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After playing around in the For Science update, I have really noticed that with aircraft tech, you are given most of the parts needed for a design, but lack a few key pieces for it to completely encompass an aircraft. Let me explain: The initial node on the aircraft tree hands you: two cockpits, a jet fuel tank, two landing gear types, an intake, a wing and a stabiliser. Yes, it is possible to create an aircraft, but I can't escape the feeling that parts have just been omitted or placed in other areas that do not make sense. Simply being given a nosecone intake instead of a radial one, for example, severely limits the craft you can design, meaning it must be placed at the front, or on the sides with more fuel tanks to connect it to. No tail piece, not even the Mk A like in KSP-1, means you are basically forced to stick with a rear-jet arrangement. Yes, you can make an aircraft, you just cannot make one effectively that comes with pieces I would of thought would be included as standard for an aircraft design. Moving on to the Mk-2 modules. We acquire these in tier 2 of the tech tree, which makes sense. Two cockpits, a jet, medium landing gear, airbrakes, a short and medium variant of Mk-2 fuel tanks, a wing and a nacelle. Again however, noticably missing is things a bicoupler, or even a small-medium Mk-2 adapter, meaning you still can't really finish off the design like you could in KSP-1 with two engines at the back, or a singular, or connect it to Mk-1 parts. Confusingly, these are all placed three nodes along. Last night I was trying to design a Mk-2 plane after unlocking the node, and could not for the life of me figure out how I was supposed to add a tail to it or finish it off without unlocking those other nodes first. It just feels extremely out of place. I know the point is to slowly progress to better, more specialised tech, but this really just feels like punishment or forced omission for the sake of it. The point should not be to have to unlock every other node first before designing something, it should be to be able to work with what you have in a fair way of progression and use that tech to progress to other tech. I contrast this to the Rocket technology, which is very well thought out (for the most part) You can easily progress along, visit other bodies with the parts you are given at the right stages, there is room for creating interesting designs. For aircraft, it just feels like things have been placed so far along that you would think to be standard for making even a basic design. How I would improve this: Mk2 Bicoupler/Adapter > Mk2 Jets XM-G50 Radial Intake from HAA > Light Aviation LY-05 from Aerial Drones > Light Aviation (why we have the landing sticks but not nose wheel makes no sense to me) Tail Connector A > Light Aviation Tail Connector B > Precision Aerodynamics Don't even get me started on the Mk-3 parts and their placement.. that's another headache I will get around to >.> Feedback, discussion is welcome as always. - Rachel

