Just Jim Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: "Folk cuisine"? Heh... Oh, I understand what're saying, I think... and I agree. Depending on what point in history you're talking about, a lot of... merging... took place all over the world. So what exactly is and isn't authentic, or folk, or traditional, or whatever you want to call it??? Kinda depends on what time period you're talking about, I suppose. And who's actually cooking it. I grew up in a small town in upstate NY that was about 50/50 mix of Italian and Czech/Slovak immigrants... and for something truly old country, so to speak, I would have trusted some of my friends grandmothers much, much more than any "Traditional" restaurant! In fact... that's my grumble for this post... Man, I miss Spiedies!!! Betcha 99% of y'all don't even know what they are... which is really disappointing. Y'all have NO CLUE what you're missing out on!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiedie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Wishbone Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, XB-70A said: Natural laziness to search... really. But the fact you mentioned O'Grady, with a link to his page, refreshed my memory well as I have totally forgot that his story happened in 95 (I would have bet it was in 99, which was another F-16), so thanks for it No problem. I also realize now that my previous response may come across a little “biatchy”; not my intention and apologies if it was taken that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piatzin Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Just Jim said: Betcha 99% of y'all don't even know what they are Immediate Reaction: "Spiedie? Spiderman? Spooderman? What?" *Reads wikipedia* ...... "Hot dog thingy?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB-70A Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Johnny Wishbone said: No problem. I also realize now that my previous response may come across a little “biatchy”; not my intention and apologies if it was taken that way. No problems too, and don't worry about as I didn't felt it as "biatchy". I grew up in a place were peoples are pretty "free minded" (some times too much), and their normal behavior could be interpreted as aggressive sometime by the tourists. It leads to some crazy but fun experiences! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jim Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Earthlinger said: Immediate Reaction: "Spiedie? Spiderman? Spooderman? What?" *Reads wikipedia* ...... "Hot dog thingy?" Little hunks of really heavily marinated meat on a roll... or preferably some really fresh Italian bread... So good it's sacrilege to add stuff like lettuce or tomato. Cooked over a BBQ on a skewer.. Edited April 5, 2018 by Just Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Wishbone Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Just Jim said: Little hunks of really heavily marinated meat on a roll... or preferably some really fresh Italian bread... So good it's sacrilege to add stuff like lettuce or tomato. Cooked over a BBQ on a skewer.. I thought this was a thread to complain about stuff. Lets not turn it into a foodie thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jim Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Johnny Wishbone said: I thought this was a thread to complain about stuff. Lets not turn it into a foodie thread. Oh, I can do both!!! I am absolutely NOT HAPPY that I can't buy Spiedies in Florida!!! Grrrrr!!! Edited April 5, 2018 by Just Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Wishbone Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, Just Jim said: Oh, I can do both!!! I am absolutely NOT HAPPY that I can't buy Spiedies in Florida!!! Grrrrr!!! Seem fairly easy to make. Just some basic meats, bread, and time to marinate and roast. Thats not difficult enough to warrant complaining about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jim Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Johnny Wishbone said: Seem fairly easy to make. Just some basic meats, bread, and time to marinate and roast. Thats not difficult enough to warrant complaining about. It's the marinade recipe itself... most places up north the exact recipe is a closely guarded secret, a lot like BBQ places down south. And I could spend a whole page complaining how hard it is to find one that actually tastes right.... OK, now I'm going to complain about something else... all this talk of food made me hungry... Now I need to go make something to eat... Edited April 5, 2018 by Just Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Wishbone Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, Just Jim said: It's the marinade recipe itself... most places up north the exact recipe is a closely guarded secret, a lot like BBQ places down south. And I could spend a whole page complaining how hard it is to find one that actually tastes right.... OK, now I'm going to complain about something else... all this talk of food made me hungry... Now I need to go make something to eat... But if you grew up in that area, presumably you either have your own family recipe or you have family or trusted friends back there still that would give you one. Or are you that untrustworthy??