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[1.3 & 1.2] KSP-AVC Add-on Version Checker Plugin 1.1.6.2 - MiniAVC - KSP-AVC Online (2016-10-13)

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  On 7/16/2016 at 6:36 PM, cybutek said:

If you're connected to the internet it'll use the remote version information for compatibility checks which will correctly see 1.1.3 as a valid compatible KSP version. When not connected to the internet it'll use the older local .version file for compatibility checks. This feature is there so that mod authors do not have to re-upload a new version of the mod and users don't have to re-download the whole mod again when it is still compatible just to get an updated .version file.

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Noted. I haven't disconnected from the internet at any point, but maybe there was a temporary server error somewhere.

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  On 7/16/2016 at 7:24 PM, Kiro said:

Noted. I haven't disconnected from the internet at any point, but maybe there was a temporary server error somewhere.

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If it happens again would you upload and post a link to your KSP log file please?  I'd like to go over it to just to make sure nothing unusual is happening within KSP-AVC.

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Wow...

Before I created my own checker I decided to give this plugin one more shot and the error I found was so simple to avoid isn't not even one I thought to look for.  Possibly because I wasn't being told what to look for.  You are not URL encoding the url's before you check them.

I have a SPACE in my URL and AVC is not encoding that space.  It therefore never finds the URL. And instead of giving me a LOGICAL reason why it errored out, like unable to contact the website, it just kept telling me there was an error in my perfectly formatted version file.

The instant I changed that space into a %20, it worked.

That also explains why others with things like dashes in their url's are getting this same result.

 

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  On 8/3/2016 at 8:33 PM, Vorg said:

I didn't know space was a valid char for a URL

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Any character which can be used in a POSIX path name needs to be usable in URLs.  That means that they need to accept all but one of the 256 ASCII characters, (that one being the null character), plus most of the UTF-8 character space.

Many programs need to have some of those characters 'escaped out' either with a flag character that says "the next character/the marked set of characters are to be taken literally" or through a character code, (URLs use the latter, a space being %20).  This includes all RFC compliant webservers, (whitespace characters have a special meaning in HTTP requests), so a browser will generally generate the escaping if the user has not.  Note that using characters which require this escaping out in a URL is not considered a good practice and should be avoided.

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Last night it was working. Tonight it hangs at 52 of 53 plugins and the little popup box doesn't go away.

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Did you notice this part?

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[Exception 23:49:58.8234000]: System.InvalidCastException: Cannot cast from source type to destination type.
  at UnityEngine.GUILayout.BeginScrollView (Vector2 scrollPosition, Boolean alwaysShowHorizontal, Boolean alwaysShowVertical, UnityEngine.GUIStyle horizontalScrollbar, UnityEngine.GUIStyle verticalScrollbar, UnityEngine.GUIStyle background, UnityEngine.GUILayoutOption[] options) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at UnityEngine.GUILayout.BeginScrollView (Vector2 scrollPosition, UnityEngine.GUILayoutOption[] options) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at KSP_AVC.Toolbar.ToolbarWindow.DrawAddonBoxStart () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at KSP_AVC.Toolbar.ToolbarWindow.DrawAddonList () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at KSP_AVC.Toolbar.ToolbarWindow.Window (Int32 windowId) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

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That was at the end of the log while it was hung. The text after that was added when I closed the game. Also, I was having problems connecting to a game server last night, but that seem to be a client/server problem because when the restarted the server I could connect. Then they had to restart again because of a corruption and I could not connect again.

Yea it needs a timeout/abort option. But with 53 mods, space dock being down wasn't the problem. It was able to check 52 of them.

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Hello! I just started using AVC. Before I used CKAN for updating mods, but I'm now migrating to AVC. However, I noticed that AVC doesn't detect some of my mods that are in GameData folder (and working), such as Kerbalism, some contract packs. Am I doing something wrong?

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  On 8/21/2016 at 3:13 PM, aluc24 said:

Hello! I just started using AVC. Before I used CKAN for updating mods, but I'm now migrating to AVC. However, I noticed that AVC doesn't detect some of my mods that are in GameData folder (and working), such as Kerbalism, some contract packs. Am I doing something wrong?

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You do know that the mod itself has to support AVC? ... Thats (usually) a conscientious decision by the mod dev themselves, not an unknown 3rd party who takes it upon themselves to provide metadata for CKAN...

I'm not saying either is good or bad, and I surely dont want to start a trainwreck  with off-topic discussion of AVC vs CKAN...
Just pointing out, that as far as I understand it, thats one of the basic differences between the two, and why many mod devs choose one over the other, if at all...