Hi, You may know me as an insane person that plays ksp 2, but imma cut the chase. Been playing KSP 2 For Science update, and I got a few actual bones to pick with how the missions work and behave.. Settings I play on. TLDR, Hard. but revert and quicksaving due to skill issues/bugs (many) I been playing ksp 2 new update for a while, and let me say, there is a huge hard wall/brick that comes with this update in gathering science, I play rather simply, each object I created in this save has a purpose to further progress my game. It usually does a main mission, or a side mission, if not completing a few while doing both on the same craft... So, lets get to it. i have done a few missions about 12 hours~ or so in this update ( I have about two hours I forgot to stream ) but it was just simply building and testing a craft. yup amazing, playing about 10 hours, with zero views, its a fashion statement at this point with how little traction I have. during this time progression was fine if not perfect pace for 50%, this was until I saw, and seen the big four Duna Monument Wheelin and Dealin LIL CHONKER Keostationary Orbit let me just quote my discord post(s) For me there is a huge (quite a few) gaps in how research is earned, and how main mission's skill slope is way to aggressive. as of now, I'm quite stumped as behaving as a general player trying to follow the loose primary/story missions, there were 3 steps to complete missions of getting a lot of research to progress For me, each main mission required a vehicle, so did land on X object, "weird signal" created a probe/sat, and then landing a craft near the objective, while this craft needed to also (optional) land at each biome and get science/etc. Now, with the stop of nonsense rambling There should at least 2 or 4 more missions before landing on duna for me this is too aggressive (no idea if it's like this for other missions I haven't progressed that far) Put a satellite into a high duna orbit Put a satellite around dunas moon Do a prob X parts and land safely create a Craft to go to the monument Duna, in the way mission control is set up, is the FIRST post kerbin sphere of influence, it has a Moon, Atmosphere... Why in the name of Bob Kermin do we need to be thrown directly into the duna's monument when other things should be taught / more research to be given out. As of right now with 1 secondary mission that is a little to silly Lil Chonker, 1 mission simply not working, Wheelin, And Dealing, the only option to further progress is to do keostationary orbit, or do off "story" missions.. there is way to large of a gap in what is needed to be learned when going from minmus to duna. Second talk Doing a lot of sidequests of gathering ground science, flying science etc, there is simply just not enough Science points to be given out without finding the secret POI's as also stated in my discord post.. these missions might feel fine with normal research speeds and you have loads of of SP to get into deeper into the second tech tree without not completing the first tech tree, but for me, its hard. There needs to be a way to have like camera satellites, to find POI's on certain planets something like the surface scanner, but in a few tiers, with the weakest only finding the largest/most noticeable and the strongest just finding everything as a part both slowly in days(months) in game depending on range, geostation orbit/ polar orbit/ etc I really didn't want to do this post cause I'm not feeling well and I'm going sound like a complete mad man when I have what I want to say in my head, but out loud its just me spouting nonsense/broken english. personally, I that even doing premium+ missions that i need to be very picky on what i need to further progress the game, if the game had what i said above being able to get the few extra 100's of SP needed for a competent build should need to happen let alone teaching players that after getting to X planet they might have moons, or a atmosphere etc... i really hope the rest of the main story isn't like this, i don't know what I'm going to do honestly but the aggressiveness slope is to high from minmus to duna. please understand I'm really trying to say something that my brain isn't able to process due to being sick, and well, not able to do it in the first place without like 9 English to english translators.. also if anyone is able to translate this right now into something that is more, like readable I will edit this post make it better, but there is at least some points I'm trying to give out.

What's this rambling about? Having Colonies locked behind Tier 4 seems like it isn't the right way KSP2 should be played. It would feel too step-by-step I feel. So, introducing it as early as Tier 3 will make the game progression smoother for the colonies, could even put it in Heavy Orbital Operations? And this would probably mean low tech colony parts... And why's that? Colonies are highly anticipated and would change so much to the way we play the game, launching rockets, storing resources, building complex nice looking outposts, this is what would change the gameplay in an interesting way. In KSP1, the way you build stations was nice, but with the addition of colonies, it could be made much easier and user-friendly. And would also make the features get shown to the player much more smoothly, by introducing the concept when it would start to become useful (Like in the quest to go to Jool, you'd build a Duna outpost to make a relay to this planet). An example perhaps. In Tier 3, I'd go on to make a small Duna orbital outpost to coordinate operations to go to Jool, perhaps even launching from there if I could, though this seems rather too advanced for T3... But then, as I progress through the tech tree, I'd have more complex and bigger colony parts to use and expand this Dunian outpost. Like how in the real world cities came from small traveller encampments from the late 1800s and turned into huge cities in the current day... Closing thoughts... I think that colony parts could aid greatly in the exploration of the Kerbol system after T3, as it would serve as homes for science and resources. They'd be the backbone of the Program by aiding crafts in their missions, and providing a command center on the area. Of course, vessels would need to launch a sort of Colony core of some kind... Hopefully the idea is clear, and I hope we would all be able to experience the benefits of colonies even in early game- Limited, but helpful, and expandable in the long run!-

I thought that the general consensus was that unmanned tech and exploration should come before sending kerbals out, like in real life, but I think we need a poll. I also added a question about the progression for aircraft and rocketry. All these are very important for the incentives structure of the game for the Science mode update. It's a major game design decision to make the player explore by sending probes first like in real like or limiting utility of probes because of lack of control. Especially because there is the lack of limitations imposed by life support, which would have made progression more natural by incentivising unmanned missions. Also I reached the limit for the number of questions, but do you think tech progression should unlock the smallest rocket diameter first or should miniaturization come later in the tree?

