Kerbal Space Program Update 1.5 Grand Discussion thread

[Kroslev Kerman]

maybe a 1.5.2 idea would be Solid fuel tanks because we need longer SRBs!

[Gaba_Kerman]

9 minutes ago, Kroslev Kerman said:

maybe a 1.5.2 idea would be Solid fuel tanks because we need longer SRBs!

I agree! it would allow for more precise SRB burns too.

[Omaha]

12 hours ago, Lisias said:

Well, KSP is a game, being one of its goals to be fun - and ludicrous is fun. So… Yeah, I take KSP way any time.

The game tries to be fun but it has always been rather realistic.  If you want to do anything of consequence, i.e. interplanetary travel--whether you do it by sitting down and doing math or using mods or whatever--you need to come up with a delta-V budget and build a vehicle that provides it.  Then you need to execute that mission using simulated rocket engine burns at the right spot.  You need to plan transfer orbits and plan for launch windows.  You can't ludicrous your way through space.

But then when you get there, it's OK to have super bouncy clown landing legs because it's a silly game?  Eh...  you can't have it both ways. 

I agree that the landing legs bounce too much.  The purpose of the legs is the absorb the impact and slow the vehicle down so that the equipment and crew aren't subjected to rapid deceleration.  Normally the legs would then stay mostly compressed.  The problem is KSP's legs then push back with a tremendous amount of force and expand again, producing a bounce on the vehicle.  I think Mike is right--it makes it feel like the spacecraft has no mass.

[Lisias]

35 minutes ago, Omaha said:

But then when you get there, it's OK to have super bouncy clown landing legs because it's a silly game?  Eh...  you can't have it both ways. 

Yes, we can. In fact, we already have. We call it KSP.  

I would be playing Orbiter if I would want to have "serious" simulation. I play KSP by somewhat the same reason I had play LEGO as a kid: I want to build things that resemble real life, without really having all the complexity of real life. Abstractions are needed, and every time you abstract something, you loose some of the reality. How much, it's up to you to choose.

Too much reality would spoil the game. There's a reason Kerbals "poof" when dying, instead of some more realistic, gruesome way.

 

36 minutes ago, Omaha said:

The purpose of the legs is the absorb the impact and slow the vehicle down so that the equipment and crew aren't subjected to rapid deceleration.  Normally the legs would then stay mostly compressed.  The problem is KSP's legs then push back with a tremendous amount of force and expand again, producing a bounce on the vehicle.  I think Mike is right--it makes it feel like the spacecraft has no mass.

What you describe is a problem with the dumpers. It appears to me that the 'dump model" was tailored to be used by aircraft landing gears.

Perhaps some adjustment on the values accepted by the Dumpers would be enough to accomplish what you want - but I'm guessing, this is something that the guy that wrote the code can tell for sure.

But, perhaps, you need to design your crafts to the parts you have. I had to do it more than once due landing gears (I play aircrafts a lot more than spacecrafts), and this is also part of the game: cranking up your designs to the limitations of the current parts, instead of trying to make the game behave the way your designs need it.

[Rover 6428]

How many more versions are there going to be? Is there a FINAL release to look forward to?

[Terwin]

11 minutes ago, Rover6428 said:

How many more versions are there going to be? Is there a FINAL release to look forward to?

There will be new versions until T2I decides to abandon this version of the game.

At that point, it will end up as 'whatever that last release was' possibly without critically needed hot-fixes, depending on the timing of the T2I decision.

(this could be part of why SQUAD is now making minor releases hot-fix only, to make the chances of the last released version being 'bad' as small as possible, as they have no real control over what T2I decides and when)

 

[Rover 6428]

9 minutes ago, Terwin said:

There will be new versions until T2I decides to abandon this version of the game.

At that point, it will end up as 'whatever that last release was' possibly without critically needed hot-fixes, depending on the timing of the T2I decision.

(this could be part of why SQUAD is now making minor releases hot-fix only, to make the chances of the last released version being 'bad' as small as possible, as they have no real control over what T2I decides and when)

 

Great! I am quite tired of not being able to have mods for a while and not miss out on new stuff!

[Terwin]

18 hours ago, Rover6428 said:

Great! I am quite tired of not being able to have mods for a while and not miss out on new stuff!

What mods are you using that actually broke going from 1.4 to 1.5?

I was under the impression that very few mods were affected by this update, and most of those are already updated.

