tater Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Maybe also Voyager Space? They have this station they are working with Airbus on: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1.0 is LV agnostic. 2.0 is agnostic between NG and SS. 3.0 is SS only—or with a more normal fairing (non-flush) for NG as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 6 hours ago, tater said: 3.0 is SS only—or with a more normal fairing (non-flush) for NG as well. Musk is talking about a 19m diameter scale up of SS. Imagine the payloads. Like a scaled up JWST that unfolded to even larger; 40 to 50m mirror array? Or the Life 4.0 inflatable at 35m+ diameter? Edited February 21 by darthgently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 So, they are reinventing Sea Dragon. 23 m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 NRP story mentions the BO station has artificial gravity. Quote Robyn Gatens, director of the International Space Station... Gatens says one piece of technology that is being developed at Blue Origin is a big rotating space station that, when finished, would have artificial gravity. For long trips in space, the lack of gravity is a main issue for the human body, causing bone-loss and other health issues. "If you could recreate that in space, that will be very beneficial," Gatens said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41526-024-00363-x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 2/22/2024 at 5:21 PM, tater said: NRP story mentions the BO station has artificial gravity. The ISS had it once. Based on the leftmost docking port side position, it's easy to repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 2 hours ago, kerbiloid said: The ISS had it once. Based on the leftmost docking port side position, it's easy to repeat. So include a port that a new Nauka can dock with and done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spaceception Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 So they'll connect to the ISS long enough to do checkouts, but are aiming to separate as soon as possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunlitZelkova Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 21 minutes ago, Spaceception said: So they'll connect to the ISS long enough to do checkouts, but are aiming to separate as soon as possible? It sounds to me like it’s more than just checkouts, more like learning the ropes of space station operation. All that’s changed is the timeline is a little shorter. I guess they realized it wouldn’t take as long as originally envisioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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darthgently Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 2 hours ago, tater said: Inflation is taking its toll everywhere and is a big factor, but yeah, running a startup like an old space cost+ behemoth not a good strategy, especially during an inflationary period Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flavio hc16 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 11 hours ago, tater said: obligatory Eager Space video As of right now, commercial space station don't make sense, at least until we get to Starship level of cost/kg to orbit, that allows for "dumb" space station to be put into orbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AckSed Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 I'm wary of 'never' statements. Reusability didn't make sense until it eventually did. Then, with Starlink eating spare capacity, the launch party started. Granted, commercial space stations will not make sense until someone sticks their neck out and it isn't immediately financially severed. Pharmaceutical research and manufacture and organ bio-printing might be an early way to keep the lights on. I'm pulling for perovskite solar panel or novel semi-conductor research, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 5 hours ago, AckSed said: I'm wary of 'never' statements. Reusability didn't make sense until it eventually did. Then, with Starlink eating spare capacity, the launch party started. Granted, commercial space stations will not make sense until someone sticks their neck out and it isn't immediately financially severed. Pharmaceutical research and manufacture and organ bio-printing might be an early way to keep the lights on. I'm pulling for perovskite solar panel or novel semi-conductor research, though. And optical fiber. Organs grown from a patient’s own cells is the big deal though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 Most manufacturing in microgravity is best done minus humans (they add vibration). The use-case for the time being will be government anchor customers—NASA, et al. If anyone ever makes safe, reasonably priced human spaceflight a thing, then tourism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 28 minutes ago, tater said: Most manufacturing in microgravity is best done minus humans (they add vibration). The use-case for the time being will be government anchor customers—NASA, et al. If anyone ever makes safe, reasonably priced human spaceflight a thing, then tourism. Having worked in maintenance, from landscaping, to buildings, to component level electronics, to the various levels of factory hardware through firmware to many years in software I can honestly state that I have yet to see any automated process that doesn’t require direct human intervention at the least convenient times and places. If we do get automated manufacturing in space sans humans because of vibrations or whatever, it won’t be long before each orbital facility, depending on criticality and value, has at least a small habitat with a rotating staff of technicians and engineers available. Perhaps multiple manufacturing orbitals would center on such a support hab. Organ printing would almost certainly justify some fast, near on-site, maintenance response. Down time would mean major lost income Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 It depends on the actual requirement for 0 g, I suppose. Organs would probably not be so sensitive, but from what I've read about some crystal growing, etc, vibration is a huge problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 I’m probably over-responding above, but when I read about zero human full automation it reminds me of the “practical engineered fusion is always 10 years away” trope. We will always be trying new things, even with “human free manufacturing” and so will always be tweaking things and will often be getting elbow deep on site at 0 dark thirty on occasion. Because we like it that way, apparently, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AckSed Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 2 minutes ago, darthgently said: I’m probably over-responding above, but when I read about zero human full automation it reminds me of the “practical engineered fusion is always 10 years away” trope. We will always be trying new things, even with “human free manufacturing” and so will always be tweaking things and will often be getting elbow deep on site at 0 dark thirty on occasion. Because we like it that way, apparently. I don't disagree. I came across a sentiment the other day that really resonated: "domesticate space". To boil it down: space has a branding problem, and Hollywood has had a stranglehold on its image as 'dangerous and hostile' for too long, but space is about the future, our future. Space communicators (and especially NASA, as one of the strongest brands around) should reclaim that future. If I, space-company recruiter, say to a potential STEM major, "Your future is as a pioneer who works in a space station to make life-saving organs for other people. It'll be difficult. It'll be dangerous. However, you get to be an astronaut," how many would work towards it because they heard 'astronaut' and not 'factory worker'? NASA has kind of captured the imagination to the point that if a human spaceflight's not NASA-backed, they're not thought an astronaut. Or to take a different tack, Hypothetical Space-Recruiter Me could emphasise that you, yes you, can shape the future with your own two hands... it kind of loses something if you're then sitting in an office telepresence rig tele-commuting to an LEO factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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