[WIP] [1.2.1] [2.0.4] Stock Size Real Solar System

[sDaZe]

8 hours ago, TheKurgan said:

Hey sDaZe, I was playing around with the KSC Switcher mod, and decided to try fr_kourou. When I tried to launch a space plane I ad this happen, so I went into your launchsites.cfg file and changed the radius under PQSMod_MapDecalTangent for fr_kourou to 4900 (from 4500) 

This fixed the problem of planes doing a beautiful backflip upon launch, but it does mess up the shoreline a little. If there's a better solution like changing the repositionRadiusOffset or something, I don't know, I didn't dick around with it.

Go into the settings.cfg and add this line of code. 

@Kopernicus:BEFORE[SigDim2]:NEEDS[SigDim]
{
    @Body:HAS[#name[Earth]]
    {
        @PlanetDimensions[5] = 1
    }
}

See if that works. 

[sDaZe]

On 8/1/2016 at 11:17 PM, Duski said:

I reckon it looks pretty cool, even though it's unrealistic. If you'd turn down the brightness and it'd look nice. I just like to see Mars' atmosphere there very thin along the circumference as I find seeing no atmosphere from a distance (even though it really is there) feels misleading. 

If you download the linux version of RVE and use his Mars scatterer it should have what you're looking for. 

[Galileo]

On 8/1/2016 at 1:31 AM, Duski said:

Hey Berlin, are you able to do something like this with the Mars atmosphere like what pingopete has done? Or would this be basically the same as the setting and proland for Duna?

Here http://imgur.com/a/2lqPd

Hey its Berlin,  name change happened it is more or looks like the same Proland and settings for Duna.  You could try that or what sDaZe said. RVE is probably more fine tuned so check that out

[Duski]

17 hours ago, Galileo said:

Hey its Berlin,  name change happened it is more or looks like the same Proland and settings for Duna.  You could try that or what sDaZe said. RVE is probably more fine tuned so check that out

Alright, will give it a go. But wouldn't I have to adjust heights to 1/10th the scale or not?

 

P.S what's with the name change?  

[Galileo]

6 hours ago, Duski said:

Alright, will give it a go. But wouldn't I have to adjust heights to 1/10th the scale or not?

 

P.S what's with the name change?  

Not with scatterer,  no

[Duski]

On 04/08/2016 at 0:26 AM, sDaZe said:

If you download the linux version of RVE and use his Mars scatterer it should have what you're looking for. 

Well it did say in the screenshots that it was WIP so not sure. But i'll have a look at the RVE thread.

Well it does mention the linux version but when I go on the github link, it only says its for windows 32 bit.

But that's on the 1.0.5 download. Gonna keep looking.

EDIT EDIT: Ok, finally found the linux version (I don't really like github because its a pain) gonna dl now.

Edited August 5, 2016 by Duski

[Duski]

Well it didn't turn out as it was supposed to. I'll see if there's any difference by adding the planets list cfg.

[Galileo]

3 hours ago, Duski said:

Well it didn't turn out as it was supposed to. I'll see if there's any difference by adding the planets list cfg.

Adding the planetlist won't make a difference. All you need is the Proland and settings 

[Duski]

49 minutes ago, Galileo said:

Adding the planetlist won't make a difference. All you need is the Proland and settings 

yea I just added the whole mars folder into the scatterer config. I wonder if it was the wrong or right way as I came out with a very very bright whitey orange totally unlike the one in the picture. I might try the setting and proland for Duna. Because I quite like the atmosphere you have on SVE for Duna.

[Duski]

Ahh i'm happy with what I got now. Looks nice and unrealistic. XD

and pics cos why not.

->IMAGES!!<-

Edited August 5, 2016 by Duski

[Duski]

Hey, I don't know how to merge posts, but what do you suggest as a launch site for going interplanetary? Because, things can get a little weird on inclined orbits. Especially when you're trying to match orbits with a planet. So, what do people suggest as a launch site for going interplanetary? The regular Cape Canaveral one? or some other one?

[Nansuchao]

7 hours ago, Duski said:

Hey, I don't know how to merge posts, but what do you suggest as a launch site for going interplanetary? Because, things can get a little weird on inclined orbits. Especially when you're trying to match orbits with a planet. So, what do people suggest as a launch site for going interplanetary? The regular Cape Canaveral one? or some other one?

I usually launch from Cape Canaveral with the Moon inclination. Usually it's almost perfect for interplanetary travel, I have not to tweak a lot the inclination for interplanetary.

[Duski]

1 hour ago, Nansuchao said:

I usually launch from Cape Canaveral with the Moon inclination. Usually it's almost perfect for interplanetary travel, I have not to tweak a lot the inclination for interplanetary.

Ok, will try that out.  I tried the 0 inclination stock orbit but I really didn't like it.

[KAO]

Has anybody played this mod with Principia N-body gravity installed? Launch starts off fine until I'm accelerated 400 g's downwards when I hit 70km. Any fixes?

[Duski]

17 hours ago, Nansuchao said:

I usually launch from Cape Canaveral with the Moon inclination. Usually it's almost perfect for interplanetary travel, I have not to tweak a lot the inclination for interplanetary.

