Z3R0_0NL1N3 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) On 10/1/2016 at 11:59 AM, Beale said: I have something in mind, much requested, to amend this. But, figuring out how to fold and unfold is tricky! Expand Ooh! I can't wait for this! Maybe we can get a retexture like this: In serious suggestions, to comemorate BDB's Kane/Sarnus, could we maybe get an ASTP adapter? Edited October 2, 2016 by Z3R0_0NL1N3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeybafoey Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 On 10/1/2016 at 11:59 AM, Beale said: I have something in mind, much requested, to amend this. Expand Is it what I think it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beale Posted October 2, 2016 Author Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) On 10/1/2016 at 3:46 PM, Joeybafoey said: Is it what I think it is? Expand Maybe? Here is a comparison You would need much less fairing width BUT lose the ability to place them on flat surfaces / wider cylinders - is it really worth it? As cool as it looks, it is so much harder to place without the ability to see the base. I know people think they want this, but do you really really? On 10/1/2016 at 1:48 PM, Z3R0_0NL1N3 said: Ooh! I can't wait for this! Maybe we can get a retexture like this: In serious suggestions, to comemorate BDB's Kane/Sarnus, could we maybe get an ASTP adapter? Expand Thanks & Nice colour scheme! ASTP I'm not sure, maybe eventually, but I would not say it is a priority. Edited October 2, 2016 by Beale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeybafoey Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 On 10/2/2016 at 2:00 PM, Beale said: On 10/1/2016 at 3:46 PM, Joeybafoey said: Is it what I think it is? Expand Maybe? Here is a comparison You would need much less fairing width BUT lose the ability to place them on flat surfaces / wider cylinders - is it really worth it? As cool as it looks, it is so much harder to place without the ability to see the base. I know people think they want this, but do you really really? Expand It's worth it. Those panels really are too small to be in use on wider tanks or parts. I am pumped! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 @Beale I think people have wanted solar panels like that long enough. Just give them to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beale Posted October 2, 2016 Author Share Posted October 2, 2016 On 10/2/2016 at 2:37 PM, CobaltWolf said: @Beale I think people have wanted solar panels like that long enough. Just give them to them. Expand Fine, but I wash my hands of the whole affair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 On 10/2/2016 at 2:45 PM, Beale said: Fine, but I wash my hands of the whole affair Expand I don't think I follow. What is your concern with them? People want panels for that purpose, since they very directly want to have solar panels that wrap around 1.25m cylinders. There are plenty of uses for that, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoFatalis Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) I think it's ok that the panels can be attached only on 1.25 cylinder because usually people don't install only tantares but also bdb and contares etc... and usually I would find myself with alot of similar panels , if you would add these panels I would have couple of panels that similar to the soyuz size ones and also these that are more compact but can't be attached to certain parts , I think it's even better , BTW I think it would be nice if you would done this to the MIR panels aswell (the MIR ones would still be able to be attached to 1.25) Edited October 2, 2016 by NeoFatalis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Krieger_ Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Almost all of the Russian solar panels are folded up like that for launch, maybe when stock texture switching becomes a thing the panels could have a flat and angled variant within a single part, along with different colours for certain parts such a Soyuz, TKS bases modules etc. Just a suggestion though, awesome job on the revamped parts! Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenomousRequiem Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 @Beale I was going through all of my Steam screenshots and i just figured you'd want to be reminded of cringy old parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbman Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 On 10/2/2016 at 2:00 PM, Beale said: You would need much less fairing width BUT lose the ability to place them on flat surfaces / wider cylinders - is it really worth it? As cool as it looks, it is so much harder to place without the ability to see the base. I know people think they want this, but do you really really? Expand I think it would improve and differentiate Tantares as a whole and I would definitely use them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z3R0_0NL1N3 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 On 10/3/2016 at 6:14 AM, VenomousRequiem said: @Beale I was going through all of my Steam screenshots and i just figured you'd want to be reminded of cringy old parts Expand Remind him of the old parts until he gives in to the solar panel debate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I liked that version of Vostok/R7 better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Reonic Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 One solution I've found to the solar panel issue, especially since I make my own versions of Soyuz, is to rescale the R7 (TLV) parts by 1.5, or use tweakscale and make them 1.875m. That makes the rocket look realistic, and allows me to use the regular panels. It seems the performance or the launcher stays about the same overall, so gameplay isn't affected too much. I also scale up the LES by a bit and throw procedural fairings on the whole thing and it comes out looking quite spiffy. I would certainly love to see the soyuz-style wraparound panels, as well as Shenzhou-style sun-tracking panels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronCretin Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I love the curved panels. The only other case I can think of those being used historically is in some early Salyuts, and IIRC that was