[1.12.x] Cryogenic Engines: Liquid Hydrogen and Methane Rockets! (August 13, 2024)

[Ryaja]

4 hours ago, Mr. Kerbin said:

Uh… It won’t break any saves

Nertea has explicitly stated he will mess up the parts to discourage use.

[Mr. Kerbin]

3 minutes ago, Ryaja said:

Nertea has explicitly stated he will mess up the parts to discourage use.

He could mean making it's stats really bad, because he did say he won't remove them- that would break saves.

[Ryaja]

Making the stats terrible would too man. It'd break anything using them.

[Mr. Kerbin]

4 minutes ago, Ryaja said:

Making the stats terrible would too man. It'd break anything using them.

I think you mean functionally.

I mean break saves as you cannot play that save anymore.

@Matt Lownes Blunderbirds might see a rise in business!

[Ryaja]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Kerbin said:

I think you mean functionally.

I mean break saves as you cannot play that save anymore.

@Matt Lownes Blunderbirds might see a rise in business!

If all my craft suddenly stop functioning as intended that's a broken save.

[Mr. Kerbin]

2 minutes ago, Ryaja said:

If all my craft suddenly stop functioning as intended that's a broken save.

Asking purely for clarification.

So a save where a few (in my case) craft don't work, where you can still launch craft to fix stuff, you'd rather just start over, because you might as well give up everything you worked on?

[Pxtseryu]

1 hour ago, Mr. Kerbin said:

So a save where a few (in my case) craft don't work, where you can still launch craft to fix stuff, you'd rather just start over, because you might as well give up everything you worked on?

Devil's advocate: if your CKAN automatically updates your mods and a craft or mission or permanent station has those parts, and they completely brick, what the love is the random person who doesn't know anything about the drama meant to do?

[MinimumSky5]

We don't know what is meant by "discourage their use", it could also simply be something like settjng their cost stupidly high. Until Nertea themselves confirms what is meant by that, let's maybe think a bit before catastrophising.

[Mr. Kerbin]

8 hours ago, Pxtseryu said:

Devil's advocate: if your CKAN automatically updates your mods and a craft or mission or permanent station has those parts, and they completely brick, what the love is the random person who doesn't know anything about the drama meant to do?

Eh, okay I see your point there.

[Krakatoa]

But also, if you have a running modded save, you shouldn't have auto updates enabled. Something would break eventually if you aren't checking change logs.

[Rakete]

Sorry to say so, but I think it's not the best descision to remove content or make certain engines bad due to some RL politics issues. Such decisions simply punish the player, who has nothing to do with politics. KSP is a game that is distributed globally. 90% of the players have nothing to do with the countries and people involved. 

The related RL persons are not affected by removing some parts of a mod for a very niche game. This decision simply hurts the wrong people.

 

P.S.: I still don't know what the reason behind this completely - northern america is not in the focus everywhere in the world. I assume something about Trump & Musk. Don't get me wrong, but we - the mod users - are not guilty... don't punish us by taking away loved content.

[funnelton]

29 minutes ago, Rakete said:

Sorry to say so, but I think it's not the best descision to remove content or make certain engines bad due to some RL politics issues. Such decisions simply punish the player, who has nothing to do with politics. KSP is a game that is distributed globally. 90% of the players have nothing to do with the countries and people involved. 

The related RL persons are not affected by removing some parts of a mod for a very niche game. This decision simply hurts the wrong people.

 

P.S.: I still don't know what the reason behind this completely - northern america is not in the focus everywhere in the world. I assume something about Trump & Musk. Don't get me wrong, but we - the mod users - are not guilty... don't punish us by taking away loved content.

Aye dont worry, replacements for the parts are already being worked on! I mean they wont be the same as the deprecated ones but still, they'll still fill the same niche.

Edited Thursday at 09:08 PM by funnelton

[Syczek]

So those engines are removed because of politics?? Lol reminds me person called Apollodown from Skyrim nexus. They removed their mods because voting for [politics]. Thanks to that they lost majority of users and reputation, wich one wasn't the best before bcs they act like clown. Maybe next time name those engines after myths. Anyways this decision must hurt the person who adress this, oh wait it hurt us yours fans. Lost major chunk of respect because of that

Edited Friday at 11:15 PM by Vanamonde

[Rakete]

3 hours ago, Syczek said:

So those engines are removed because of politics?? Lol reminds me person called Apollodown from Skyrim nexus. They removed their mods because voting for [politics]. Thanks to that they lost majority of users and reputation, wich one wasn't the best before bcs they act like clown. Maybe next time name those engines after myths. Anyways this decision must hurt the person who adress this, oh wait it hurt us yours fans. Lost major chunk of respect because of that

To my mind it's advisable in general to keep rl politics and patriotism for some country out of gaming forums. RL controverses simply don't have anything in common with the respective gaming forum's content focus. I am pleased, that noone here insists on promoting his/her own nationality. Here we are all the same: dedicated KSP players and content creators. Nothing else should matter. I don't care, if you are american, ukranian, russian, canadian, french, chinese, german, japanese... we are all one community. 