SO if I am correct, your best bet is to go look at the list of supported AVC mods (its somewhere on the innerwebs), and see if enough of your preferred mods are on it, to justify the switch; and/or look thru the release thread of whatever mod you would like to see have AVC support, which does not, and see if the mod dev has discussed the issue in the thread already... If not, then maybe post or PM the mod dev asking if it would be possible to add AVC support to the mod...

????....

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  On 8/21/2016 at 3:29 PM, Stone Blue said:

You do know that the mod itself has to support AVC? ... Thats (usually) a conscientious decision by the mod dev themselves, not an unknown 3rd party who takes it upon themselves to provide metadata for CKAN...

I'm not saying either is good or bad, and I surely dont want to start a trainwreck  with off-topic discussion of AVC vs CKAN...
Just pointing out, that as far as I understand it, thats one of the basic differences between the two, and why many mod devs choose one over the other, if at all...

SO if I am correct, your best bet is to go look at the list of supported AVC mods (its somewhere on the innerwebs), and see if enough of your preferred mods are on it, to justify the switch; and/or look thru the release thread of whatever mod you would like to see have AVC support, which does not, and see if the mod dev has discussed the issue in the thread already... If not, then maybe post or PM the mod dev asking if it would be possible to add AVC support to the mod...

????....

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I wasn't aware of that: thank you. I have some issues with CKAN, that's why I'm switching. So, if I see that half of my mods aren't supporting AVC, how do I keep them updated without CKAN and without manually checking every single one of them?

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  On 8/21/2016 at 7:51 PM, aluc24 said:

I wasn't aware of that: thank you. I have some issues with CKAN, that's why I'm switching. So, if I see that half of my mods aren't supporting AVC, how do I keep them updated without CKAN and without manually checking every single one of them?

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Well, thats the crux of the problem: modders want to run lots of mods, but want something that automatically updates (or at least notifies them), when mods they have, update...

Hence, why CKAN and AVC came into being...

I had great hopes for KSP Mod Admin, as it worked GREAT at doing mod installs, giving the user full control, and could do anything from complete manual installs, to fully automatic installs... The only caveat was that the user had to manually get the mod download themselves... Then there was an attempt to make it more like AVC/CKAN, where it had a "browser" where you could look up mod threads/download links, and have KSPMA get the download for you... But around that time, dev seems to have petered out on it, and IIRC, that part was never fully functioning...

Anyway, yeah, choices for mod management for KSP are very limited right now...

So you have CKAN, which I guess does everything for you, and the reason it has almost every mod, is because ANYONE can submit meta for ANY mod they like, (though this has been limited recently, due to the recent discussion between the mod dev community and the CKAN community)...

Where as, KSP AVC, requires ONE person (the mod dev), to decide whether they want to support the functionality or not... Unfortunately, MANY do not, or possibly do not know the benefits of supporting AVC...

i REALLY wish KSP AVC had more support from mod devs... Its a great tool... It of course doesnt check, and install mod dependencies for you, you're still on your own for THAT, but it also doesnt come with the problems that CKAN has... (Again, please dont flame me: I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that they are different, and each has pros & cons that the user has to decide for themselves on whether to use either)

The only other viable method, is to once in awhile check the release threads for each mod, and grab them and install them yourself...
Its actually not TOO bad, at least when the mod dev puts the a) KSP version, b) clear mod title, c) mod version, and/or d) date of the mod release, all in the thread title... Google is your friend for this, as the site search leaves quite a bit to be desired...
You could also "Follow" the release threads, or maybe better, the mod dev, of the mods you want... The only problem is, then you get notified EVERY time there is a post... :P

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Just tried your plug-in for the first time. 

 

I LOVE the feature that allows you to copy a mod-list to the clipboard. That feature should be in any mod-manager and I've lamented its absence in other games (RimWorld et. al)

It's not intuitively obvious how one dismisses the left hand window after use. Many users begrudge every square CM of screen area so that should be made more apparent.

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So, I've just noticed, It's been a year and three months since I mentioned a bug and got a reply, and it still hasn't gone away. Bug report exchange follows:

  On 6/13/2015 at 9:08 AM, aquilux said:

This may get lost in the other items here, but I'd like to point out an unwanted behavior that causes significant game play interruption.

Problem:

In the situation where an internet connection is present, but sufficiently degraded, AVC continues the lookup process maintaining the version update status window in a position that makes the game difficult to play. I have not experienced the updater making any progress once the game menu loads. In every event that I have experienced this error appear, it remains onscreen until game shutdown.