Any and all spacesuits for Kerbals in KSP were always cosmetic. As long as you had a spacesuit, you could go anywhere in the Kerbol System with no problems. The Breaking Ground DLC added a little bit more gameplay to it but little else. But what if there was more? My idea for spacesuit progression in KSP2 works like this. You start out with essentially an old, decrepit, extremely depressing space suit that doesn't really do anything other than shield your Kerbal from the vacuum of space. You have no jetpack to move around, and rather have to attach many ladders and bars so that your Kerbal can maneuver their way around the craft. Your Kerbal has a tether attached to them, so you can only go so far (it would be nice to be able to pull yourself back to the craft using the tether in case your Kerbal starts to float away). The more science and resources you get, the more base space suits and extensions you unlock. Over the course of the game, you might unlock a general space suit, a high-pressure suit for thick atmospheres, a G force suit that let's Kerbals experience higher Gs before blacking out, a high mobility suit that lets your Kerbal walk/run faster on surfaces etc. You would also unlock extensions that increase a space suit's functionality. Depending on where they're going, you could give your Kerbal headlights, a larger EVA pack that makes them more mobile in vacuum, climbing gear that lets them climb much steeper surfaces, or even robotic arms that lets them do science on the go. To stop players from create these weird frankenstein mech suits that can do anything, suits would have a maximum weight and be limited to one per Kerbal. This would force the player to make unique suits for every mission that they go on, which would aid in the realism department since that's what NASA and other irl space agencies do. What do you guys think?

We need more reasons to send rockets to space for progression in game. What if we add telescopes! If we add a science instrument to be able to detect other worlds and other solar systems and bodies. It would add to the game. Imagine, the only thing in the solar system is Kerbin, Mun, and the Sun. We want to explore! We send a telescope to low orbit and we discover a new moon, a new planet to explore and then we would have that accomplishment in finding new celestial bodies that we can visit!

I thought about KSP2 game mode, which will replace career mode, and decide that this "progression" mode must have some important details to correspond to its name or/and meaning When you played career in original game, you after achieving records have messages in game mails from Kerbin World-Firsts Record-Keeping Society about your achievements. You could see them in your contracts journal. But in KSP2 I'm not sure we will have contracts and journal, maybe only archive with science notes. And I suggest my idea of improved journal After reaching orbit or surface of some celestial object or another important event you will have in your journal date and description of event: where and what you did, name of spacecraft, names of kerbals if it had it. For example: Year 245 Date 5/6 11:34 First landing on Mun by autonomus spacecraft Lander-1 Year 245 Date 7/9 22:57 First fly-by of Duna by autonomus spacecraft Dun-3 Year 246 Date 2/1 16:04 First landing on Mun with crew Jeb Kerman and Bill Kerbal by spacecraft Mun-lander Year 246 Date 4/3 00:48 First fly-by of Minmus with crew Bob Kerval, Bill Kerbal and Tim Kervin by spacecraft Orbit_minmus ... Year 259 Date 9/1 08:45 The Duna colony Duna-Startown population reached 500 kerbals How it will fit into the game depends of developers' view, maybe it will be in archieve with science or there will be another special journal This will highlight all your steps and achievements on the path of space exploration, and they will not be forgotten, but rather enshrined in the journal. You can easily turn your gaze to the past and see all the path you have passed. This journal will be the history of space exploration of kerbalkind It will encourgae players to reach new limits, thereby adding to the list of achievements in the journal. It can be comfortble fuction for speedrunners because they will have be able to record their achievements in pleasant form. For multiplayer space race can be also added name of player's agency in message Overall I expect also improved writing in game, and not only parts, but agencies, sciences experiments, bodies will have interesting and important descriptions with lore of game