on the thin parts that are 1.25m in tantares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beale Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 Thanks for all the feedback folks. Here's the plan Tantares_SolarBasic_A - Soyuz 7K-OKS panels. Tantares_SolarBasic_B - Soyuz 7K-OKS panels - curved. Tantares_SolarStandard_A - Modern Soyuz panels. Tantares_SolarStandard_B - Modern Soyuz panels - curved. (???) Shenzhou panels (???) - Can't easily curve these For the curved panels, they can be transparent in the VAB, so you are able to see the base! Easy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Krieger_ Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 On 10/3/2016 at 4:29 PM, Beale said: Thanks for all the feedback folks. Here's the plan Tantares_SolarBasic_A - Soyuz 7K-OKS panels. Tantares_SolarBasic_B - Soyuz 7K-OKS panels - curved. Tantares_SolarStandard_A - Modern Soyuz panels. Tantares_SolarStandard_B - Modern Soyuz panels - curved. (???) Shenzhou panels (???) - Can't easily curve these For the curved panels, they can be transparent in the VAB, so you are able to see the base! Easy! Expand That sounds great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beale Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) On 10/3/2016 at 5:22 PM, _Krieger_ said: That sounds great! Expand You can try it now. Tantares 1.2 Tasty Morsel Preview Personally I think it is horrible to use in the VAB, as you cannot see where it is being placed and it looks like the transparency module was removed from the game (?). Feedback and ideas to improve the usage is much appreciated! Edited October 3, 2016 by Beale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hraban Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 On 10/3/2016 at 4:29 PM, Beale said: Thanks for all the feedback folks. Here's the plan Tantares_SolarBasic_A - Soyuz 7K-OKS panels. Tantares_SolarBasic_B - Soyuz 7K-OKS panels - curved. Tantares_SolarStandard_A - Modern Soyuz panels. Tantares_SolarStandard_B - Modern Soyuz panels - curved. (???) Shenzhou panels (???) - Can't easily curve these For the curved panels, they can be transparent in the VAB, so you are able to see the base! Easy! Expand Shenzhou Panels was not curved. Take your old 4 panel standard and make it a little smaller, then all is ok, suntracking included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 On 10/2/2016 at 2:00 PM, Beale said: You would need much less fairing width BUT lose the ability to place them on flat surfaces / wider cylinders - is it really worth it? As cool as it looks, it is so much harder to place without the ability to see the base. I know people think they want this, but do you really really? Expand I can't remember the last time I tried to use a panel of this size on a significantly wider cylinder. I simply go for a larger panel in that case. I really appreciate your going the extra mile to make the Soyuz panels stow more compactly. Placement isn't really a problem. Just extend the panel, place it where you want, and retract it once you're satisfied. I always check my designs with the panels extended anyway to ensure they don't foul up anything else, so this placement method wouldn't be an extra step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Beale, what shader are you using for the parts? If its the Unity 5 Standard shade, iirc thing like VAB transparency and part highlighting wont work correctly since those have to be added in a modified version of the shader, similar to how we have always had the special KSP shaders. That's according to Bac9 on Reddit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minepagan Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 On 10/3/2016 at 6:16 PM, Beale said: You can try it now. Tantares 1.2 Tasty Morsel Preview Personally I think it is horrible to use in the VAB, as you cannot see where it is being placed and it looks like the transparency module was removed from the game (?). Feedback and ideas to improve the usage is much appreciated! [Snipped] Expand Is this for 1.2 or 1.1.3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beale Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 On 10/3/2016 at 6:30 PM, hraban said: Shenzhou Panels was not curved. Take your old 4 panel standard and make it a little smaller, then all is ok, suntracking included. Expand That makes things easier! On 10/3/2016 at 6:41 PM, Jack Wolfe said: I can't remember the last time I tried to use a panel of this size on a significantly wider cylinder. I simply go for a larger panel in that case. I really appreciate your going the extra mile to make the Soyuz panels stow more compactly. Placement isn't really a problem. Just extend the panel, place it where you want, and retract it once you're satisfied. I always check my designs with the panels extended anyway to ensure they don't foul up anything else, so this placement method wouldn't be an extra step. Expand Good points. On 10/3/2016 at 7:03 PM, CobaltWolf said: Beale, what shader are you using for the parts? If its the Unity 5 Standard shade, iirc thing like VAB transparency and part highlighting wont work correctly since those have to be added in a modified version of the shader, similar to how we have always had the special KSP shaders. That's according to Bac9 on Reddit. Expand Oh dear, yes, Unity 5! KSP/Specular. Do you have a link to the reddit post? Thanks for the info. On 10/3/2016 at 7:17 PM, minepagan said: Is this for 1.2 or 1.1.3? Expand 1.2! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronCretin Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 KSP freezes loading Libra_Antenna_B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andem Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 If the solar panels didn't curve, I wouldn't use them. If anything, I'd just delete the part for wasting space. On 10/3/2016 at 7:27 AM, Jabbman said: I think it would improve and differentiate Tantares as a whole and I would definitely use them! Expand Doesn't that completely defeat the point though? The point being to blend well with the stock parts? If the parts are only useable with tantares than there isn't much point in trying to be stockalike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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