smotheredrun

May 17, 2017

4 minutes ago, Angel-125 said:

My suggestion is to take half your mods out of your game data folder, and see if the problem occurrs. If not, put them back and take the other half out. Keep repeating that until you can isolate the mod(s) that are causing you problems. I don't see the issues that you're describing.

Already started. I looked through the log and can't really see anything that says "HEY!! This is the problem!!" I just eliminated KIS and KAS. (yay!)

I was able to replicate it in both my career and sandbox saves, so doing the binary search looks like the path to take.

May 17, 2017

@Angel-125

Here are some more details:

When using the V-22 sample craft or using a build similar to your rescue Buffalo you posted in the KAS Beta thread ( very cool ) I had the gas turbines running, and of course the rotors running. This is true in both my installs.

In my vanilla install mentioned above, both worked perfectly - compressed air was being generated at a constant rate based upon gas turbine throttle, usually about 50 - 60% when using the ascend/descend functions in the VTOL manager or 20-30% when using the 0 - middle button - setting (not running KSP atm)

In my modded install, with with turbines running at same throttle settings, the compressed air starts fully charged and then when using RCS controls the charge completely depletes, and begins recharging at a much slower rate. Each subsequent RCS input depletes the air "charge" again. Shutting off RCS the air recharges again, but still slower than in my mostly Vanilla install.

Here is the log from my modded install:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xcr8pprnfh37p9x/output_log.txt?dl=0

If you need any more info, let me know.

May 17, 2017

This is what I get for clicking on that 3.3 badge in @adsii1970's signature. Looks like we've all gone down the rabbit hole. Where are we anyways?

May 16, 2017

@Angel-125

I have been goofing around with Buffalo and Heisenberg for a few days now in both my almost vanilla install and my modded install. In the almost vanilla (HL Airships, Buffalo, Heisenberg, KSO, Airpark, Firespitter, CRP, Mechjeb, KER) everything appears to be functioning within expected parameters.

In my modded (heavily) install, both the Buffalo RCS Compressed Air and the bigger Heiseberg Compressed Air RCS continually drain to zero with only one press of an RCS control; which makes fine maneuvering next to impossible.

With my vanilla install I can park on the roofs of KSC and even make some landings on the Macon Airship! The RCS appears to function correctly. So, my question is, do you know of any obvious mod conflicts?

KSP info and Mod list:

Spoiler

KSP 1.2.2 Build 1622 Win Player x64

[x] Science

000 Filter Extensions

000 Filter Extensions configs

Airpartk

ASET

Auto Screenshots

B9 Aero

B9 Aero Legacy

B9 Animation Modules

B9 Part Switch

Better Time Warp

CactEye

Chatterer

Coatl Aerospace

CCK

CRP

CTT

Contract Configurator

Contract Packs - SETI Unmanned Before Manned

Cormorant Aeronology

Crowd Sourced Science

CTN - MAV

CTTP

Custom Barn Kit

Dark Side Tech

Decaying RTGs

Deployable Engines

DOE

DMagic Orbit Science

DMagic Science Animate

Extrasolar

FASA Lauch Towers 1.2.x fix

Firespitter

Hided Empty Tech nodes

HL Airships

Interstellar Fuel Switch

Janitor's closet

JSI - Camera

KAS

KEI

KCT dev

KER

KJR

KIS

Kopernicus

KSO

KSP - AVC

KW Rocketry

Mk IV Spaceplane

MechJeb2

MK3 Crew Mid Deck IVA

Modular Flight Integrator

Monthly budgests

Navy Fish DPAI

NF Constructions

NF Electrical

NF Props

NF Propulsion

NF Solar

NF Spacecraft

Nebula Decals and Nebula Handrails

Nehemiah Orbital Material Science

Neried Final Frontier

OPM

Persistant Rotation

Precise Node

REPO Soft TEcth Deep Freeze Cont'd

ScanSat

Science Relay

SETI Greeebhouse

smoke screen

SPD Hex Trusses

Texture Replacer

Thunder Aerospace TAC -LS

Toadius Tools

Trajectories

Trigger Tech KAC and TWP

Universal Storage

Vanguard Astrodynamics

Vanguard Tech - Ejection Seats

KSPI-E

WBI - Buffalo, Actuators, DSEV, Heisenberg,. WBT, Kerbal Komets, Mobile Emitter

Xenon Hall Thrusters from NF Propulstion

Module Manager 2.7.6

~~I'll see if I can get you a log "soon" If you;d like.~~

Log in reply below.

