Beccab Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, derega16 said: What're those red tile? Good question, I hadn't noticed them. They have some duct around them and zooming in I see some small stakes around the tile, so perhaps it was a tile with gap issues that is being put to the position it should be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derega16 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Beccab said: Good question, I hadn't noticed them. They have some duct around them and zooming in I see some small stakes around the tile, so perhaps it was a tile with gap issues that is being put to the position it should be? The problem is that all of them are on the same row with 7 normal black tile between each of them Edited September 5, 2021 by derega16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elthy Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Since they seem to be fixed in place with tape they are maybe ontop of something SpaceX has to access again. If thats the case i would guess the red color is simply to mark those tiles, propably that noone forgets to properly attach them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolotiyeruki Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Looking at the tiles on the aerocovers, it sure seems like SpaceX is having to do the same thing at STS did--while not every tile is unique, there sure are a lot of custom tile shapes over there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakaydos Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 57 minutes ago, zolotiyeruki said: Looking at the tiles on the aerocovers, it sure seems like SpaceX is having to do the same thing at STS did--while not every tile is unique, there sure are a lot of custom tile shapes over there! "Everything should be as simple as possible- and NO MORE SIMPLE THAN THAT." -Albert Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minmus Taster Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 3 hours ago, derega16 said: What're those red tile? The tiles that have red tape on them are probably to indicate a tile needs to be replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXBLOX Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 8 hours ago, Beccab said: Sea Level Raptors 69, 73 and 78 reached the launch site to be mounted on S20, hopefully this time to stay! meanwhile, work continues What happens to those lift hardpoints on the nosecone? Do they fold in, or are they removed, or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 48 minutes ago, SOXBLOX said: What happens to those lift hardpoints on the nosecone? Do they fold in, or are they removed, or what? I believe they fold in before being covered by specially-shaped TPS sections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 39 minutes ago, SOXBLOX said: What happens to those lift hardpoints on the nosecone? Do they fold in, or are they removed, or what? Looking at it zoomed in they will be an problem, they does not fold in as its no slot below the pad they rest on and you will need to remove the shackle anyway. So they have to be removed to the lower shackle and can then be covered with an plate with TP panels on. Downside is that this has to be done after stacking so 100 meter up. Now its possible the design will change before launch, having an detachable upper part and and the bottom acting like an hatch with TP who closes the hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, magnemoe said: Looking at it zoomed in they will be an problem, they does not fold in as its no slot below the pad they rest on and you will need to remove the shackle anyway. So they have to be removed to the lower shackle and can then be covered with an plate with TP panels on. Downside is that this has to be done after stacking so 100 meter up. Now its possible the design will change before launch, having an detachable upper part and and the bottom acting like an hatch with TP who closes the hole. It definitely won't change before S20 launch, but it's one of the things that they plan to use Mechazilla for. The easiest change, which should be possible for the S25 series already, would be lifting Ship around with the cranes the same way as now when it needs to go around Starbase, then cover the lifting points before stacking and take it up to above Booster by grabbing it from the flaps. Later on it could probably be improved again to allow lifting without removing the heat shield tiles at all even when it needs to be put above an SPMT if necessary, but that's longer term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Little bit of info, the manager of nextspaceflight.com confirmed that at least one of the engines that have been brought to Starbase for likely S20 installation was used in the fit check while the others are unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 When you've passed the whole day writing those tiny "ok" on the tiles and the turn is almost over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKI Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Beccab said: When you've passed the whole day writing those tiny "ok" on the tiles and the turn is almost over Probably going "meh, just (star)ship this thing already!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 It's not clear to me what happened to all those tiles. Did they do something that caused them to break or shift? (Pressure testing or something?) Or did they just not install them correctly in the first place? Either answer is problematical. Either it means the design is not robust (yet) or it means the installation process is not of sufficient quality (yet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 4 hours ago, mikegarrison said: It's not clear to me what happened to all those tiles. Did they do something that caused them to break or shift? (Pressure testing or something?) Or did they just not install them correctly in the first place? Either answer is problematical. Either it means the design is not robust (yet) or it means the installation process is not of sufficient quality (yet). Neither, the problem was that they continued applying them in a rush out of the high bay. We know that they already had extra tiles when the stacking was supposed to happen, so they filled the big hole that there was in the heat shield fast and at the launch site before stacking. The rest of the ship has next to zero broken tiles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 10 hours ago, Beccab said: When you've passed the whole day writing those tiny "ok" on the tiles and the turn is almost over A bit later they will upgrade this to a stamp, But this needs time. Spoiler 5 hours ago, mikegarrison said: It's not clear to me what happened to all those tiles. Did they do something that caused them to break or shift? (Pressure testing or something?) Or did they just not install them correctly in the first place? Or the thermal expansion did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 10 hours ago, Beccab said: To quote myself from the other thread, OK, this is savage considering Rogozin's recent overtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Beccab said: Neither, the problem was that they continued applying them in a rush out of the high bay. We know that they already had extra tiles when the stacking was supposed to happen, so they filled the big hole that there was in the heat shield fast and at the launch site before stacking. The rest of the ship has next to zero broken tiles Well, that sounds a lot like "they just did not install them correctly in the first place". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, mikegarrison said: Well, that sounds a lot like "they just did not install them correctly in the first place". Yes, but luckily, the process is correct if the rest of the ship is to be taken as example. It's the rushing that ruined it mostly, plus perhaps also the oddity of the shape of the nosecone and the fact that it was the first time installing there (the barrel had already seen installation on SN10,11 and 15 and it's all the same). We'll just have to wait and see how it goes in S21+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 23 minutes ago, mikegarrison said: Well, that sounds a lot like "they just did not install them correctly in the first place". Of course they didn’t. This is the first time we’ve seen a tiled nosecone at all, there’s going to be a learning process rife with mistakes. That’s how they learn. We’ve seen plenty of other false starts that went straight to the scrapyard because they didn’t turn out quite right, big difference here is they can fix it instead of just starting over. Remember how rough the Mk-x’s and early SNs looked compared to today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 S20 has raptors on it again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) https://www.netflix.com/it/title/81441273?trkid=13747225&s=i&vlang=en&clip=81475396 Episodes 1 and 2 of the netflix documentary are out, unfortunately I don't have netflix so if anyone watches it post how it is here Edit: people on reddit seem to like it Edited September 6, 2021 by Beccab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minmus Taster Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Beccab said: https://www.netflix.com/it/title/81441273?trkid=13747225&s=i&vlang=en&clip=81475396 Episodes 1 and 2 of the netflix documentary are out, unfortunately I don't have netflix so if anyone watches it post how it is here Edit: people on reddit seem to like it Great! can't wait to watch it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Interesting news on the S20 plans (from the usual spacex insider): - "No thrust tests for S20. Straight to 3 engine fitting, air pressure test, then N2 cryo, then statics. 3 Rvac fitting, and statics for those too." - "Can't do all 6 [raptors] together on the stand. It would be like testing the Space Shuttle tied to a picnic bench." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, Beccab said: "Can't do all 6 [raptors] together on the stand. It would be like testing the Space Shuttle tied to a picnic bench." Should try six. Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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