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jim Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Johnny Wishbone said: But if you grew up in that area, presumably you either have your own family recipe or you have family or trusted friends back there still that would give you one. Or are you that untrustworthy??? I have one that is really close, yes... and that took forever to get my hands on. Of all the "Secret family recipes" I have, that one was probably the hardest to get. What blows me away... and this is my complaint part... is I don't understand why they haven't caught on around the rest of the country, especially when people are looking for new and relatively unknown things to try. No matter where I am, if I make them, people flip! I wish I had the $$$, and was 20 years younger, I'd try and start a place down here, preferably near a beach, because it's sort of finger food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adsii1970 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Ok, my complaint... Can't give any more likes today... Looks over at @Just Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Wishbone Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 29 minutes ago, Just Jim said: I have one that is really close, yes... and that took forever to get my hands on. Of all the "Secret family recipes" I have, that one was probably the hardest to get. What blows me away... and this is my complaint part... is I don't understand why they haven't caught on around the rest of the country, especially when people are looking for new and relatively unknown things to try. No matter where I am, if I make them, people flip! I wish I had the $$$, and was 20 years younger, I'd try and start a place down here, preferably near a beach, because it's sort of finger food. If it is anything like my “secret family recipes”, i’m willing to bet its all “a pinch of this” and “a touch of that” and “mix till it just feels right.” Which is why you can never get it to taste exactly like mom’s. Your pinch is different than hers. Your touch is different than hers. And she neglected to write down that “mixing till it feels right” really means “mix counter-clockwise while hopping on one foot and timing yourself by reciting the Lords Prayer and stopping on the word ‘trespasses’.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jim Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Johnny Wishbone said: If it is anything like my “secret family recipes”, i’m willing to bet its all “a pinch of this” and “a touch of that” and “mix till it just feels right.” Which is why you can never get it to taste exactly like mom’s. Your pinch is different than hers. Your touch is different than hers. And she neglected to write down that “mixing till it feels right” really means “mix counter-clockwise while hopping on one foot and timing yourself by reciting the Lords Prayer and stopping on the word ‘trespasses’.” Yes... exactly! I have a huge collection of old recipes, and many say exactly that! Add a pinch of this or a dash of that... yeah, right.... good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razark Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Johnny Wishbone said: If it is anything like my “secret family recipes”, i’m willing to bet its all “a pinch of this” and “a touch of that” and “mix till it just feels right.” I am annoyed by "old family recipes". So many of the ones I've received are a list of ingredients, sometimes with a measurement, and instructions like "bake in the usual way" or even just "cook". Some of the steps seemed strange (soak the onion in milk before simply adding it all to the mix?), until I took the time to think about the context they were written in. (Oh! Grandma used dried onion! That makes sense now!) Edited April 5, 2018 by razark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 7 hours ago, TheMadKraken2297 said: Sarcasm is the best defense... unless you want to be patient. Well, you don't want to be a jerk to the wrong person. Being a jerk to a jerk is fine - not really to anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qzgy Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 4 hours ago, Just Jim said: people flip! Wait, do they get really mad, or do awesome breakdancing moves or say its really good? Also, have any recipies I might be able to try? Even though I'm relatively close (Central NJ) I've never heard of these although they do sound good. And I personally would like to give making some a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jim Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 18 minutes ago, qzgy said: Wait, do they get really mad, or do awesome breakdancing moves or say its really good? Also, have any recipies I might be able to try? Even though I'm relatively close (Central NJ) I've never heard of these although they do sound good. And I personally would like to give making some a shot. Definitely happy-dancing. I've got a huge collection of recipes... I'll see if I can find the Spiedie marinade tomorrow... But again, I have a huge collection, including several old cookbooks... so I may very well be on here tomorrow complaining I can't find any of the ones I want to find... lol.