Randazzo Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kuzzter said: The only conflict comes if a MJ and Not-MJ player try to compare piloting accomplishments, which they can't because they are playing a different game with respect to piloting. They can compare their ship designs, of course, and some other things--but come on, it's no more cheating to play a differently modded game than it is to play one game that's different from another for any other reason at all. To be more specific, it would be unfair to compare a mechjeb piloted craft to a manually piloted one. Players themselves are not by default lacking the ability to fly just because they are "Mechjeb Players". This assumption is what bugs me about these sort of threads and the responses they generate (not yours, in this respect). For example, I am undoubtedly a well-known mechjeb user. Are my manually flown K-Prize entries somehow diminished by the fact that I am a mechjeb user? This stigma shouldn't exist in the first place, it's just plain silly. As an aside, MJ is truly a remarkable piece of software, and @sarbian is possibly a(n evil) genius. Edited January 5, 2016 by Randazzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dilsby Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 15 minutes ago, Randazzo said: To be more specific, it would be unfair to compare a mechjeb piloted craft to a manually piloted one. Players themselves are not by default lacking the ability to fly just because they are "Mechjeb Players". This assumption is what bugs me about these sort of threads and the responses they generate (not yours, in this respect). Correct. "Choosing not to fly manually" is not the same thing as "unable to fly manually". No, you can't prove your piloting skills without demonstrating them--but it is no one else's business to demand that you must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Baron Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I tried MechJeb long ago and found out that MechJeb was not as efficient as manual piloting, plus it didn't add to my playing experience. I find that docking, landing close to a desired spot and trying to find a notthatbad ascent profile (yea, you get it, still chewing on that every time when i change my rocket's design) are the key things in KSP and i want do them myself. And, let's be honest, since the invention of the navball-markers these tasks eren't that scary any more ... with a little practice one can be much better than an autopilot in chosing when and where to dock (on the dayside of course, or ahead of another docking maneuver) and how efficient/fast that goes, or not ? So my vote is on manually, but everyone can do as he or she likes and can. And there is no need depreciate the "other side". If it was stock there should be a switch, like a pilot who opts to land vfr or electrically. :-) k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoVampire Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) @Torgo It has been suggested by people like dr. Michio kaku that time in fact does NOT exist and is an invention by man. Ill say it again make the blasted mod stock and this blasted nonsense stops cold. @Randazzo Sarbian is not its inventor but its current keeper Edited January 5, 2016 by AlamoVampire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW-1 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I believe it is again, like others have said, not a matter of if you decide to use it, or even a crutch, but if you are going to compare an accomplishment that was done using it to the same accomplishment done manually, nothing more. But here's the rub - as a commerical heli CFII, to me, it behooves a pilot to make use of any and all equipment in the particular aircraft that they fly when possible (workload reduction). In the case of an AP, that depends on what operation is being done. Certainly there are reasons not to use it, because "Current doesn't equal Proficient". One should reasonably be able to perform the things that the autopilot can do manually, many times however we'll have to stipulate that the AP can do it better than we can in the real world. As far as KSP, I fly stock, no mods. No MJ, but I've considered it, for reasons already given - it could take the mundane chores out of an equation - launching to orbit, etc, and allow me to plan other tasks. I'm also sure that MJ can only compensate so far for a poorly designed craft, it's not a cure-all. In the end, if that's what you use to ENJOY KSP, then I'm all for it. Because that's what it's all about - enjoying KSP, not how you do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motokid600 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 How else can one eat ice cream and play KSP at the same time? I don't have four arms, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarbian Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) 54 minutes ago, AlamoVampire said: @Randazzo Sarbian is not its inventor but its current keeper Keeper ? 2 years of work on a 3 years old project, 2nd in contributed code on the project and that s all I am ? Not that the original author don't deserve a huge respect but I do a bit more than fixing it for KSP patch... As for the thread subject : A usual a bunch of poster want to feel specials and show the world that only them can pilot a rocket. I got news fro you : KSP is the super duper easy mode of real life rocketry. Come back to boast when you are at least a RL fighter pilot. In the mean time go play big boys on 4chan. Edit : and as usual I see a bunch of poster clearly never used MJ once when I see what they think it does. Edited January 5, 2016 by sarbian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathair Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 1 hour ago, AlamoVampire said: @Torgo@Randazzo It has been suggested by people like dr. Michio kaku that time in fact does NOT exist and is an invention by man. I would love to see a reference for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geschosskopf Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 3 hours ago, wasmic said: Excuse me? You're just as bad about this as the other side of the coin. People should play this game the way they want, whatever that means. If people think it's more fun to fly their rockets themselves, who are you to deny them that pleasure? You miss the point. The majority of players are all live-and-let-live on the MJ issue, not saying anything one way or the other, whether they use it or not. It is all personal choice. Those who get all upset about MJ are the egoists who feel compelled to trumpet their imagined superiority by loudly and proudly proclaiming how they don't use it while heaping scorn on those who do. Such people are demonstrably obstinate about trying to prove their machismo. I was merely telling that crowd that their so-called accomplishments do not impress people who know about things closer to reality than KSP. Once they understand this, then hopefully they'll feel embarrassed and stop such ranting, or maybe go play Orbiter instead of KSP. And then folks like this OP won't have anybody to pick fights with every few months, and this whole "is MJ cheating?" thing will finally stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frybert Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Clearly not using RO RP-0 is cheating. I'll see myself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Iron Crown Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 This thread has run its course and is devolving into personal attacks despite the request to refrain from them. Time to lock this one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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