Mods for consoles

[GrandProtectorDark]

3 minutes ago, Lisias said:

Just don't expect me (or anybody else) to jump suit with you.

Neither do you need to expect that I or anyone else has to agree with that modding on console has to be only Associated with device-modifications.

[Lisias]

12 minutes ago, GrandProtectorDark said:

Neither do you need to expect that I or anyone else has to agree with that modding on console has to be only Associated with device-modifications.

Google is your friend:

"Console Modding"

"Console Homebrew"

I rest my case, Your Honor.  

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(and avoid traveling to Japan. - yeah, things are going crazy there. I didn't knew about savegames!)

 

Edited March 17, 2019 by Lisias
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[Deddly]

 

[GrandProtectorDark]

Your search has 1 problem though.
"Console modding" correctly means and mostly yields results related to moddification of the device.
However, If you search for "console game modding". You'll also find many more results for user created content (as in mods).
There aren't many games that allow User created content(aka mods) on their console version, so , without Including "games" or a games name, you'll not find much result for user created content.


And why Include a search for homebrew(a term only accociated with tampering with console hardware/firmware). I fail to see how that is relevant,

Edited March 17, 2019 by GrandProtectorDark

[GrandProtectorDark]

Lemme roll this up from the other end.

If Console had a more widespread official support for user-created add-ons for console games in the same way which many PC games have  official support for user created add-ons (like you can just drag and drop tweakscale into gamedata or how many games use the steamworkshop). How would it be wrong to just call those user created-add-ons, mods. 
On PC, mods is a synonym for usercreated addons and modding a synonym for their creation. So, I don't see why the same thing can't be called the same for console games?
(Also the Usercreated addon browser for the Xbox version of Cities skylines is Called "Modbrowser" and the console version of  skyrim/Fallout4 also calls them mods/modding ) 

[Lisias]

38 minutes ago, GrandProtectorDark said:

"Console modding" correctly means and mostly yields results related to moddification of the device.
However, If you search for "console game modding". You'll also find many more results for user created content (as in mods).

Good! You are learning! Walk on the safe side and use "Game Modding", if you please.

But I still think that for someone that sells medicines, it's better to tell people "I'm a pharmacist" than "I'm a drug dealer".

But, hey.. It's just me.  

[GrandProtectorDark]

1 hour ago, Lisias said:

Good! You are learning

No need to be so condecending because I don't conform to hiw you want to define words.

And learning what? That context matters? Or other stuff I already knew.

1 hour ago, Lisias said:

Walk on the safe side and use "Game Modding", if you please.

No I'm not going to because, consider the context/situation.

This discussion started with and about mods(as in user addons )for console games, which presets game-addons as context. So unless you purposely misinterpret it(which it seems like with you constantly making this about hard/firmware Modding), it should stay in the context that it was about game-mods.

1 hour ago, Lisias said:

But I still think that for someone that sells medicines, it's better to tell people "I'm a pharmacist" than "I'm a drug dealer".

Both titles aren't synonyms for each other though.

Without a situation or context to go of, the usage of medicine implies the person to be a pharmacist/lawfully authorised seller. 

Otherwise it depends on situation and or context.

And what about all the other stuff I said in the other comment. That isn't worth an answer?

[Deddly]

Searching for "mods for consoles" shows a lot of discussions about mods for consoles. 

 

Just sayin'... 

Seems like an unnecessary exercise in pedantics to me. 

[purpleivan]

It's very clear that @GrandProtectorDark is talking about "mods for consoles games" and not "modding of console hardware". Context is everything.

Is the issue that they should not use the term on this forum for legal reasons? If not this seems like argument for argument's sake.

I know this is the lounge, but the OP was clearly setting up a discussion of mods for consoles, in the form they are know in KSP. That being modifications or additions to the game only (not hardware) of a kind approved of by the developer. What they weren't looking for was a discussion of the semantics of the term "console mods".

[Lisias]

18 hours ago, GrandProtectorDark said:

And learning what? That context matters? Or other stuff I already knew.

