sevenperforce Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 13 hours ago, tater said: Dayum. That's beyond amazing to see. Especially in the way it picks up the entry burn. 13 hours ago, tater said: And that's even more amazing to see. Come on, let's light this candle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, sevenperforce said: Come on, let's light this candle! Wonder how tight they can get the launch date once they actually get ready? I need about a 15 hour warning (more if I want to stop for a meal). Least if I take my son out of school for it, he can do half the driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, tater said: Wonder how tight they can get the launch date once they actually get ready? I need about a 15 hour warning (more if I want to stop for a meal). Least if I take my son out of school for it, he can do half the driving. My oldest son is just under 10 so I'll have to do it all myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngrybobH Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 hours ago, tater said: I need about a 15 hour warning Yeah, funny that I live in west Texas and I need an 8 hour lead time. I would love to be there when it goes (or goes off). Wife and kid aren't even remotely interested so, a solo drive for me. On that note, they did say they were not going to do road closures on the weekends, right? And that means a monday to friday only launch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 21 hours ago, tater said: The environment is worse for static fire than launch. Tile loses have been greater lower on SS, and SS will be farther from the SH engines by a lot—and it has a high launch stand, etc. They don't have to recover to know if the TPS worked, they have to see the vehicle after peak heating intact, not as a cloud of debris. That tells you the TPS works at some level. Future vehicle recovery helps from there. It's not irrelevant at all. There are many plausible TPS strategies for rapidly reusable vehicles. All were tested and simulated short of flight at some level—but the proof of actual efficacy requires reentering. Suggesting one never actually used TPS concept instead of another never actually used TPS concept can certainly be argued, but neither can be said to be better, as neither has any real world data. Also, I'm pretty sure the TPS guys at SpaceX are not idiots. They may be barking up the wrong tree, but they are not brain dead, their concept must have some decent data behind it. A copy of something show to be effective is fine—you know it can work. Starship TPS will very likely iterate as it's something from this project that has literally never been done before (zero refurb reuse). Yes many says launch is less a problem than static fires, and yes they plan to have cameras in the fuel tanks to watch the inside during reentry. It might be smart to have an cubesat taking images of it in space but I assume the heat spots tells most of it. The metallic tiles sounds better and perhaps more fitting for SS, looks like it was solid bolted on for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, tater said: I have to wonder what the ultimate solution is for the crane attachments on the nose. I think they keep the crane attachments in place until they are ready to actually launch, and then they remove them and put on the tile cover sections before final stacking. Until they are ready to actually launch, those crane hooks remain the only way of lifting other than the chopsticks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Already preparing for destacking ops it seems Edited October 12, 2022 by Beccab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 37 minutes ago, sevenperforce said: Until they are ready to actually launch, those crane hooks remain the only way of lifting other than the chopsticks. Yeah, I was thinking later, with "rapid reuse." In general it seems like it could be moved onto the transporter using the hardpoints. The trick is getting it to the test stand then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, tater said: Yeah, I was thinking later, with "rapid reuse." In general it seems like it could be moved onto the transporter using the hardpoints. The trick is getting it to the test stand then. I don't think anything other than the chopsticks can utilize the hardpoints. You end up with too many degrees of freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, sevenperforce said: I don't think anything other than the chopsticks can utilize the hardpoints. You end up with too many degrees of freedom. Unless they built a ship test stand with chopsticks, or some sort of platform they could drop on the OLM and use it to test ships... Edited October 12, 2022 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutabaga22 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Today I'm the one to bring the news! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Maybe just fixing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 And it is restacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CatastrophicFailure Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 8 hours ago, sevenperforce said: My oldest son is just under 10 so I'll have to do it all myself. Nah, just glue some bricks to his shoes, you’re all good. Couldn’t do any worse than the other fools on the road these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tellurium128 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Hello Everybody! Dont know if anyone discussed it here,but i will. When we saw B7 rollout i almost immediately had a question about new outer engine thermal shielding,it appears that it is only a thin layer of foil.So will we see a rollback to Highbay after finishing test campaign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, Tellurium128 said: When we saw B7 rollout i almost immediately had a question about new outer engine thermal shielding,it appears that it is only a thin layer of foil.So will we see a rollback to Highbay after finishing test campaign? Up the thread I posted a tweet where someone was saying that they'd do some testing on this stack, then send the vehicles back to the production site to be finalized before going back to the pad to launch—Elon Musk liked that tweet, so I 'd say "yes." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotius Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 How did they solved joint stiffening issue if suit is only "slightly bulkier"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/12/2022 at 11:55 AM, sevenperforce said: My oldest son is just under 10 so I'll have to do it all myself. Only what, 12 hours to KSC for FH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terwin Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 51 minutes ago, Scotius said: How did they solved joint stiffening issue if suit is only "slightly bulkier"? I have heard that mechanical counter-pressure may help reduce the bulk of space suits. servo-assisted bending could also counter stiffening, I suspect. In any case, if they work well with only a slight bulk increase, it could be quite a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Scotius said: How did they solved joint stiffening issue if suit is only "slightly bulkier"? There's some speculation/hope/indication that they may have some integrated mechanical joints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, sevenperforce said: There's some speculation/hope/indication that they may have some integrated mechanical joints. That seems likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunlitZelkova Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 hours ago, tater said: Only what, 12 hours to KSC for FH? Nice. Mengtian on the LM-5B is targeted for the same day, so we may get two HLLVs launching on one day. When Scott Manley does his videos recapping launches over the month, it is crazy how it is practically one Falcon 9 and one Long March variant per week. Musk isn’t kidding when he says he views China as his competitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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