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Possible solutions:

 

  • default timeout version check upon KSC load
  • minimize window upon KSC load
  • manual timeout/stop check option

 

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  On 6/29/2015 at 4:16 PM, cybutek said:

Don't worry, I'm currently working on a new version of KSP-AVC; a complete re-write from the ground up. I'd like to get it finished and available for you lot very soon, as AVC has been in need of an overhaul for quite some time. Rest assured that it doesn't have this checking window bug :)

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  On 9/19/2016 at 12:09 PM, Olympic1 said:

No, only via a .version file using http://ksp-avc.cybutek.net/ or GitHub

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Forgive me for dumb questions: so the GitHub feature for MiniAVC can automatically detect new packaged releases? If so, then MiniAVC would just be one-time initial setup, e.g. no constant maintenance of the version file every time I push a release?

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  On 9/19/2016 at 2:03 PM, theSpeare said:

Forgive me for dumb questions: so the GitHub feature for MiniAVC can automatically detect new packaged releases? If so, then MiniAVC would just be one-time initial setup, e.g. no constant maintenance of the version file every time I push a release?

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You'll need to update your .version file for every release.

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  On 9/19/2016 at 11:00 PM, theSpeare said:

How does miniAVC compare against the latest GitHub release if it's packaged within a zip file? Will I have to adopt a specific tag naming system?

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It doesn't.  There's no special Github integration.  You just specify a URL to check against, but that URL can point to the .version file checked into your Github repo (itself, basically).

For example if you use the URL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/theSpeare/RoverScience-Revisit/master/GameData/RoverScience/Anomalies.cfg it always points to the latest Anomolies.cfg in your repo.  You can have your .version file point at itself in the repo, like https://raw.githubusercontent.com/theSpeare/RoverScience-Revisit/master/GameData/RoverScience/RoverScience.version.

Then when you update the Github repo, KSP-AVC/MiniAVC checks that URL, sees the new .version in Github, and notifies users.  If you do it this way, updating the .version file in the repo should be the last thing you do.  You can of course have two copies of your .version file - one to package up, and one you change when you're ready for users to see it.  Or just do all your work in a "develop" branch, and point AVC at the "master" branch.

I just point the .version URL at http://ksp-avc.cybutek.net/ because it's simpler.  If your builds are heavily automated, you may prefer the Github method.

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@hab136 oh neat, thank you for the detailed explanation. So the version files I will need are:

1. One inside my packaged release zip file

2. One somewhere in my GitHub repo, for miniAVC to check against.

Furthermore, if I work exclusively on my master branch, I should publish my zip file FIRST, then push to Github with the new version file. (Or as you recommended, work on a dev branch first, which I should probably be doing anyway).

In that case my version file should look something like this: 

{
    "NAME":"RoverScience",
    "URL":"https://github.com/theSpeare/RoverScience-Revisit/RoverScience.version",
    "DOWNLOAD":"https://github.com/theSpeare/RoverScience-Revisit/releases",
    "VERSION":
    {
        "MAJOR":2,
        "MINOR":1,
        "PATCH":3,
        "BUILD":0
    },
    "KSP_VERSION":
    {
        "MAJOR":1,
        "MINOR":1,
        "PATCH":3
    }
}

(out of curiosity, what can the GitHub implementation do?)

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  On 6/29/2016 at 2:51 PM, cybutek said:

Yes...  You can have the version file hosted anywhere that's accessible on the internet.  Note that if you're using the GITHUB releases integration that's available to use, it will only notify of updates when the remote version and a release using that version tag match.  This is to stop users from receiving update notifications whenever you push a new version file before a release is actually ready.

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There actually is github integration

See the quote above

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  On 9/20/2016 at 10:48 AM, theSpeare said:

@hab136 oh neat, thank you for the detailed explanation. So the version files I will need are:

1. One inside my packaged release zip file

2. One somewhere in my GitHub repo, for miniAVC to check against.

Furthermore, if I work exclusively on my master branch, I should publish my zip file FIRST, then push to Github with the new version file. (Or as you recommended, work on a dev branch first, which I should probably be doing anyway).

In that case my version file should look something like this:

(out of curiosity, what can the GitHub implementation do?)

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The URL in the .version file has to point to raw.githubusercontent.com not github.com.

Presumably you would make the packaged release ZIP from the contents of your repo, so it's not really a separate file.

I was wrong about the github integration, see below

  On 9/20/2016 at 11:21 AM, Sigma88 said:

There actually is github integration

See the quote above

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 Note that if you're using the GITHUB releases integration that's available to use, it will only notify of updates when the remote version and a release using that version tag match.  This is to stop users from receiving update notifications whenever you push a new version file before a release is actually ready

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I see it now, thanks for pointing it out.

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