No I'm not going to because, consider the context/situation.

12 hours ago, purpleivan said:

It's very clear that @GrandProtectorDark is talking about "mods for consoles games" and not "modding of console hardware". Context is everything.

No, it was not.  

https://imgur.com/gallery/khsNzaO

It can mean a lot of things. In California and Japan, you could be in legal trouble -see the links above. Pedantic? Probably. But on the safe side, why look for trouble? People are talking "Homebrew" for years already, exactly to do not be mixed with the other context.

The words "Mod" and "Console", when used together, had caused a lot of headaches for a lot of people.

It's like I said : you can call yourself a Pharmacist or a Drug Dealer - both are, to the letter, correct if you sell medicines. But people will judge you differently if you use one and not another.

But, and once again, your life: your problem. I'm just the messenger. Fell free to do as you please, I don't care - as long nobody calls by my name, I have no reasons to talk about it again.

[GrandProtectorDark]

Dude, 
Did you just ignore that on purpose.

1 hour ago, Lisias said:

No, it was not.

Expect that almost every single of my comments mentions mods(as in user created addons)in one way or another
 

1 hour ago, Lisias said:

Fell free to do as you please, I don't care

Except this entire thread you had been steering the topic towards the act of modding the device, even though it was always about user created content.

1 hour ago, Lisias said:

In California and Japan, you could be in legal trouble

1 hour ago, Lisias said:

Pedantic? Probably. But on the safe side, why look for trouble?

In legal trouble for unauthorized moddifications to the device itself. All the cases you have set forth are unauthorized modifications to the console (japans case is messing with the save file and about hacking the console itself, both in an unauthorized way).
Problem here,  the very first comment of this thread mentions official mod(as in user addon) support. Means something that is allowed by the Device manufacturer. Means there isn't  anything you can be put in trouble for
 

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Actually 
There is user-content Workshop support for the Cities skylines.
And some rather recent news is that Games from Paradox Interactive get console workshop support where the content doesn't need pre-approval from the console maker.

(Note that user-content is still a synonym for mods)
So something you theoretically can't be put on trial for.

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and yet, you still need approval of the console maker, your mod can be kicked out at any time, by any reasons. 

and you conveniently are ignoring that Modding on Consoles is illegal on Japan, subject to jail time. 

And this bit from right at the beginning.
You practically acknowledge that they are called mods while simultaneously mention something competently different with no relevance, other than vaguely the name.

And I still want you to acknowledge this comment which you conveniently Ignored
 

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Lemme roll this up from the other end.

If Console had a more widespread official support for user-created add-ons for console games in the same way which many PC games have  official support for user created add-ons (like you can just drag and drop tweakscale into gamedata or how many games use the steamworkshop). How would it be wrong to just call those user created-add-ons, "mods". 
On PC, "mods" is a synonym for usercreated addons and "modding" a synonym for their creation. So, I don't see why the same thing can't be called the same for console games?
(Also the Usercreated addon browser for the Xbox version of Cities skylines is Called "Modbrowser" and the console version of  skyrim/Fallout4 also calls them mods/modding ) 

 

1 hour ago, Lisias said:

The words "Mod" and "Console", when used together, had caused a lot of headaches for a lot of people.

Official mod support on console is only done in 4 or 5 games IIRC, and only for less than 2 years or so.
So don't act all superior because such a generic search with no context at all, yields more results for Device modification than user content.
Google doesn't really know your situational context(it's a data-kraken but it doesn't read minds yet), so there, you'll have to add the prefix of "game".

And your medicine analogy still does't work.

I work on "cars"
is he A tuner or a car mechanic.
This one works

 

 

[Deddly]

@Lisias, You have repeatedly said that we can call it what we want, right? Then why do you keep arguing the point? Everyone, including you, knows that we are not talking about hacking the console itself or doing anything illegal. Plenty of people call add-ons "mods" to the point that some people can't even find the correct section of the forum because it doesn't have the word "mods" in it. You have informed us that "home brew" is a term, and that's fine. If you want to refer to it as "home brew", go ahead, but you might find you'll have to explain to a few people what you're talking about. As plenty of people have pointed out, the word "mod" can also be used for console games. Type "mods for consoles" in Google (with the quotes) and you'll see that the word "mod" is not a problem in the correct context.