Well that most certainly worked! I got to Mars and landed my Boar unmanned lander. I used MechJeb for the transfer window, as it was my first interplanetary mission. In that case, are the launch windows the same as stock and that Mars should be 45 degrees ahead except it's all inclined? 

[kamikazee]

Does anyone else find that even though this is meant to be real solar system sizes etc but at Kerbin scale, that the Moon is still really small compared to real life? I mean its so small you can barely see it from the surface or in orbit. It almost is the same size as some of the stars. I'm no expert and by the way this mod is fantastic and absolutely brilliant but I know what the moon looks like from Earth and not just that I've looked at heaps of photos etc and it just seems too small? I also tried the full RSS with actual Earth scale and its the same, still really small compared to real life. The standard Kerbin Mun looks more like real life aspect when you see it from the surface or orbit. 

Is this just the way scale is perceived in the game as surely the correct distances are set with respect to scale?

Hope someone can shed some light, tried searching around but found nothing =/

[Duski]

1 hour ago, kamikazee said:

Does anyone else find that even though this is meant to be real solar system sizes etc but at Kerbin scale, that the Moon is still really small compared to real life? I mean its so small you can barely see it from the surface or in orbit. It almost is the same size as some of the stars. I'm no expert and by the way this mod is fantastic and absolutely brilliant but I know what the moon looks like from Earth and not just that I've looked at heaps of photos etc and it just seems too small? I also tried the full RSS with actual Earth scale and its the same, still really small compared to real life. The standard Kerbin Mun looks more like real life aspect when you see it from the surface or orbit. 

Is this just the way scale is perceived in the game as surely the correct distances are set with respect to scale?

Hope someone can shed some light, tried searching around but found nothing =/

If you looked what's in the download, you'd see a folder named 0 inclination and stock orbits. This will make it visible just like irl but maybe even a bit bigger. However, this'll make it more difficult to get to the moon or any other planet as you have to spend a truck load of delta-v to get your orbits coplanar (same inclination). But that's if you are launching from Cape Canaveral. You could download KSCswitcher to put your KSC on the equator though so you can access them with ease, but I personally like to launch from Cape Canaveral.

Which also reminds me, @sDaZe or @Galileo (whoever answers first), Is there a way to make the orbits stock sized without the 0 inclination. Just like @kamikazee said, I wanna see them like real life. Where they are bigger. Oh yeah, is the Moon even tidally locked? I think it is but not in the right place.

Edited August 7, 2016 by Duski

[Nansuchao]

9 hours ago, Duski said:

Well that most certainly worked! I got to Mars and landed my Boar unmanned lander. I used MechJeb for the transfer window, as it was my first interplanetary mission. In that case, are the launch windows the same as stock and that Mars should be 45 degrees ahead except it's all inclined? 

Yes, roughly the same for inner planets until Mars. For the outer planets you have 1-2 transfer windows per years.

I dream a Voyager style mission that can visit all the majors gas giants with some slingshots, but I'm not sure it's possible.

[kamikazee]

5 hours ago, Duski said:

If you looked what's in the download, you'd see a folder named 0 inclination and stock orbits. This will make it visible just like irl but maybe even a bit bigger. However, this'll make it more difficult to get to the moon or any other planet as you have to spend a truck load of delta-v to get your orbits coplanar (same inclination). But that's if you are launching from Cape Canaveral. You could download KSCswitcher to put your KSC on the equator though so you can access them with ease, but I personally like to launch from Cape Canaveral.

Which also reminds me, @sDaZe or @Galileo (whoever answers first), Is there a way to make the orbits stock sized without the 0 inclination. Just like @kamikazee said, I wanna see them like real life. Where they are bigger. Oh yeah, is the Moon even tidally locked? I think it is but not in the right place.

Thanks Duski, yeah I've tried with no inclinations and stock orbits etc already but then of course its less realistic with regards to the way our solar system is. It makes the moon more visible but probably too big as you said. I use KSC Switcher too and launch from Cape Canaveral or Baikonur if using Soyuz. SSRSS is great, I just thought since its meant to be correct inclinations and distances with regards to moons and planets it's weird how the Earth's moon still seems too far away with the 'correct' scale? Or is it incorrect? Would love to hear from the devs on that, but as I said it seems to be the same (oddly small) in the full size RSS too. And then again this mod is pretty much that but overall down scaled to Kerbin size. Would just be nice to see the Moon a bit larger in the sky as it seems in real life, just not sure whether that is set purposely or incorrectly. By the way I'm also from boganland! Lol... Makes me sad Australia lacks a proper space program! 
 

Edited August 7, 2016 by kamikazee

[Galileo]

3 hours ago, kamikazee said:

Thanks Duski, yeah I've tried with no inclinations and stock orbits etc already but then of course its less realistic with regards to the way our solar system is. It makes the moon more visible but probably too big as you said. I use KSC Switcher too and launch from Cape Canaveral or Baikonur if using Soyuz. SSRSS is great, I just thought since its meant to be correct inclinations and distances with regards to moons and planets it's weird how the Earth's moon still seems too far away with the 'correct' scale? Or is it incorrect? Would love to hear from the devs on that, but as I said it seems to be the same (oddly small) in the full size RSS too. And then again this mod is pretty much that but overall down scaled to Kerbin size. Would just be nice to see the Moon a bit larger in the sky as it seems in real life, just not sure whether that is set purposely or incorrectly. By the way I'm also from boganland! Lol... Makes me sad Australia lacks a proper space program! 
 