This one is very straight to the point: in science and adventure mode allow for upgrades to runway / launch pad to improve maximum supported vessel weight and height (keep using weight / height as a progression limit), but please remove the VAB / SPH limitations regarding the maximum number of parts. It is an outdated KSP1 idea for slowing progression and mostly applies to fuel tanks and wings. It does not make sense to artificially limit craft complexity even at lower tech levels and also consider that with the introduction of procedural wings and hopefully length-step-wise procedural tanks, most part duplicates are removed from design anyway. Also, vessel weight overlaps with the parts count if we consider number of boosters. Progression is also slowed down by the tech tree, by the wobbly rocket mechanic (lack of struts), by the craft diameter, by the need to discover celestial bodies, by the lack of a comms relay network and by the amount of resources available etc. The parts count limitation is no longer needed and could be replaced with a system of progression regarding number of assemblies in a workspace or number of stages (or whatever else, it's not my aim to propose an alternative). PS: And I don't like the fact that we have to modify our first stage / booster subassemblies when we unlock longer fuel tanks just to get the part count down because previously we used 12 short tanks instead of just 3. Fuel tanks should really be procedural length-step-wise and all lengths for a certain diameter should unlock on the same tech tree node. Please streamline this, we have enough to worry about in the game!

I've been playing out a potential abstract version of the game in my mind, taking into account some possible tech progression and exploration inventive elements that have been hinted. Let's assume there's no boring abstract system of farmable science points. Every tech "unlocks" automatically for you depending on three things: - if you did the science experiments for the tech - if you found / harvested the resources necessary - if your level of knowledge and discoveries is sufficiently advanced (every part could have hidden milestone triggers that unlock it) Let's also assume that we obtain useful information about the universe only through practical science (ground and space telescope, sending probes, doing experiments etc.). This information then allows us to design more complex successful missions. Let's also assume that the progression also favors unmanned before manned missions, as it should. And that kerbals need life support because manned missions are damn hard. And that there are good incentives to build space stations (science, mining asteroid resources, and orbital construction etc.) and colonies (science, discovery of planetary points of interest, transportation infrastructure, resource mining etc.). Let's assume that we need to build and upgrade the communications network. Let's assume we have to explore and exploit the Kerbolar system first, then investigate other stars, exoplanets, build the necessary knowledge and material infrastructure that allows us to design interstellar ships and send them hurling into space. Then we get there and start over. Let's also assume we take into account the long and slow process of prototyping, testing and iterative design. And the accidents. And the story / lore / mysteries / Easter eggs. Well, my worry is this: it's a damn huge amount of work even without any grinding! It makes me afraid for my adult and family life! Who is going to be able to do everything in this game, in a gratifying slow and methodical way, with all the difficulty settings and optional systems turned on? This game is going to take us years to go through. How is there going to be time to explore multiplayer features if we start with single player only? I really think multiplayer has to be baked in or directly linked with the single player adventure. I see no other way to put everything in this game and still allow players to try it all.

I know that having telescopes and gradually obtaining information about celestial bodies is already semi-confirmed by this comment. But what do you think about also having a some filters / overlays for unmanned craft 3rd person view that improve as technology gets better? Some combinations of.. black and white vintage / sepia noisy blurry VHS CRT fake colors instruments (infrared, ultraviolet) etc. best color version would be the same as the manned craft 3rd person view of course. This would differentiate between manned and unmanned craft and give a better gameplay experience for tech progression. It could be applied to first-time visits based on tech level, to limit information and incentivize discovery. After sending better probes or manned missions the image could be normal. Also we could also have: telescope (science instruments) that can zoom in when orbiting / passing by a planet so we could see things happening on the surface or more details ability to record videos