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adsii1970 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Just Jim said: Definitely happy-dancing. I've got a huge collection of recipes... I'll see if I can find the Spiedie marinade tomorrow... But again, I have a huge collection, including several old cookbooks... so I may very well be on here tomorrow complaining I can't find any of the ones I want to find... lol.... Pass one this way. It's only been about 20 years since I had a little piece of heaven on earth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) @adsii1970, can you please explain the way how did the ancient shepherds invented the recipe of the most expensive coffee in the world?- Version 1. Did they follow every skunk and macaca tasting every found piece of caca? "Look! That civette just made a surprise. Let's taste it. Wow! Yummy! Let's use this in our cuisine." Version 2. Did they gather every seed of coffee found around? "Look! That ferret just made a surprise! Look-look! There are two coffee seeds inside let's extract and wash them, they are so tasty." Version 3. When you bake your bread, fry your meat, boil your tea on a dry dung fire (no other fuel at all), you see nothing special in this. But you won't of course gather every piece of substance after skunks, ferrets, macacas, civettes just to taste it. But if you : make medicines from the stuff you have at hands (including the fire ash, of course), and suddenly see that the civettes do like your goats do: they eat coffee seeds and leave their remains in their product,. then you just add 1 to 1 and get 2: this predator's things would add more magic to the ash (like leopard skin, lion teeth and so on if wear them), and of course this medicine should cost more. Spoiler ... and let your ancestors living 1000 years later get lulz telling the tourists how do they make this precious.They just don't know how the other coffee was first done. Tip. Rural people usually do usual things. They usually hate beat dislike people doing unusual things. Using ferret surprises for food, even frying them first, is a rather unusual thing. Even for a desert. Edited April 6, 2018 by kerbiloid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: Did they follow every skunk and macaca tasting every found piece of caca? "Look! That civette just made a surprise. Let's taste it. Wow! Yummy! Let's use this in our cuisine." Version 2. Did they gather every seed of coffee found around? "Look! That ferret just made a surprise! Look-look! There are two coffee seeds inside let's extract and wash them, they are so tasty." Actually, Kopi Luwak was a way to get more coffee; in colonial days, getting coffee is hard, so the locals gather more coffee from those "left" by palm civets (they know it's coffee). It's only a delicacy once you westerners overseer tasted it. Sort of the same with many other things down here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, YNM said: Actually, Kopi Luwak was a way to get more coffee; in colonial days, getting coffee is hard, so the locals gather more coffee from those "left" by palm civets (they know it's coffee). It's only a delicacy once you westerners overseer tasted it. That's how their far ancestors tell. And actually they have no idea, just heard this from somebody. Don't forget that every granny was a girl just 50 years ago, when people already began flying to space, and most of her stories are from old newspapers and films rather than from ancient ancestry. Just compare how much coffee seeds can be gathered from trees, from goats manure, and from civette gifts. It's uncomparable. Edited April 6, 2018 by kerbiloid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Just now, kerbiloid said: That's how their far ancestors tell. And actually they have no idea, just heard this from somebody. The colonial days was only 2 generations ago. 20 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: They usually hate beat dislike people doing unusual things. ...Including you coming down our lands and demanding monopoly on it. Bugger ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Just now, YNM said: The colonial days was only 2 generations ago. 2 generations = that 50 years. Most of folk songs had still living authors. Just nobody cares. 2 minutes ago, YNM said: ..Including you coming down our lands and demanding monopoly on it. Bugger ! Adding 2 seeds from civettes to 10 bags from trees and 1 bag from goats looks more like a prank for colonizators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: 2 generations = that 50 years. Most of folk songs had still living authors. Just nobody cares. Many folk songs don't even have an author. 5 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: Adding 2 seeds from civettes to 10 bags from trees and 1 bag from goats looks more like a prank for colonizators. You'd be dead in a week. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultivation_System Edited April 6, 2018 by YNM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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