cubinator Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 42 minutes ago, Xd the great said: Will BO launch people with scientific payloads? So, passengers can theorectically mess with these payloads... Tourist launches would be just tourists. I'm sure they can find six people to fill up a pod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Xd the great said: Will BO launch people with scientific payloads? So, passengers can theorectically mess with these payloads... IIRC, the experiment racks are located in a separate compartment from the passengers. I don't know if they envision people buying whole launches for running interactive experiments, but I would guess they would be OK with that if they had launch slots available. Edit: I was only partly correct. https://www.blueorigin.com/new-shepard/new-shepard-payloads/ They do offer standardized racks for payload in the cabin and also payload exposed to the ambient (lack of) atmosphere. Edited May 3, 2019 by mikegarrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reactordrone Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 hour ago, mikegarrison said: IIRC, the experiment racks are located in a separate compartment from the passengers. I don't know if they envision people buying whole launches for running interactive experiments, but I would guess they would be OK with that if they had launch slots available. Edit: I was only partly correct. https://www.blueorigin.com/new-shepard/new-shepard-payloads/ They do offer standardized racks for payload in the cabin and also payload exposed to the ambient (lack of) atmosphere. You'd think people bouncing off the walls would mess up any zero g experiment that's attached to the vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nightside Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Seems like better accuracy than the last one I watched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tater Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Bezos talk today. They haven't figured out that this stuff should stream... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1126587088655331329 (he also apparently said that New Shepard would fit inside the fairing) Says can operate by 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ultimate Steve Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Does anyone know the expected timeframe for operational use? If it's projected to be flight ready by 2022 or early 2023 then I think we know who may win NASA's crew lander competition... Depending, of course, on capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 He said they could build the human one by 2024. Be-7 Quote BE-7 is an additively manufactured, high-performance, dual-expander cycle engine, generating 40 kN (10,000 lbf) thrust. We are maturing the design, manufacturing hardware and about to begin hotfiring the engine. We’re also developing an integrated testbed under NASA’s Tipping Point award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 So, they have been working on this for three years if I remember what I read correctly. The New Glenn is also planned to be man rated, so I'd guess that they have a large crew capsule in development as well. Maybe large for tourism, or smaller for beyond LEO applications... If it's the latter, then I could imagine that with some orbital assembly, a New Glenn manned lunar mission could be done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Which capsule will they be launching New Glenn with, for manned missions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Xd the great said: Which capsule will they be launching New Glenn with, for manned missions? They haven't announced that yet, but I'd imagine a new BO developed capsule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ultimate Steve said: They haven't announced that yet, but I'd imagine a new BO developed capsule. This is what they were working on a long time ago: Biconic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tater Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) Blue Moon masses 15 tonnes wet, and he said ~3t dry. So the props are ~12 tonnes. Using a middle of the road hydrolox Isp of 450, that gives this thing some 4500 m/s of dv with a 3.6 tonne payload. NG can get this to GTO, it can then use a couple km/2 to get to LLO by itself, and still have over 2 km/s to land. Looks like the larger stack with the crew ascent vehicle can actually do a RT from GTO to the lunar surface via Gateway (otw, and back) if it masses ~30.6t. NG can't quite get this thing to close in one launch (it's maybe 400m/s shy), but the 3-stage version almost certainly can. Edited May 10, 2019 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Also, it's important to note that this has something akin to ULA's IVF. They want to take the H2 boiloff, and use it to first cool the LOX tanks, then use it in fuel cells to provide some 2.5kW of power (some of which can then be used to actively cool, presumably). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brotoro Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I like how the lander bays all have labels like "AVIONICS" and "PAYLOAD" and "FUEL CELLS". I wonder if one of the bays around back is labeled "SNACKS". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Spoiler They should add two more plastic windows in front, to keep the air inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegolius13 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I haven't had a chance to watch the full webcast yet, but was there any info on the ascent engine for the human version? From the rendering it looks like it could be another BE-7, but hard to say. Seems a little surprising they would not go with hypergolics for that one, but obviously they feel pretty comfortable with hyrdolox at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racescort666 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 9 hours ago, tater said: NG can't quite get this thing to close in one launch (it's maybe 400m/s shy), but the 3-stage version almost certainly can. Many months back when we were speculating NG performance, I was strongly convinced that BO is sandbagging their performance numbers. Me being wrong isn't out of the question but it definitely looks like they have significant margin to make up 400 m/s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Why did they skip BE-5 and -6? Possibility of more secret unannounced engines in the works? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) In addition, with Blue Moon (BM, haha!) BO also put themselves in a good position to launch the gateway module. Edited May 10, 2019 by Ultimate Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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