(Firstly, let me add a disclaimer that I'm writing this late at night based on a rambling note I made on my phone at like 1am the night before, so bear with me if this starts to lose coherence.) Something I've found rather dissatisfying about the base-game science system (ignoring career, which I have other issues with) is that there's generally no point, mechanics-wise, to keeping a scientific mission in its final orbit after you fire off all your experiments. No reason to keep that first crewed orbiter in orbit for more than it takes to click "save crew report", no reason to go for an orbital probe rather than a landing or flyby, and definitely no reason to have more than one probe in the same place once you've gotten all the science parts unlocked and figure out how to cram them all in one craft. The idea I've had to solve this involves two major systems being added to the game: Having science parts that can continuously log data, returning science based on the amount of data logged Having events that occur that can be observed through a variety of means for science gain The first system gives a big reason to have something stay active in the same situation, by providing a direct reward based on how long it stays there. Rolling-recording imaging probes, microgravity-effects-on-Kerbals studies, and However, the gain needs to be asymptotic (increases towards by an ever-decreasing amount, never exceeding it) to some amount (such as 2x the science from the base experiment), to prevent someone from being able to unlock the tech tree with a Stayputnik, a solar panel, a 2HOT, and timewarp. How these data logs are returned can be an additional system, providing new choices to be made, with relative advantages and disadvantages of any method. (One example could be sending data in large batches vs sending it back continuously.) The second system would be a fair bit more complex. The core idea is that there are numerous events that can occur - eclipses/transits, magnetic field changes, solar flares, impacts, celestial events such as supernovas, etc. - that, if "seen" by an actively-logging science part, provide large science bonuses. On top of this core would be several layers of complexity. Firstly, the larger the variety in the parts used to observe the event, the greater the return (within reasonable bounds of what can be used for observations, of course) - observing a solar flare with a visible-light telescope wouldn't provide as much data as observing one with that plus a magnetometer logging the effect it has on Kerbin's magnetic field. Secondly, using multiple of the same part to observe the same event can also increase science gain, based on factors such as distance between them - observing a magnetic-field fluctuation with several satellites in various points around Kerbin would give more science than an observation with just one. And finally, there'd be two main types of events: ones that are brief (<5 seconds) and/or unpredictable, and ones that are long (several minutes at least) and/or predictable. The former would generally be things easily observable by automatic instruments, while the latter may often require manual observations. In either case, when an event is logged, the player would be given a notification in some manner, indicating what was observed by what instruments on which craft and allowing the science yield from the data to be gathered. I'd love to see this system in a mod, but sadly, I don't have the skills to make that happen, so I'm kinda just throwing this idea out there to see what people think ^^;

Is it possible for a ksp addon to alter the progression system so that tech tree nodes unlocks by milestones? And will it fix the current super easy science problem? Science is really easy to farm and by the point when you reach minmus you can unlock most of the nececery parts for reaching all of the celestial bodys. However, by changing the progression system somewhat like this : [ reaches milestone (etc Land on the Mun) ] -> [ unlocks node but not reaserched ] -> [ use science to actually get the parts ] it forces you to go out from the kerbin system and explore other planets/muns, and prevent rushing a specific high-end node. Also, it may add a bit of context on R&D a craft without any power gerneration reaches 3+ days on its mission and runs out of power therefore there's a need for power gen tech ( so you have to actually run out of power to get solar pannels ) or you reached dres with conventional engines and you are blocked by a technical wall of rocketery but there's a break through with NERVs using atomic power to yield greater ISP. It would mix well with stock/modified milestone contracts too. tldr; I want an addon that does this : 3 [ reaches milestone (etc Land on the Mun) ] -> [ unlocks node but not reaserched ] -> [ use science to actually get the parts ]