We shouldn't let RL stuff divide is in our enjoyment of this magnificent space flight sim.

Edited Friday at 11:15 PM by Vanamonde

[Nertea]

Sigh. This isn't up for debate. It's not punishing people for politics, it's just that I do not want to have this stuff in my mods. 

Here's a thing I wrote for a different community, which strips all the politics out so it's less loaded that may communicate understanding.

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So imagine you listen to a band, you like it very much. You don't think the band is really made or broken by and of its members, it's just a great all-around band and you're excited about the music they're making, and the music they're probably going to make in the future. You don't really care about spreading the word that the band is good - it's just neat and you kinda want to share that with everyone so we can all be excited together. In fact, you like it so much you start making and giving away merch for the band, because people say you're good at that type of thing.

Except eventually, the frontman gets really vocal in interviews, especially as the band really makes it big and becomes one of the biggest bands in the world. He even starts a few other music projects, which are all not to your taste, but maybe it's all good as long as he doesn't mess with the original band's sound. Of course though, it does, just a small bit, and you start to wonder whether the frontman was kinda just like this and you overlooked it in the past because the music was good. Then he really goes to town, and the stuff he says and does starts really pushing the envelope, especially when he points out that you and people like you aren't real, and shouldn't exist. That hurts, and again, you maybe focus on the band a bit, not the frontman. But eventually, everyone talking about the band is really just unifying the person and the band. It's not a band, it's frontman's band in every news article and that puts you square in a bad place. And it's weird that nobody else in the band is doing any kind of refutations or pushback on that crazy stuff. There's a lot of reasons that could be happening and none of them are great.

So you stop distributing that merch advertising the band, because no matter how great the sound could be, you can't be advertising it anymore.

 

Also, see this note in the NF thread for an important service annoncement: 

 

Edited Friday at 08:47 PM by Nertea

[MinimumSky5]

51 minutes ago, Rakete said:

To my mind it's advisable in general to keep rl politics and patriotism for some country out of gaming forums. RL controverses simply don't have anything in common with the respective gaming forum's content focus. I am pleased, that noone here insists on promoting his/her own nationality. Here we are all the same: dedicated KSP players and content creators. Nothing else should matter. I don't care, if you are american, ukranian, russian, canadian, french, chinese, german, japanese... we are all one community. 

We shouldn't let RL stuff divide is in our enjoyment of this magnificent space flight sim.

I agree that we should all respect each other no matter background or nationality, but politics permeates every aspect of life, as almost every action possible has, at one point or another, become a political debate. If a modder is uncomfortable with creating a part due to RL stuff, of any type, we have no right to force them to continue to support the mod as it exists, or take the development one way or another. All we can, and should, do is vote with our downloads.

[Svm420]

58 minutes ago, Nertea said:

Sigh. This isn't up for debate. It's not punishing people for politics, it's just that I do not want to have this stuff in my mods. 

Here's a thing I wrote for a different community, which strips all the politics out so it's less loaded that may communicate understanding.

 

Art requires creativity. Creativity requires an artist. Artist's require respect. I can't express the joy using your creations brings me. KSP would not be what it is with all the people who share there time, creativity and labor with the community for the most part without asking anything in return. So with that in mind I respect and welcome all decisions regarding the direction of your creations; Full stop. Can't wait to see what you share with us next  

[Gargamel]

Politics and the discussion of have no place on this forum.   Given the nature of the discussion at hand, we will not remove any of the offending discussion, as it would make the conversation rather confusing and ambiguous.    
Hopefully @Nertea’s post answers any questions.   It is a modders right to include or not any material as they see fit.    
We consider the matter closed at this point, and further posts with political content will be handled accordingly to our rules.  

[harveylates]

5 hours ago, Nertea said:

Sigh. This isn't up for debate. It's not punishing people for politics, it's just that I do not want to have this stuff in my mods. 

thats fine but you should be open and allow people to have a seperate mod that readds the controversial parts so that saves wont break and other stuff but untill that happens i am sticking to an older version

thanks,

harvey

[MinimumSky5]

10 hours ago, harveylates said:

thats fine but you should be open and allow people to have a seperate mod that readds the controversial parts so that saves wont break and other stuff but untill that happens i am sticking to an older version

thanks,

harvey

 

[Gargamel]

Some posts have been removed.   Further discussion of politics will result in official warns.