May 15, 2017

3 hours ago, linuxgurugamer said:

That's very strange, because it references something called sound_decoupler_fire_quietkw, but I can't find any reference to that anywhere else.

I'll have to do some digging

That is strange indeed,if I can get a some time tonight to look at that install, I'll see about playing around with that patch

May 15, 2017

3 minutes ago, linuxgurugamer said:

I've never used this, but as I'm working on a patch (seems to be 2 lines which need to be changed), I'm trying to see how it works.

Does it even work, or are the launch clamps just totally silent when this patch is there?

On my install, the clamps are just quieter, which makes me happy (my daughter too)

May 15, 2017

3 hours ago, Fernir said:

It wasn't bug report. I just wanted to confirm issue reported by WildLynx. I looked into log file but couldn't find anything suspicious however I can add log file if you believe it can help.

I see. Still, adding as much info as you can will help the guru's that wander this thread to figure out what is going on.

May 15, 2017

Do what you have to do when you have to do it, sir. The majority of us would rather have something that takes a long time to do that is polished, complete, and usable anyways. Waiting is half the fun. Your development posts are always (for me anyways) very neat. You have a very different take on interplanetary ship/lander/infrastructure design than most of the developers out there - and this is a good thing.

If we have to wait for KSP 1.4 to come out before this is ready, so be it. It will be worth the wait.

May 15, 2017

On 5/11/2017 at 10:55 AM, Fernir said:

Hi there it's not working on my open-SUSE leap 42.2

HI!!! Welcome to the KSP Forums! You've joined a fantastic community of users whom are always happy to help out others with any issues they have; but..... we need some more information from you:

uhm... logs? details as in what version of KSP? other mods?

Please, at the very least, do a Google search and type in: "ksp how to get support" (I just did this so it does work). Click the first link. Follow the instructions. Post the information here and then.... Profit!

I know that this mod works on my 7 year old laptop, and it also works on a much much older single core machine. So if you can give us that information, we can try to help you.

May 13, 2017

4 hours ago, linuxgurugamer said:

Lots of frustrating math. Had to relearn my trig.

Trigonometry is one of my favorite kinds of math! I'll try this one out just because of that!

May 9, 2017

6 hours ago, Angel-125 said:

Two things that help me are the CompressedAir rcs thrusters and the VTOL Manager. I have landed aircraft without either, just takes practice.

My issue with the Compressed air RCS is again a PEBCAK*, that being I keep misjudging their potency - which is the same problem I always have when trying out new RCS thrusters on orbit; I'll get it eventually... VTOL Manager is the only reason I even hit the flight deck in the first place... And then I turned it off and forgot to kill my throttle first, which sent poor Doodford Kerman up, up and away, and then back down again, into the flight deck's control tower.

So now the next test flight will be with Shurman Kerman and a rebuilt Macon IV (I have done some serious damage to the first 3 Macon's - think original Star Trek series and movies).

On the plus side, I have managed several, well 2, successful landings with the V-22 on the ground, so go me!

*PEBCAK for those whom don't know:

Spoiler

Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard

May 8, 2017

Bah.... New Version? Why not? For those of us in the middle of a career/whatever that heavily relies on KW, we could just 'not' download a new version?

When we start a new save, then 'Boom!' download the new version. That's the only way I've kept my current playthrough going so long....

May 8, 2017

25 minutes ago, Angel-125 said:

Try renaming the folder to 000KerbalActuators. Really grasping at straws here..

Definitely doable. Check out my KEEP story for examples.

Yeah totally know it's doable. I just need more practice. And more Kerbals.. . Sigh.... always more Kerbals... they just keep dying when I crash! My last attempt I at least HIT the flight deck, so improvement!

May 8, 2017

So, I have discovered a coupke things with both Buffalo and Heisenberg:

1- both are way cool. Thanks!

2- I can mostly fly the V-22, I can even sometimes land it. Yay

3- I can't seem to aim/land on the airships (PEBCAK) boo! Good thing I've been practicing in a sandbox save !