Hello everyone. Following a reddit thread, let me post here some thoughts about the current science system and what I'd love to see in KSP2. Currently, experiments give you science points. Some missions or achievements also give you a small amount of points. You use these points to unlock nodes of a tech tree. Nodes give you parts. Upgrading the RD Building allows you to reach further in the tree. You may (according to your career settings) need money to unlock each different parts. What I like about it. It's a familiar concept in games. It's easy to understand. Fancy parts are harder to get. What I dislike about it. All the experiments are equivalent (1). It encourages grinding science (2). Experiments aren't connected to unlocked technologies (3). (1) Science points are science points, no matter where they come from. (2) I feel like it's a lot of "go that high, go that far, bring thermometer, barometer, goo, come back" (3) I know the temperature of the North Pole of the Mun, my scientists can finally develop supersonic air intakes ! A system that I think would be interesting (I will most likely purchase KSP2 in any case but hey, my pride would be infinite if I can contribute) would be to..... Have missions to unlock technologies or parts. Yeah, revolutionary idea, right ? For instance, launching the first uncontrolled rocket "that high" would unlock basic control. Then the first suborbital flight unlocks higher vacuum ISP engines. The first orbit unlocks basic RCS, while the first rendezvous unlocks docking ports. And so on. You get the idea. EDIT : I think I got misunderstood at some point. I didn't mean that the "missions" or "milestones" would come one after the other in a predetermined sequence. You could have a tree as well. And chose how you want to progress through that tree. My point is just that instead of having science point requirement to unlock technologies or parts, you'd have to do specific stuff, or go to specific places. But not in a specific order. /EDIT Why do I think it would make sense ? Well, right now, you can basically have almost everything unlocked before you send your first interplanetary craft. Not so challenging. So it would be more.... less..... well, I don't know. It just doesn't feel right. But moreover, and especially with colonies and interstellar flight, it makes even more sense. Because... imagine making your first colony and.... you already have unlocked fancy habitat techs. Nah.... The first offworld colony must be a dusty sh*thole. Barely habitable. But from that experience your scientists would learn sustainability. And so on. That being said, a science point system can still be useful to either upgrade parts (cheaper, lighter, harder, whatever-er) or to unlock some better technologies. Like the first Orbit unlocks small RCS. Science points unlocks bigger RCS blocks or increase the ISP, or allows for LFO, ion or other kind of technologies. You've read so far. I'm flattered. What do you think about it ?