Now that we are all on the same page, and we all know what the discussion is about, how about we drop the whole side discussion about what to call it and discuss the topic instead? 

[Lisias]

27 minutes ago, Deddly said:

@Lisias, You have repeatedly said that we can call it what we want, right? Then why do you keep arguing the point?

Because you keep calling me again to this thread.

I have nothing more to add.

[purpleivan]

11 hours ago, Lisias said:

No, it was not.

I'll be extra clear here.

@GrandProtectorDark in his original post, was talking about console modding as in KSP (i.e. software modification), not modding of console hardware. That was and is the subject he wanted to discuss. Not console hardware modding, not symantics of the term... just game mods, for KSP.

There's nothing in that first post that indicates they want to talk about hardware mods, other than the use of the term that you disagree with. They then repeatedly state that what they are referring to, and want a discussing of, is games mods of the kind seen in KSP on PC.

You may disagree with the terminology that he's used, but I think unless there is a pressing legal reason (on this forum) for them not to use the term "console modding", then I think he should be free to use it.

[Lisias]

10 hours ago, purpleivan said:

I'll be extra clear here.

@GrandProtectorDark in his original post, was talking about console modding as in KSP (i.e. software modification), not modding of console hardware. That was and is the subject he wanted to discuss. Not console hardware modding, not symantics of the term... just game mods, for KSP.

Dude, you are barking on the wrong tree. I'm just the messenger.

You walk on the streets telling people "I'm a Pharmacist", the worst that can happen to you is someone asking you for a Aspirin. You do the same telling "I'm a Drug Dealer", any cop can arrest all your money under Civil Forfeiture.

You talk to these guys about it from now on, ok?

"Take 2 Have Declared Modding In General Illegal, Cease & Desist Sent Against OpenIV"Modding In General Illegal, Cease & Desist https://forum.level1techs.com/t/take-2-have-declared-modding-in-general-illegal-ceasedesist-sent-against-openiv/116742

I'm done with this. I don't want to be dragged again to this thread. Please comply.
 

[GrandProtectorDark]

1 minute ago, Lisias said:

"Take 2 Have Declared Modding In General Illegal, Cease & Desist Sent Against OpenIV"Modding In General Illegal, Cease & Desist https://forum.level1techs.com/t/take-2-have-declared-modding-in-general-illegal-ceasedesist-sent-against-openiv/116742

That's for GTA-V/GTA-Online though. Where the same tools used for modding can also be used to cheat/hack in the online mode(aka circumvent the "nice" Micro transactions). While the Way they handle it is pretty much suboptimal, it is (sort of) justified (but still a a very wrong way to handle it). And it also doesn't apply to KSP in any way
 

 

3 minutes ago, Lisias said:

You walk on the streets telling people "I'm a Pharmacist", the worst that can happen to you is someone asking you for a Aspirin. You do the same telling "I'm a Drug Dealer", any cop can arrest all your money under Civil Forfeiture.

"I make free game addons as a hobby" vs "I illegally hack consoles, which allows me and others to use pirated games or other stuff that breaks the agreement with the manufacturer".
Also, If you can explain that you are a "game modder" and use Tools that are allowed by the game/console manufacturer (aka official modsupport), then I don't see any legal reasons for an arrest
 

Also There is no "message" to deliver.

Side note: People have been calling it mods/modding for the last few decades. That Ain't gonna end any time soon.
 

[Deddly]

31 minutes ago, Lisias said:

I'm done with this. I don't want to be dragged again to this thread. Please comply.

 

The way to stop being quoted in a conversation is to stop participating in it. If you post something here on a public forum, people can and will reply. 

Having said that, it would be nice to get the topic at least actually started. Who wants to talk about how mods can be made and distributed for console games?