Kerwood Floyd Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 27 minutes ago, StrandedonEarth said: ... or even SSSU flights will be in danger of becoming routine... Sorry. Can you expand SSSU for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AckSed Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 4 minutes ago, Kerwood Floyd said: Sorry. Can you expand SSSU for me? A mis-type of SSSH AKA StarShip/SuperHeavy, perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerwood Floyd Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Thanks. Yeah, that was my best guess, but I don't like guessing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 2 hours ago, AckSed said: A mis-type of SSSH AKA StarShip/SuperHeavy, perhaps? Yeah, bingo. Didn’t catch that thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 A trunkful of SuperDracos and hydrazine, I’d wager… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Superdracos would break the ISS into bits. It'll be standard Dracos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 hour ago, RCgothic said: Superdracos would break the ISS into bits. It'll be standard Dracos. Well, depends how many Superdracos, at what throttle setting. A low throttle for the majority of the burn, with a final full-blast kick at the end (when it's in the re-entry corridor) to break it up, since that is the general idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubinator Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 I still find myself wishing they could find a way to put it in a museum. But I know that to bring it back would take the same amount of effort that was taken to send it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minmus Taster Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 23 minutes ago, cubinator said: I still find myself wishing they could find a way to put it in a museum. But I know that to bring it back would take the same amount of effort that was taken to send it up. Maybe starship can bring a module or two down? Justify it by claiming it's to study the long term effects of space on the hardware? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 (edited) 2 hours ago, Minmus Taster said: Maybe starship can bring a module or two down? Justify it by claiming it's to study the long term effects of space on the hardware? They should at least send up a professional team with 3D scanning equipment and cameras to fully capture the interior so a hi-res VR can be made of it. In fact, why the frack have they not already done this? It would have been a great PR thing to do. Imagine being in a swimming pool with a VR scuba mask and scuba gear and swimming through the ISS. They could have been generating a lot of interest over the years, even with low res VR from 10 years ago Edited June 29 by darthgently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Vandenberg launch in under an hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 35 minutes ago, darthgently said: They should at least send up a professional team with 3D scanning equipment and cameras to fully capture the interior so a hi-res VR can be made of it. In fact, why the frack have they not already done this? It would have been a great PR thing to do. Imagine being in a swimming pool with a VR scuba mask and scuba gear and swimming through the ISS. They could have been generating a lot of interest over the years, even with low res VR from 10 years ago It isn't really proper VR, but they sent up some 360 degree cameras a while back and there's a sort of VR/360 experience on the Quest. I assume you've probably seen the google maps ISS too. But yeah, it would be amazing to get a proper VR environment of the station. My hope now for returning the whole ISS is now all but gone, but maybe they can at least return the Cupola or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codraroll Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 9 hours ago, darthgently said: They should at least send up a professional team with 3D scanning equipment and cameras to fully capture the interior so a hi-res VR can be made of it. In fact, why the frack have they not already done this? It would have been a great PR thing to do. Imagine being in a swimming pool with a VR scuba mask and scuba gear and swimming through the ISS. They could have been generating a lot of interest over the years, even with low res VR from 10 years ago The ISS is on Google Street View, if you know where to look for it. That's not quite the same, but still. But yeah, I think it would be vastly easier to build a full-scale replica ISS for museum purposes than to try to save the one in orbit. It would not be the same, but it would be similar enough for a fraction of the fraction of the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Codraroll said: The ISS is on Google Street View, if you know where to look for it. That's not quite the same, but still. But yeah, I think it would be vastly easier to build a full-scale replica ISS for museum purposes than to try to save the one in orbit. It would not be the same, but it would be similar enough for a fraction of the fraction of the price. Is there a mock-up for trouble shooting? Probably not given its size and all the changes over the years. And cost. Always cost Edited June 29 by darthgently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 2 hours ago, Codraroll said: try to save the one in orbit Irradiated mutant bacteria from spaaaace being brought back to Earth? What could go wrong? Panik https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/ames/ames-science/ames-space-biosciences/multi-drug-resistant-bacteria-found-on-iss-mutating-to-become-functionally-distinct/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubinator Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 2 hours ago, darthgently said: Is there a mock-up for trouble shooting? Probably not given its size and all the changes over the years. And cost. Always cost Closest thing is probably the one in the NBL pool and its counterparts. I'm pretty sure that's split into various sections, but is complete enough for the astronauts to climb around on and practice whatever they need to. 3 hours ago, Codraroll said: But yeah, I think it would be vastly easier to build a full-scale replica ISS for museum purposes than to try to save the one in orbit. It would not be the same, but it would be similar enough for a fraction of the fraction of the price. I agree, a museum replica would offer almost all the educational value of the real thing, aside from stuff like "that scratch came from a micrometeor strike back in 2015 etc. etc." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PakledHostage Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Bringing a piece down in order to study the effects of a couple decades of exposure to the space environment (e.g. thermal cycles, micro-meteorites, etc) isn't a bad idea. If we want to go to Mars, we're going to have to be able to build spacecraft that are resilient to that environment for years without external assistance. That is yet to be done. (This idea has precedent. The older 737 classics were given a hard service life limit after studies of the lap joints revealed irreparable microscopic damage. The studies were done on sections of airframe cut out of aircraft that had been in service for decades.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Bringing down a couple of modules on Starship sounds entirely realistic to me. Perhaps not easy, or cheap, but “we choose to do the things because they are hard” & all that. Could be a good excuse to demonstrate robotic construction tech, use that instead of EVAs to disconnect the various fittings. Doesn’t need to be pretty or maintain function, after all, and if something gets damaged it’s all going in the drink anyway. Someone did a plot of IFT-4’s reentry loading and it only peaked around 1.5G, ISS modules should have no trouble withstanding that. At the very least an off-the-shelf crew Starship could strip most of the interior, maybe the Coupola, for recovery. Even that would be a, well, coup… Mockups in a museum just aren’t the same as even a piece of the genuine article. Cue Indiana Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 7 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said: Irradiated mutant bacteria from spaaaace being brought back to Earth? What could go wrong? Panik https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/ames/ames-science/ames-space-biosciences/multi-drug-resistant-bacteria-found-on-iss-mutating-to-become-functionally-distinct/ Well, in that case, if a battery can survive reentry, could a mutant bacteria survive embedded deep enough in surviving debris? Andromeda Strain II This time it is coming from inside your own SOI! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terwin Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 On 6/29/2024 at 6:49 AM, Codraroll said: The ISS is on Google Street View, if you know where to look for it. That's not quite the same, but still. But yeah, I think it would be vastly easier to build a full-scale replica ISS for museum purposes than to try to save the one in orbit. It would not be the same, but it would be similar enough for a fraction of the fraction of the price. I remember walking through one of those during one of my NASA visits. I think it was at Houston, but it might have been the cape , or possibly even the infinity science center just east of Louisiana on I10. Ah, it was the infinity science center, and they just have a mock-up of the destiny module: https://www.visitinfinity.com/galleries-exhibits/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 It's a short, watch til the end. Is the space industry any different really? It's all about those gravity well blues, trying different things, failing faster, getting back up, and doing it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 On 7/2/2024 at 6:51 AM, darthgently said: til the end And of course the guy who finally makes it... Makes it look easy. Yep. Good analogy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannu2 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 On 7/2/2024 at 3:51 PM, darthgently said: It's a short, watch til the end. Is the space industry any different really? It's all about those gravity well blues, trying different things, failing faster, getting back up, and doing it again It is very different, unfortunately. This kind of attitude that we should try things, take risks and accept losses, both money and lives, lacks completely in whole civilized world at these times. Now politicians calculate prestige and companies profits and porce of failura is set to ridiculous. Everyone knows that space industry would not be tecnomagic at all and it would increase production of everything by orders of magnitudes but investments are negligible. Couple of states build political pork systems and on eccentric billionaire try something. Most other companies just want to get their share of states' pork money. I think humans do not achieve any significant steps in space operations or industrial utilization before we get pioneering attitude of exploration era back. We should build ships and send heroic expeditions to almost hopeless missions until some come back with all the presitige for funders and data needed to make next operation more safely and productively. It do not work as business. It must be ideologically driven process. There will be huge business later but timescale and risks are so high that it is not good investment in modern quarter year economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deddly Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Who is talking about accepting the loss of life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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