[linuxgurugamer]

On 10/15/2018 at 4:44 PM, TriggerAu said:

The previous mk1Pod is still there in GameData, you could unhide it if you want to return to it, we also stored a number of the deprecated parts in GameData/Squad/zDeprecated for those interested

Is the zDeprecated read by KSP at startup?  I need some textures from the old parts, which apparently are in the zDeprecated directory, but I can't seem to access them.  The following code:

	MODEL
	{
		model = SXT/Parts/Rocketry/Engine/J2Engine/model
		texture = model000 , Squad/Parts/Engine/liquidEngineLV-T45/model000
		texture = model001 , Squad/Parts/Engine/liquidEngineLV-T45/model001	
		//texture = model004 , Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model000
		//texture = model005_NRM , Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model001

		texture = model004 , Squad/zDeprecated/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800_v1/model000
		texture = model005_NRM , Squad/zDeprecated/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800_v1/model001
		
		scale = 0.46 , 0.5 , 0.46
	}

is giving me the following errors:

PartLoader: Compiling Part 'SXT/Parts/Rocketry/Engine/J2Engine/part/SXTLT80'
PartCompiler: Cannot replace texture 'model004' as cannot find texture 'Squad/zDeprecated/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800_v1/model000' to replace with
PartCompiler: Cannot replace texture 'model005_NRM' as cannot find texture 'Squad/zDeprecated/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800_v1/model001' to replace with

I see this in another mod as well.

[Gaba_Kerman]

Is there going to be another parts addon to stock?

[Clockworkbot]

Please can you look into optimizing the physics next? Its so hard to build bases when parts randomly explode on the surface of moons and planets. Also the FPS becomes so very bad when there a a few more parts involved. Feels like nothing to do, I dont feel like going to duna, as there is nothing to do once I get there. A fix to the physics would make larger stations and bases possible.

[Rover 6428]

Please make the Stock Visual Enhancements or any other enhancements stock!!!

[Curveball Anders]

2 hours ago, Rover6428 said:

Please make the Stock Visual Enhancements or any other enhancements stock!!!

Please don't unless they're made optional.

 

[MikeO89]

I agree, I don't want them stock. I personally like the stock game look better than I do the stock visual enhancements mod. Make it optional if putting it in.

[Chel]

27 minutes ago, MikeO89 said:

I agree, I don't want them stock. I personally like the stock game look better than I do the stock visual enhancements mod. Make it optional if putting it in.

Ye. KSP's graphics give it an old, slightly charming feel. And besides, if graphics were completely overhauled, my framerate (as low as it already is), would be absolutely murdered.

[Rover 6428]

20 hours ago, Curveball Anders said:

Please don't unless they're made optional.

 

but why??? They make the game so more aesthetically better

[RealKerbal3x]

2 minutes ago, Rover6428 said:

but why??? They make the game so more aesthetically better

Some people have weak computers and can’t run visual mods. It would make more sense to have them toggleable.

[Rover 6428]

Just now, RealKerbal3x said:

Some people have weak computers and can’t run visual mods. It would make more sense to have them toggleable.

alright, but surely they could just play on low quality graphics?

[MikeO89]

For me it was not the performance that I had issues with, I have a plenty strong enough computer. I tried the mod and just did not particularly like the looks of it. It didn't makes things look better for me, it made them look worse. It kind of gave everything a washed out look that I didn't like. I'm all about improved visuals but this look wasn't an improvement for me. To each his own look I guess.

Edited November 14, 2018 by MikeO89

[Curveball Anders]

1 hour ago, Rover6428 said:

but why??? They make the game so more aesthetically better

For a given value of aesthetically.

I like the cartoony look, it fits the game.

[Rover 6428]

7 minutes ago, Curveball Anders said:

For a given value of aesthetically.

I like the cartoony look, it fits the game.

But it is really bad if you want the game to: Look realistic, Look serious, look gorgeous.

Maybe there could be two modes you can access in settings

Edited November 14, 2018 by Rover6428

[Curveball Anders]

Just now, Rover6428 said:

But it is really bad if you want the game to: Look realistic, Look serious, look gorgeous

Which I for one don't

[Rover 6428]

7 minutes ago, Curveball Anders said:

Which I for one don't

many people do though. That's why enhancement mods are popular.

I mean, you don't HAVE to play with the cinematic mode, but I argue it should be implemented (like autostrut, you can turn it off if you want to)

Edited November 14, 2018 by Rover6428

[Tyko]

9 minutes ago, Rover6428 said:

many people do though. That's why enhancement mods are popular.

I mean, you don't HAVE to play with the cinematic mode, but I argue it should be implemented (like autostrut, you can turn it off if you want to)

Just download the mods...you can have higher quality today without waiting for Squad to change the game and it doesn't bloat / complicate the game for those who like it the way it is.

[Chel]

Im completely fine with somebody installing a graphics mod. It's their game after all. But if it's made stock and then people can't run the game, it becomes a problem