[1.3.1] Ferram Aerospace Research: v0.15.9.1 "Liepmann" 4/2/18

Cratzz · May 20, 2017

Wondering about how the Aerodynamics model is being applied here on the front nosecone, as you can see it looks like it's inside.

Is it a Ferram issue or a Procedual Parts issue? Can anyone confirm?

Drew Kerman · May 20, 2017

2 hours ago, Cratzz said:

Is it a Ferram issue or a Procedual Parts issue?

in the editor go to the transonic design section and enable the debug voxels. If the voxels are showing up properly around the nosecone then FAR should be handling it properly. If you still think something is wrong, then you'll need to prove it by finding a non-procedural part that is close to what you have and sticking it on to perform a comparative analysis of the flight performance.

taniwha · May 21, 2017

17 hours ago, Cratzz said:

Wondering about how the Aerodynamics model is being applied here on the front nosecone, as you can see it looks like it's inside.

FAR does not touch the aero-effects: they're purely cosmetic with little meaning when it comes to anything accurate.

ItCameFromDuna · May 21, 2017

I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but I have a user issue with this mod: Fairings produce so much lift, that any time I attempt to use one, I cannot turn my rocket without it going wildly out of control. What is the best way to remedy this, besides attaching fins?

Thanks.

blowfish · May 21, 2017

15 minutes ago, ItCameFromDuna said:

I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but I have a user issue with this mod: Fairings produce so much lift, that any time I attempt to use one, I cannot turn my rocket without it going wildly out of control. What is the best way to remedy this, besides attaching fins?

Thanks.

Gentler turns, more gimbal, lower TWR

ItCameFromDuna · May 21, 2017

Just now, blowfish said:

Gentler turns, more gimbal, lower TWR

Ah, Thanks! The lower TWR is what I didn't know.

Cratzz · May 21, 2017

On 2017-05-20 at 5:03 PM, Drew Kerman said:

in the editor go to the transonic design section and enable the debug voxels. If the voxels are showing up properly around the nosecone then FAR should be handling it properly. If you still think something is wrong, then you'll need to prove it by finding a non-procedural part that is close to what you have and sticking it on to perform a comparative analysis of the flight performance.

Ah, i'd forgotten about that, thx i'll check it out.

10 hours ago, taniwha said:

FAR does not touch the aero-effects: they're purely cosmetic with little meaning when it comes to anything accurate.

Ok, so even if it looks wrong i won't affect flight characteristics. Good to know.

Drew Kerman · May 21, 2017

14 hours ago, taniwha said:

they're purely cosmetic with little meaning

Well, I like that they visually clue me in to approaching Mach 1. At least that's the behavior I get

damerell · May 22, 2017

On 18/05/2017 at 4:14 PM, SpaceToad said:

If Ferram and all the people making contributions want to see their product be used

That's where you're going wrong; Ferram doesn't want to see the "product" be used. He's said before he develops FAR for him and only desires other users inasmuch as they can give useful bug reports and otherwise aid development.

I think it's entirely possible this "hidden builds" situation, which serves that aim, will continue forever. (Possible, not certain, to forestall some replies).

Since it's GPLed, of course, someone else could distribute it openly, but I suspect that would just result in one of these "ah, when I said GPL, I didn't actually want people to use all the rights the GPL grants" situations.

ferram4 · May 22, 2017

What is happening development-wise is that things appear to be stable enough to be finished, but then someone reports a new bug and I have to take time to address it, like the one a few pages back mentioning that it would not work with the most recent MFI and MM. That looks to be a result of the dev build built for MFI 1.2.3 instead of 1.2.4 and that's a quick fix.

Yes, development is still happening, it's just delayed due to personal life stuff. Sorry about not being around.

Oh, also, FAR v0.15.8 "de Laval" is out now. That name may be familiar to you.

Anyway, there should be a very quick update whenever 1.3 comes out, since not many changes should be necessary.

Nansuchao · May 22, 2017

Great to see FAR finally officially released. Thank you sir!