I am a few months into KSP and I was not enjoying Career mode. I wanted to explore the Kerbol System in a logical way, but without the extra restrictions of Career mode. Science mode seemed like the answer, if I could do it without having to grind, or to do missions that were more science focused than exploration/progression focused. So here you have my “Logical Progression” Science Mode guide. There is minimal non-destination science or biome hopping, and each mission gets you progressively further into the Kerbol system. Part 1 – Kerbin and it’s Moons Mission 1 – Learn to Science! Mission 2 – Go to Space! Mission 3 – Orbit Kerbin! Mission 4 – Fly by the Mun! Mission 5 – Land a Probe on the Mun! Mission 6 – Land a Kerbal on Minmus! (and Return) Part 2 – Interplanetary Travel To be continued… *Note - This guide does not teach you how to play KSP. Use the in-game tutorials and/or watch Scott Manley videos on YouTube. Mission 1 – Learn to Science! - We don’t have the technology to get to space yet, so we’ll just learn how to science - In the VAB, build a ship with o Mk1 Command Pod o Mystery Goo Containment Unit - Name/Save the ship and Launch - From LaunchPad o Crew Report (1.5) o EVA Report (2.4) o Take Surface Sample (9.0) o Observe Mystery Goo (3.0) - Recover Vessel (Mission 15.9/15.9 Total Science) - In the R&D Facility unlock o Basic Rocketry (5) o Engineering 101 (5) o 5.9 remaining - The liquid fueled engines and decouplers should help get us to space and back Mission 2 – Go to Space! - We should be able to use the liquid fueled engines to escape the atmosphere - In the VAB, build a ship with o Mk1 Command Pod o Mk16 Parachute (Stage 0) o 2x Mystery Goo Containment Unit o 2x 2HOT Thermometer o TD-12 Decoupler (Stage 1) o 5x FL-T100 Fuel Tank o 4x Basic Fin o LV-45 “Swivel” Liquid Fuel Engine (Stage 2) - Name/Save the ship and Launch - Launch! - In Space Near Kerbin o Crew Report (5.0) o EVA Report (8.0) o Observe Mystery Goo (10.0) o Log Temperature (8.0) - Decouple and Parachute down - From wherever you landed (try to save Kerbin’s Water for later missions) o EVA Report (2.4) o Take Surface Sample (9.0) o Observe Mystery Goo (3.0) o Log Temperature (2.4) - Recover Vessel (8.0) (Mission 55.8/61.7 Total Science) - In the R&D Facility unlock o General Rocketry (20) o Stability (18) o Survivability (15) o 8.7 Remaining - Larger fuel tanks and radial decouplers should get us an orbit-worthy ship Mission 3 – Orbit Kerbin! - We don’t have an efficient enough engine to get to the Mun so we’ll settle for high orbit - In the VAB, build a ship with o Mk1 Command Pod o Mk16 Parachute (Stage 0) o 2x Mystery Goo Containment Unit o 2x 2HOT Thermometer o 2x PresMat Barometer o Heat Shield (1.25m) o TD-12 Decoupler (Stage 1) o 5x FL-T200 Fuel Tank o 4x AV-T1 Winglet o LV-45 “Swivel” Liquid Fuel Engine (Stage 2) o 2x TT-38K Radial Decoupler (Stage 2) o 2x RT-10 “Hammer” Solid Fuel Booster (Stage 3) o 2x Aerodynamic Nose Cone - Name/Save the ship and Launch - In Space High Over Kerbin (250KM) o Crew Report (7.5) o EVA Report (12.0) o Observe Mystery Goo (15.0) o Log Pressure Data (18.0) o Log Temperature (12.0) - De-Orbit, Decouple and Parachute down - From wherever you landed, as long as it’s not the same place as before (Water gives more) o EVA Report (2.4) o Take Surface Sample (9.0) o Observe Mystery Goo (3.0) o Log Pressure Data (3.6) o Log Temperature (2.4) - Recover Vessel (10.0) (Mission 94.9/103.6 Total Science) - In the R&D Facility unlock o Advanced Rocketry (45) o Basic Science (45) o 13.6 Remaining - The LV-909 “Terrier” is our ticket to the Mun Mission 4 – Mun Flyby! - Let’s try to get a closer look before trying to land (and some science for a nice probe) - In the VAB, build a ship with o Mk1 Command Pod o Mk16 Parachute (Stage 0) o 2x Mystery Goo Containment Unit o 2x 2HOT Thermometer o 2x PresMat Barometer o SC-9001 Science Jr. o Heat Shield (1.25m) o TD-12 Decoupler (Stage 1) o FL-T400 Fuel Tank o LV-909 “Terrier” Liquid Fuel Engine (Stage 2) o TD-12 Decoupler (Stage 3) o 3x FL-T400 Fuel Tank o 4x AV-T1 Winglet o LV-45 “Swivel” Liquid Fuel Engine (Stage 4) o 2x TT-38K Radial Decoupler (Stage 4) o 2x BACC “Thumper” Solid Fuel Booster (Stage 5) o 2x Aerodynamic Nose Cone - Name/Save the ship and Launch - For an extra challenge, go for a free return trajectory - In Space High Over The Mun o Crew Report (10.0) o EVA Report (16.0) o Observe Materials Bay (50.0) o