May 5, 2017

Uh oh! Let's not start asking 1.2.9 questions here.... I'm pretty sure almost 0 mods are compatible with it

May 3, 2017

5 hours ago, magico13 said:

And three, it's been almost a year since the last official update... Oops...

Naw, don't worry. Once again, I am happy to report no issues* with the dev build.... I guess going off of the dll it is build 1.2.3? Probably out of date, but who cares... it works..... within expected parameters.

*well, maybe one issue with Werner (Wherner?) Checker Continued, but I haven't had the time to test these two mods in my vanilla install yet... I have been meaning to for the last 2 months or so.... But who needs a reminder to install parachutes anyways, right?

May 3, 2017

@Voodoo8648 I get where you're coming from, and (to me anyways) it doesn't come off angry, but........ it's been my experience since I started playing KSP that any time a mod is listed as 0.whatever.whatever one should be careful when using it in a career install. Game breaking changes or just simply frustrating changes can and will be made, and often those changes may seem unwarranted or unnecessary to us the user. But please bear in mind that the mod creators will do this to improve the mod via their own preferred road map, whether or not they share that road map. They typically don't get paid, at least not by us, so they can do as they wish. If they like the feedback/ideas, they'll make them work. If they don't feel those ideas will fit, well, that's that. If @StarCrusher96 wants to turn Kerbin into a giant floating spaghetti monster, (I challenge you to try StarCrusher!) then well, I guess Kerbin becomes Kerghetti..... If we don't like it... we won't use it.

To put my Kerbal funds where my mouth is, I use quite a few mods that are still listed as 0.whatever or in Dev in my current career save. If they get updated and the changelogs state they will break saves/ships, or if there is little to no detail regarding the changes, I won't update, no matter how many fits KSP-AVC throws on startup. I haven't updated most of my NF techs to their current versions because of this (detailed changelogs, but ship breaking). I realize I'm missing out on things I do actually want, but I'll wait for those until my next playthrough. Werner Checker Continued, the (not so current anymore) Dev build of KCT, and Kerbal Komets are but a few more of the many that are still undergoing some changes, and may/will probably unleash many fiendish Krakens into my save... So, I'll wait....

In reference to your specific points regarding celestial body changes, etc., it may be best not to update beyond 0.6 or 0.6.1... for now... Following the "If it ain't broke, then don't fix it" or more specific to KSP "If it (KSP/mod) ain't summoning the Kraken (too much... wheels anyone? ;P ) don't update" seems to work for me. I found out the hard way when I installed Kargantua and all of a sudden my OPM install was completely borked. My closest revert was quicksave I had made 1 kerbal year before... <- 100% my facial expression!

I am following this thread because @StarCrusher96 and team have done some kick@$$ work and I want to add it into my next playthrough.... whenever that happens. At that point, I'll follow the thread and updates, but I won't update my career save unless first trying it out on another install, just to see what Krakens are freed upon my unsuspecting Kerbals.

52 minutes ago, Voodoo8648 said:

Perhaps you could instead post a survey and allow us to vote on a change that you might consider implementing in future version releases.

This could be a good idea, there are already a number of mods that do this already

54 minutes ago, Voodoo8648 said:

Warn us first of the potential consequences of the proposed change (potentially career mode breaking),

Also a good idea

May 3, 2017

9 minutes ago, TheRagingIrishman said:

Right now it only works on ModuleControlSurface which is all stock control parts other than the airbrake because the airbrake uses ModuleAeroSurface. Adding in the ability to affect ModuleAeroSurface is next on my todo list and I think I'll be able to get it done tonight. To check if a part uses ModuleControlSurface or ModuleAeroSurface right click on it in the menu in the VAB or in the SPH and if it says something similar to then it uses ModuleControlSurface and if it looks like then it uses ModuleAeroSurface.

So this has nothing to do with an individual line within the ModuleControlSurface like this one:

%transformName = obj_ctrlSrf

it just deals with the ModuleControlSurface as a whole?

May 2, 2017

41 minutes ago, linuxgurugamer said:

I'll get it up there this evening

No procrastination there!

So, is this only for "control surfaces" or will it work on "elevon", "control_srf" or "aileron", etc? Just asking because I've some ideas....