Gordon Dry · May 22, 2017

After updating

FAR to 0.15.8
KJR to 3.3.2
Kopernicus to 1.2.2-6

and loading KSP during the third part of loading process after the MM patching I got 4 NRE in a row with some other exceptions before:

DragCubeSystem: Creating drag cubes for part 'KW5mengineTitanV'
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartLoader: Compiling Part 'KWRocketry/Parts/Fairings/UnifiedFairings/KW1mDecouplerShroud/KW1mDecouplerShroud'
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartLoader: Encountered exception during compilation. System.FormatException: Input string was not in the correct format
  at System.Int32.Parse (System.String s) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PartLoader.ParsePart (.UrlConfig urlConfig, .ConfigNode node) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PartLoader+<CompileParts>c__Iterator62.MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartCompiler: Cannot compile part
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartLoader: Compiling Part 'KWRocketry/Parts/Fairings/UnifiedFairings/KW2mDecouplerShroud/KW2mDecouplerShroud'
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartLoader: Encountered exception during compilation. System.FormatException: Input string was not in the correct format
  at System.Int32.Parse (System.String s) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PartLoader.ParsePart (.UrlConfig urlConfig, .ConfigNode node) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PartLoader+<CompileParts>c__Iterator62.MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartCompiler: Cannot compile part
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartLoader: Compiling Part 'KWRocketry/Parts/Fairings/UnifiedFairings/KW3mDecouplerShroud/KW3mDecouplerShroud'
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartLoader: Encountered exception during compilation. System.FormatException: Input string was not in the correct format
  at System.Int32.Parse (System.String s) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PartLoader.ParsePart (.UrlConfig urlConfig, .ConfigNode node) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PartLoader+<CompileParts>c__Iterator62.MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartCompiler: Cannot compile part
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartLoader: Compiling Part 'KWRocketry/Parts/Fairings/UnifiedFairings/KW5mDecouplerShroud/KW5mDecouplerShroud'
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartLoader: Encountered exception during compilation. System.FormatException: Input string was not in the correct format
  at System.Int32.Parse (System.String s) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PartLoader.ParsePart (.UrlConfig urlConfig, .ConfigNode node) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PartLoader+<CompileParts>c__Iterator62.MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartCompiler: Cannot compile part
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartLoader: Compiling Part 'KWRocketry/Parts/Fairings/UnifiedFairings/KW5x3AdapterShroud/KW5x3AdapterShroud'
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartCompiler: Cannot clone model 'KWRocketry/Parts/Fuel/KW_Universal_Tanks/KW_AdapterS_5x3m' as model does not exist
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartCompiler: Model was not compiled correctly
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartCompiler: Cannot compile model
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartCompiler: Cannot compile part
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartLoader: Compiling Part 'KWRocketry/Parts/Fairings/UnifiedFairings5m/KW5mFairingPF/KW5mFairingPF'
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

PartLoader: Part 'KWRocketry/Parts/Fairings/UnifiedFairings5m/KW5mFairingPF/KW5mFairingPF' has no database record. Creating.
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

DragCubeSystem: Creating drag cubes for part 'KW5mFairingPF'
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at PartLoader.GetDatabaseConfig (.Part p) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PartLoader.GetDatabaseConfig (.Part p, System.String nodeName) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at DragCubeSystem.LoadDragCubes (.Part p) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at Part+<Start>c__Iterator38.MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (IEnumerator enumerator, IntPtr returnValueAddress) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
 
(Filename:  Line: -1)

NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at PartLoader.GetDatabaseConfig (.Part p) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PartLoader.GetDatabaseConfig (.Part p, System.String nodeName) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at DragCubeSystem.LoadDragCubes (.Part p) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at Part+<Start>c__Iterator38.MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (IEnumerator enumerator, IntPtr returnValueAddress) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
 
(Filename:  Line: -1)

NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at PartLoader.GetDatabaseConfig (.Part p) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PartLoader.GetDatabaseConfig (.Part p, System.String nodeName) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at DragCubeSystem.LoadDragCubes (.Part p) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at Part+<Start>c__Iterator38.MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (IEnumerator enumerator, IntPtr returnValueAddress) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
 
(Filename:  Line: -1)

NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at PartLoader.GetDatabaseConfig (.Part p) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PartLoader.GetDatabaseConfig (.Part p, System.String nodeName) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at DragCubeSystem.LoadDragCubes (.Part p) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at Part+<Start>c__Iterator38.MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (IEnumerator enumerator, IntPtr returnValueAddress) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
 
(Filename:  Line: -1

I never had problems with KW parts before.

