kerbin is 1.0 atm by definition so the altimeter shows 0 there, and then it reports higher altitudes in Above Sea Level (ASL) format. But this has nothing to do with the surface, which can be at any height. I mean, when on the runway at KSC, you're at like 76m altitude. So basically, OT1H, there is no link between what the altimeter says and where the surface actually is. It's based on pressure. 1atm = 0 meters ASL. But OTOH, we have to use this same pressure-calibrated altimeter at every other planet, even those without atmospheres where this type of altimeter wouldn't work at all. Thus, in the game, every planet has to have a "sea level" arbitrarily defined, which the altimeter uses to display your altitude. However, OTGH, because the altimeter works on airless planets, the altimeter doesn't really use actual in-game, measured atmospheric pressure to define "sea level". A planet's "sea level" is an independent, arbitrary value found somewhere in the stats of the planet, and the altimeter goes to that instead of the actual outside pressure (which can, of course, be zero). Which means that on planets that DO have atmospheres, there is no correlation between measured atmospheric pressure and the displayed ASL altitude. This is why you get 15 atm of pressure near the zero altitude point of Jool. In the workings of the game, the 2 numbers actually have nothing to do with each other. The altitude is based on some number in the planet's stats and the measured pressure is based on the atmosphere's pressure curve, which is found in another part of the planet's stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dilsby Posted July 8, 2016 Author Share Posted July 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, Geschosskopf said: I don't think this is the whole story... [excellent explanation snipped] Oh yes, of course, but I was talking about Jupiter, not Jool--pointing out that the reason the 'surface' pressure of Jupiter is 1 atm is only because the position of the Jupiter's 'surface' is arbitrarily (and syllogistically) defined as being that place where the pressure is 1 atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Error Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Most (I think all?) cockpits with an IVA have a radar altimeter available, but there's not one on the default HUD. And you can't exactly go IVA on a probe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FyunchClick Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 8 hours ago, Geschosskopf said: OTGH <hugs Geschosskopf> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geschosskopf Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 25 minutes ago, FyunchClick said: <hugs Geschosskopf> You Moties are lucky in having 3 hands because sometimes there are more than 2 sides to a story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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