KSP killed my computer

[RealKerbal3x]

8 minutes ago, Curveball Anders said:

In my opinion KSP _is_ poorly designed.

But if a software kills your hardware then the hardware is poorly designed.

 

Fair point

[Vexillar]

15 hours ago, LordFerret said:

 



Either that's an actual bunny-shaped dust bunny, or else the Kraken has transmogrified itself into our universe.  (I'll leave it to the reader to work out the significance of the helical threaded fixer.)

[LordFerret]

13 hours ago, Curveball Anders said:

No software can kill your computer, unless the computer is poorly designed.

 

 

13 hours ago, RealKerbal3x said:

And in my opinion KSP is not poorly designed.

 

13 hours ago, Curveball Anders said:

In my opinion KSP _is_ poorly designed.

But if a software kills your hardware then the hardware is poorly designed.

 

 

The way I see it, EVERYTHING these days is poorly designed. Never in my life have I known a time such as now (these past 20 years), where everything (computers, phones, cars, planes, you name it - even people) requires constant updates, some of which I see being every single stinking day (hello Google & Microsoft & Apple, that's you). A hundred plus years from now, people will look back upon this time and hold the belief that people of this era were totally ignorant and didn't know what the hell they were doing with anything, as it shows... we're an era in testament of incompetence, leaving endless chains of updates to shoddy developed products which never should have been allowed out the door as proof, all shots in the dark mostly misses.

And this all happens because.......... People accept it. All that crap you just can't live and go a day without.

 

You only get what you accept, and if you accept it, for sure you're going to get it.

[Zeiss Ikon]

On 6/1/2018 at 1:50 AM, LordFerret said:

 

 

 

The way I see it, EVERYTHING these days is poorly designed. Never in my life have I known a time such as now (these past 20 years), where everything (computers, phones, cars, planes, you name it - even people) requires constant updates, some of which I see being every single stinking day (hello Google & Microsoft & Apple, that's you). A hundred plus years from now, people will look back upon this time and hold the belief that people of this era were totally ignorant and didn't know what the hell they were doing with anything, as it shows... we're an era in testament of incompetence, leaving endless chains of updates to shoddy developed products which never should have been allowed out the door as proof, all shots in the dark mostly misses.

And this all happens because.......... People accept it. All that crap you just can't live and go a day without.

 

You only get what you accept, and if you accept it, for sure you're going to get it.

People a hundred (or maybe two hundred) years from now will look back and wonder how we got anything done with computing devices and systems, before we invented self-correcting software.  Maybe one of their cyber-archaeologists will find references to frequent software updates, and maybe, if they do, someone will figure out that these things were ESSENTIAL to living a life dependent on computing with software that's created by humans.  If there's a problem, it has more to do with becoming too dependent on computers to run everything (how many young folks do you know who can't drive to the grocery store without Google Maps?) than it has with shoddy software.  It's not actually possible to make bug-free software larger than a few hundred lines of code.  The best you can do is make things fault-tolerant, trap all the errors you can think of (or your testers can generate), and pump out updates as fast as you can in hopes you fix the next game-breaker before some hacker uses it to ship everyone in North America a free subscription to Hustler.

[LordFerret]

2 hours ago, Zeiss Ikon said:

It's not actually possible to make bug-free software larger than a few hundred lines of code.

This I have to disagree with. Been there. Been a part of it. Done that... on the order of hundreds of thousands... entire systems, where composition of subsystems totals well into millions.

 

2 hours ago, Zeiss Ikon said:

game-breaker

This I think is the problem. With games, (and nearly all Microsoft products), releasing buggy untested software is a given and viewed as acceptable. Out there in the real world however, industrial systems, medical systems, military systems, testing is on the order of months - even years... especially when lives are at stake and billions in investment. I think another problem 'today' is the use of black-box utilities... Unity for example. I'm willing to bet 98% of those using Unity have absolutely no clue as to what goes on inside the black-box they're calling; They just pass and tweak parameters until they get the desired effect... which is fine until someone breaks it. Plenty of other examples to go around in this respect, but you get my point.

Edited June 5, 2018 by LordFerret
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[GDJ]

2 hours ago, Zeiss Ikon said:

........The best you can do is make things fault-tolerant, trap all the errors you can think of (or your testers can generate), and pump out updates as fast as you can in hopes you fix the next game-breaker before some hacker uses it to ship everyone in North America a free subscription to Hustler.

Well, that wouldn't be too bad actually.

As for the OP's claim of KSP killing his computer, I've played KSP on a G3 iMac (500 MHz), a Core2duo iMac (2.4 GHz), and now a twin-core i5 Mac Mini (2.4 GHz with throttling up to 3.2 GHz with multithreading). The G3 was the closest I've come to cooking a processor simply because it didn't have any cooling fans, but it still (to this day at a friends house) keeps trucking along, playing movies, helping his kids do their homework, and playing music.

The only thing that cooks processors is heat. Working the ever living crap out of it won't itself, but working the ever living crap out of it with a poor or clogged cooling system will.

Just vacuum it out every 3 months. I do that with everything, even my Playstation 2 (yeah I still have one) and other electronics.

Only my tube amplifier on my stereo gets cleaned more often.

[Lisias]

On 6/1/2018 at 2:50 AM, LordFerret said:

A hundred plus years from now, people will look back upon this time and hold the belief that people of this era were totally ignorant and didn't know what the hell they were doing with anything, as it shows... 

You're an optimistic. You believe our technological society will survive this mess.

I think that in a hundred years we will be back to the Dark Ages, restarting from scratch. 

If we don't get into Mars by 2025 or 2030, we won't get there at all.

Edited June 5, 2018 by Lisias
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[LordFerret]

11 hours ago, Lisias said:

You're an optimistic. You believe our technological society will survive this mess.

LOL... actually I'm quite the pessimist!... or so I've always been told. Back in the day, being such was what allowed me to excel in my job.

I don't believe we going to survive much of anything, or at least the majority of the world population that is. I believe we're headed back into another dark age. Colonizing the Moon or Mars or anywhere isn't going to help 'us' any, because we can't survive each other together as it is.

[Tyko]

3 hours ago, LordFerret said:

LOL... actually I'm quite the pessimist!... or so I've always been told. Back in the day, being such was what allowed me to excel in my job.

I don't believe we going to survive much of anything, or at least the majority of the world population that is. I believe we're headed back into another dark age. Colonizing the Moon or Mars or anywhere isn't going to help 'us' any, because we can't survive each other together as it is.

If the world were to collapse I don't think we'd have sufficient capabilities within the next couple hundred years for a Mars or Moon base to survive. I just don't think we can make them entirely self sufficient. Even if the capability is there we'd need the motivation of knowing things are about to go to hell to put in the effort of making them so. See SevenEves by Neal Stephenson

https://www.nealstephenson.com/seveneves.html