Full log (after loading to main menu done):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m0iyp7guvng2nzi/2017-05-22-3 KSP.log.zip?dl=1

Mighty1 · May 22, 2017

Thank you very much for your work and effort. ** Raises pint of beer ** This one is for you Ferram. Can't wait to test it out.

blowfish · May 22, 2017

11 minutes ago, Gordon Dry said:

After updating

FAR to 0.15.8

KJR to 3.3.2

Kopernicus to 1.2.2-6

and loading KSP during the third part of loading process after the MM patching I got 4 NRE in a row with some other exceptions before:

I never had problems with KW parts before.

Full log (after loading to main menu done):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m0iyp7guvng2nzi/2017-05-22-3 KSP.log.zip?dl=1

Something is setting the cost to be a non-integer (which is not allowed). It doesn't look like it's FAR. Are you sure FAR is the only thing you updated?

E: It's RP-0. You should make an issue over there.

Edited May 22, 2017 by blowfish

CobaltWolf · May 22, 2017

Neat-o.

jarhead1145 · May 22, 2017

Finally! I can play KSP again!

be77solo · May 22, 2017

Wow, thanks Ferram! Was passively waiting for this for months, then left KSP for a few months, and started getting the itch to start playing again today. This is GREAT news! Thanks for the work.

taniwha · May 22, 2017

4 hours ago, ferram4 said:

That name may be familiar to you.

It certainly rang a bell, but I had to follow the link. Yes, indeed, it is thanks to de Laval that we have KSP (no nozzle -> no rockets -> no KSP).

Cadet_BNSF · May 22, 2017

Glad to hear it. I only got the game recently, and I heard that FAR makes planes way better, but it was the wrong version. Instantly downloaded it when I saw the new version.

Eklykti · May 22, 2017

CKAN shows 1.2.0 as the compatible KSP version

Techercizer · May 22, 2017

After lurking this thread for about half a year, I made an account to post about the new release.

First off, thanks Ferram for your hard work and for taking your time to make this the best release possible. KSP is literally playable again.

Second, to reiterate Eklykti's comment, CKAN has this version listed as 1.2.0, not 1.2.2 or 1.2.x, which prevents it from being used. Simply modifying the version number in whatever it reads should fix that.

SpaceToad · May 23, 2017

Update looks great, but my Diamond 40 still stalls at 90kts :sticktongue: (So much for slow flight). Still great for rockets though!

Nansuchao · May 23, 2017

1 hour ago, Eklykti said:

CKAN shows 1.2.0 as the compatible KSP version

34 minutes ago, Techercizer said:

After lurking this thread for about half a year, I made an account to post about the new release.

First off, thanks Ferram for your hard work and for taking your time to make this the best release possible. KSP is literally playable again.

Second, to reiterate Eklykti's comment, CKAN has this version listed as 1.2.0, not 1.2.2 or 1.2.x, which prevents it from being used. Simply modifying the version number in whatever it reads should fix that.

CKAN need some time to be updated. Be patient.

blowfish · May 23, 2017

1 hour ago, Eklykti said:

CKAN shows 1.2.0 as the compatible KSP version

It looks like an problem with the .version file. I've created an issue:

https://github.com/ferram4/Ferram-Aerospace-Research/issues/189

And also a reminder to all that ferram does not want to deal with CKAN-related issues. There is a separate thread for that:

Edited May 23, 2017 by blowfish

ferram4 · May 23, 2017

No, this is actually me derping up and CKAN is actually doing things right. I didn't set the .version file right and so it was limited to KSP 1.2.0. I think I should be able to get it changed to be KSP 1.2.0-1.2.2 and everything should be fine, it just might take some time to get that taken care of.

I've made a PR to fix the metadata, no idea if I did it right or how long it'll take until it's merged, but I'll go and fix this issue since it's my fault in the first place.

Edited May 23, 2017 by ferram4

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