I don't think it's too small at all.  I don't know how close you are to the moon,  but the moon is quite small where I am. This,  I feel,  is an accurate representation of moon size as you will see in a video game

Edited August 7, 2016 by Galileo

[Duski]

21 hours ago, Nansuchao said:

Yes, roughly the same for inner planets until Mars. For the outer planets you have 1-2 transfer windows per years.

I dream a Voyager style mission that can visit all the majors gas giants with some slingshots, but I'm not sure it's possible.

You could use flyby finder, but don't know if it'll work with this.

15 hours ago, Galileo said:

I don't think it's too small at all.  I don't know how close you are to the moon,  but the moon is quite small where I am. This,  I feel,  is an accurate representation of moon size as you will see in a video game

Maybe you are right, god damn ponzo illusion.

19 hours ago, kamikazee said:

Thanks Duski, yeah I've tried with no inclinations and stock orbits etc already but then of course its less realistic with regards to the way our solar system is. It makes the moon more visible but probably too big as you said. I use KSC Switcher too and launch from Cape Canaveral or Baikonur if using Soyuz. SSRSS is great, I just thought since its meant to be correct inclinations and distances with regards to moons and planets it's weird how the Earth's moon still seems too far away with the 'correct' scale? Or is it incorrect? Would love to hear from the devs on that, but as I said it seems to be the same (oddly small) in the full size RSS too. And then again this mod is pretty much that but overall down scaled to Kerbin size. Would just be nice to see the Moon a bit larger in the sky as it seems in real life, just not sure whether that is set purposely or incorrectly. By the way I'm also from boganland! Lol... Makes me sad Australia lacks a proper space program! 
 

Haha, it does make me sad that we don't even have a space program. I wish we did but, governments these days. Am I right?  

[kamikazee]

16 hours ago, Galileo said:

I don't think it's too small at all.  I don't know how close you are to the moon,  but the moon is quite small where I am. This,  I feel,  is an accurate representation of moon size as you will see in a video game

In Australia

I didn't think the moon looked that different in size apart from the illusion when it's on the horizon (rising/setting) etc where it tends to look larger and of course in different hemispheres with regard to phase. Well I suppose if the distances and sizes are set correctly then that's just how it's rendered in the game... Not a major issue at all but thanks for clarifying anyhow. 

 

1 hour ago, Duski said:

You could use flyby finder, but don't know if it'll work with this.

Maybe you are right, god damn ponzo illusion.

Haha, it does make me sad that we don't even have a space program. I wish we did but, governments these days. Am I right?  

You are 100% correct on that mate lol. Hopefully the deep space complex in Canberra expands?

[Duski]

13 hours ago, kamikazee said:

In Australia

I didn't think the moon looked that different in size apart from the illusion when it's on the horizon (rising/setting) etc where it tends to look larger and of course in different hemispheres with regard to phase. Well I suppose if the distances and sizes are set correctly then that's just how it's rendered in the game... Not a major issue at all but thanks for clarifying anyhow. 

 

You are 100% correct on that mate lol. Hopefully the deep space complex in Canberra expands?

Oh yea I heard about that,  hopefully it does. Going to get some screenshots up guys from my career mode, which has already made some successful trips to the moon and back  Last trip raking in about 400+ science. I had to go over biomes in orbit that I were only orbiting across for a split second.  It was hard work, but I got it done.  

[Duski]

Well guys, after much editing and large decisions of which pictures are worth looking at, the Earth Porn All Time Bests Of the Earth And Moon is out. In, Career Edition! (These were captured from my SSRSS Career save.) It was a very successful mission. Even though we didn't land on the Moon, I still got a ton of science. I got about 600 or 500+ science. I had to go over many biomes as I was orbiting, and some were really hard to get the science from because they were so small I flew past them in a split second. But I was lucky with them and got the science. So it was a great mission.

Anyway, enough of all that, here is the Earth Porn!

->Earth Porn All Time Bests Of The Earth And Moon<-

Edited August 9, 2016 by Duski

[Galileo]

3 minutes ago, Duski said:

Well guys, after much editing and large decisions of which pictures are worth looking at, the Earth Porn All Time Bests Of the Earth And Moon is out. In, Career Edition! (These were captured from my SSRSS Career save.) It was a very successful mission. Even though we didn't land on the Moon, I still got a ton of science. I got about 600 or 500+ science. I had to go over many biomes as I was orbiting, and some were really hard to get the science from because they were so small I flew past them in a split second. But I was lucky with them and got the science. So it was a great mission.

Anyway, enough of all that, here is the Earth Porn!

->Earth Porn All Time Bests Of The And Moon<-

Thats really, really, ridiculously good looking