Observe Mystery Goo (20.0) o Log Pressure Data (24.0) o Log Temperature (16.0) - De-Orbit, Decouple and Parachute down - If you happen to land somewhere new, grab some extra science - Recover Vessel (12.0) (Mission 148.0/161.6 Total Science) - In the R&D Facility unlock o Flight Control (45) o Electrics (90) (26.6 Remaining) - The OKTO, Photovoltic Panels, and Reaction Wheel will be essential to our probes Mission 5 – Land a probe on The Mun! - Time to try a landing…without putting any Kerbals at risk - In the VAB, build a ship with o Probodobodyne OKTO o 4x OX-SAT Photovoltic Panels o 4x Z-100 Rechargeable Battery Pack o Small Inline Reaction Wheel o Communotron 16 o 2x 2HOT Thermometer o 2x PresMat Barometer o SC-9001 Science Jr. o 2x Mystery Goo Containment Unit o FL-T200 Fuel Tank o 4x LT-05 Micro Landing Strut o LV-909 “Terrier” Liquid Fuel Engine (Stage 0) o TD-12 Decoupler (Stage 1) o 4x FL-T400 Fuel Tank o 4x AV-T1 Winglet o LV-45 “Swivel” Liquid Fuel Engine (Stage 2) o 2x TT-38K Radial Decoupler (Stage 4) o 2x BACC “Thumper” Solid Fuel Booster (Stage 5) o 2x Aerodynamic Nose Cone - Name/Save the ship and Launch - In Space Near The Mun o Observe Mystery Goo (12.2) o Log Pressure Data (25.2) o Log Temperature (16.8) - Landed on The Mun o Observe Materials Bay (49.0) o Observe Mystery Goo (16.8) o Log Pressure Data (33.6) o Log Temperature (22.4) - Return to KSC (Mission 176.0/202.6 Total Science) - In the R&D Facility unlock o Fuel Systems (90) o Landing (90) (22.6 Remaining) - The external fuel duct will help us design a return vehicle for a Minmus mission Mission 6 – Land a Kerbal on Minmus! (and Return) - Finally it’s time to go where no Kerbal has gone before - In the VAB, build a ship with o Mk1 Command Pod o Mk16 Parachute (Stage 0) o 2x Mystery Goo Containment Unit o 2x 2HOT Thermometer o 2x PresMat Barometer o Heat Shield (1.25m) o TD-12 Decoupler (Stage 1) o FL-T100 Fuel Tank o LV-909 “Terrier” Liquid Fuel Engine (Stage 2) o TD-12 Decoupler (Stage 3) o SC-9001 Science Jr. o 2x FL-T200 Fuel Tank (Beside the Science Jr.) o 4x Aerodynamic Nose Cone (Top and Bottom) o 2x FTX-2 External Fuel Duct (Fuel tanks to Terrier) o LV-909 “Terrier” Liquid Fuel Engine (Stage 4) o 4x LT-1 Landing Struts o TD-12 Decoupler (Stage 5) o 3x FL-T800 Fuel Tank o 4x AV-T1 Winglet o LV-45 “Swivel” Liquid Fuel Engine (Stage 6) o 4x TT-38K Radial Decoupler (Stage 6) o 4x BACC “Thumper” Solid Fuel Booster (Stage 7) o 4x Aerodynamic Nose Cone - Name/Save the ship and Launch - In Space Near Minmus o EVA Report (32.0) o Observe Mystery Goo (40.0) o Log Pressure Data (48.0) o Log Temperature (32.0) - Landed on Minmus o Crew Report (25.0) o EVA Report (40.0) o Take Surface Sample (150.0) o Observe Materials Bay (125.0) o Observe Mystery Goo (50.0) o Log Pressure Data (60.0) o Log Temperature (40.0) - Retreive Data from the Science Jr. - Decouple and Launch back to Kerbin - De-Orbit, Decouple and Parachute down - If you happen to land somewhere new, grab some extra science - Recover Vessel (37.5) (Mission 679.5/702.1 Total Science) This should be more than enough science to escape Kerbin’s SOI and go interplanetary!

I feel that the tech tree that is currently in the game seems a little backwards? I think you should be sending small probes into space before sending people. A further addition to this may be aircraft before some of that, than go to probes/rovers than manned and probably back to supersonic/advanced spaceflight. Possibly keeping the other tech tree and having the difficulty the game is set on define what kind of tech tree it uses.

I am brainstorming a way to allow for the maxTemp & skinMaxTemp to be raised incrementally as you progress through a career. Quite a few planet packs use "hazardous oceans", and what these "oceans" do is simulate heat being radiated from the surface or ocean, eventually leading to an explosion or a puff of smoke where a kerbal once stood. What Im hoping to achieve is simple: Upgrade the Astronaut Complex to level 2 and it increases the maxTemp of a kerbal by 400. Upgrade the complex to level three and it will increase the maxTemp by another 400. Anything over 1600 is a bit overkill and unrealistic i feel. Retreating to the vessel to cool down should be required at some point. I was hoping this could be possible with Custom Barn Kit or KRnD but I'm afraid it's not at the moment. @sarbian maybe is this something that could work in Custom Barn Kit?