May 1, 2017

Thanks for this! I'll be using this in my next save.. once the Kracken is done with my current save

April 29, 2017

14 hours ago, Gumby1973 said:

I've been having ridiculous issues trying to dock using DR-375 rings. I can not get them to connect. I've tried moving them and reattaching them with KIS on EVA multiple times trying to reset them to no avail. Any suggestions? The Hexport docking rings I never seem to have any problems with.

Do you have a screenshot from the VAB/SPH while you're building the craft? In particular, do you have (or can you go and take) a screenshot showing the docking port? Is the "red ring" showing on either section you are trying to attach? If so, it is backwards.

Does it look like this?

Or like this?

April 29, 2017

So..... That looks nice....

April 27, 2017

9 hours ago, Angel-125 said:

Eventually.

Haha, you should add a ^TM next to Eventually.

Fun story, was goofing around with the Buff and Heisenberg the other day... I can't build airships (yet), but these are some cool things man. It's been since 1.0.4 or 5 since I used Buffalo. Big improvement to a system that already worked well. Thanks. I like that I don't need to strap a 2.5m teetering Science Lab to the flat deck anymore. Bob kept crashing my prototype science rovers anytime he took a grade steeper than 2 %. (He got his licence from a box of Kerb-Pops^TM).

April 25, 2017

1 hour ago, Raptor22 said:

Thanks for the honest feedback.

I'll do a few test flights with the shuttles when I get home.

The pitch problems might have been because of the weight of the cargo. What are the shuttles rated for?

I'll try some clean (no payload) tests later on.

If memory serves, the Mini was about a 2 ton max, or basically the heaviest part from the KSO Space Station Pack/whatever you can cram into the cargobay. The Super 25 had about a 12 ton(?) payload I believe. Using the testing patches, the largest payload so far was about 10-11 tons, which to me was perfect based on the size. With that one, I've been able to launch some pretty bulky parts, ranging from the smaller SETI greenhouse, pieces from Orbital Material Science, and for no really good reason, a large Near Future fuel tank full of lithium (12 tons I believe).

The test patches do work, but in orbit, the shuttles are kind of squirrely when it comes to stability, especially the Mini. The current versions have both shutlles with tricked out reaction wheels, and it helps, but only really on ascent and descent.... under some circumstances, you'll use a dung ton of RCS fuel just to dock....

Reasons why I haven't shared any current patch files here:

Spoiler

One big reason that I haven't shared anything that Deimos made yet is that the flight characteristics of the shuttles in 1.2.x are so different from 1.0.5 and 1.1.3 that users won't likely enjoy the steep learning curve that is imposed on them.... for now.... Also, some mundane things, like part sorting have been done, but why release a bunch on individual patches one at a time, when we could potentially drop out a whole suite of patches to complete the package?

Finally, the biggest and definitely the most important reason I haven't shared anything is due to the mod itself: @Nazari1382, @helldiver have put a huge amount of work into making this project what it is. The original testing team put in a dung ton of work into making sure that the suite as a whole worked together and was able to be integrated with other mods, almost seamlessly. To drop a bunch of "not-quite-ready" patches on the community saying "here you go, it mostly works, have fun.." just doesn't sit well with me, and would be unfair to them. It's getting there, but it's a process.

As for the pitch issue you mentioned, yeah, the ETs get hit hard by Atmo drag in 1.2.2. It's best (even without the patches) if you actually do the intitial 10-15 degree pitch back at 1000m, and then (mostly) let gravity do the rest as described in the pdf that is in the downloads. If you stray too far from prograde your ET will become a ginormous (haha no spellcheck flag on that last word) sail/airbrake and "you won't be going to space today".

April 24, 2017

3 hours ago, Sassenach said:

My current career is currently based entirely around Mark IV launch vehicles (which is to say, if it takes off from the KSC, it lands at the KSC minus it's payload and fuel. Technically any space plane would do but time is more valuable than fuel so big is beautiful), I posted a picture of my first such earlier, but I've since iterated:

It's capable of lofting a significant tonnage to orbit, my most recent mission has been to take 32,000 material kits to a low orbit space station (that I might find a loophole in my self-imposed limit) with about 1000dV left over. However here is what happened when I tried for 56,000 of the same:

Which is not a complaint. This is to be expected of designing flimsy, load bearing joints even if they are aesthetically pleasing. Slowly falling apart on the runway without any explosions was just a comical means of failure. I've probably been pushing the bounds of credulity as it is.

Apparently you need some Autostrut and KJR love

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