Mister Dilsby Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Go Bob go! So, what do you think is the fuel balance problem? Or maybe a better question: what do you know so far [I]is not [/I]the fuel balance problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotius Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Deep Space mission ahead :D Duna? Eve? Dres? Can't wait for the new, proper chapter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanic Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Dres! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkaboy Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 [quote name='Kuzzter']Go Bob go! So, what do you think is the fuel balance problem? Or maybe a better question: what do you know so far [I]is not [/I]the fuel balance problem?[/QUOTE] I have no idea. The fuel lines are all in place, but for some reason they're not draining from the central tanks at the same rate. Temporary solution will be to forbid use of central tanks and drain to the radial ones as needed. For some reason, there are also a couple of ladders missing. I'll have to build them at Yardstick Base and install via KAS. Seriously, that thing is a deathtrap. Bob may be trying too hard to be brave, he should have many concerns. Especially with where it's going... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemist Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I've had couple cases when fuel lines just ran into struts with such result. And due to simple imprecisions of a group of symmetrically placed lines some may hit the symmetrically placed struts when others don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noname117 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I might know what is going on here. Had similar problems with an old shuttle project. Here's the thread Kasuha made awhile back about fuel flow rules: [URL="http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/64362-Fuel-Flow-Rules-%280-24-2%29?highlight=Kasuha"]http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/64362-Fuel-Flow-Rules-%280-24-2%29?highlight=Kasuha[/URL] See if anything there defines the problem you are having. I do not know how much of it has been patched though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomRyan Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I said the words with a deep (not so deep) voice.sounds cool (you should try it!) So, any ETA on Vol.2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkaboy Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 [quote name='Noname117']I might know what is going on here. Had similar problems with an old shuttle project. Here's the thread Kasuha made awhile back about fuel flow rules: [URL="http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/64362-Fuel-Flow-Rules-%280-24-2%29?highlight=Kasuha"]http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/64362-Fuel-Flow-Rules-%280-24-2%29?highlight=Kasuha[/URL][/QUOTE] Yeah, I really don't know what's the issue. I'll have to do some tests myself later. [quote name='RandomRyan']I said the words with a deep (not so deep) voice.sounds cool (you should try it!) So, any ETA on Vol.2?[/QUOTE] Can't give an ETA, because while things are moving slowly right now, they'll move faster during summer break in a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drethon Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I have to say, while I might wish the story was written faster (but would rather keep seeing a quality story than rush you), I love the pacing within the story. It makes things feel epic as they build this program a piece at a time and we see the pieces coming together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkaboy Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Hey, just stopping by to say Plan Kappa isn't dead. Right now I'm wrapping up the school year, and you can probably expect Vol. 2 to start in two weeks, maybe even earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Kerman Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 This month my plans got totally derailed but I might have some interiors for you in a couple of weeks.:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FyunchClick Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Yay. And just as I'm back from my extended business trip and ready for some entertainment. As to the fuel lines, did you ever figure out the imbalance. If you added the fuel lines without symmetry, see if the lines connect from and to same sized tanks. I noticed the flow rate seems to be influenced by the tanks it's connecting to, so if you link it to a different size fuel tank on that stack, it'll flow slower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkaboy Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 46 minutes ago, FyunchClick said: Yay. And just as I'm back from my extended business trip and ready for some entertainment. As to the fuel lines, did you ever figure out the imbalance. If you added the fuel lines without symmetry, see if the lines connect from and to same sized tanks. I noticed the flow rate seems to be influenced by the tanks it's connecting to, so if you link it to a different size fuel tank on that stack, it'll flow slower. Well, here's what I know so far: the KSS Hardihood has a central stack of tanks, and four radial stacks of tanks. The engines are on the radial tanks. These draw fuel from the center stack via fuel lines, and the fuel lines are symmetric and correctly attached. The radial stacks draw fuel from the center stack all right, but when the center stack empties, two of the radial stacks, on one side, start drawing fuel from the other two. This shouldn't be possible, since it goes against the flow direction of the fuel lines. I think for some reason the radial tanks are crossing fuel with the center tanks they are directly attached with. Other than rebuilding the ship, the only solution I could find was to turn off the radial stacks and keep refueling the center stack from them manually. Hope that's enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkaboy Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Okay, the wait is over. Volume 2 starts now! Here we go! Hope you all enjoy Kerbin while it lasts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dilsby Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Fantastic return, Parkaboy! I love everything about the Zonkers, and am going to be watching this with one eye on Melbart and the other on the Evil Overlord list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemist Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Being wrong about plenty of time... Did he count it by Minmus days? Or did the anomalies escalate quickier than expected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkaboy Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 4 minutes ago, Alchemist said: Being wrong about plenty of time... Did he count it by Minmus days? Or did the anomalies escalate quickier than expected? I'm sure Bill was counting by Kerbin days, since Yardstick Base is kept on KSC hours... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Rocket Scientist Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 HAHAHA! Witness the power of my fully armed and operational mobile VAB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwhip Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 7 minutes ago, Mad Rocket Scientist said: HAHAHA! Witness the power of my fully armed and operational mobile VAB! Launch the reckless tanker truck drivers of DOOM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deddly Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I like the design, especially the sideways-yet-correctly-oriented crew cabins. And it's a nice touch to have a Kerbal on EVA assembling the antennae. Very good piece of work, Parkaboy. We've missed you more than Jeb misses Bob, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemist Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 20 minutes ago, Parkaboy said: I'm sure Bill was counting by Kerbin days, since Yardstick Base is kept on KSC hours... Well, it's easy to get carried away a bit when you have different daylight cycle... I even considered this for a base module. And of course it rarely goes fully according to the plan in KSP On the other note, for anomalous crossfeed on the other craft you might want to compare it to this bugreport. The anomaly in terms of craft file turned to be some parts link references appearing on the wrong stacks (and so draining fuel from one stack and giving it to the other as fantom fuel lines). You might try checking the craft/save file for this kind of mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starhawk Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Great update! Thanks Parkaboy. 'Wrong on both counts.' That sounds very ominous. Like knowing Kerbin's going to end isn't ominous enough! Now I'm seriously worried about the fates of two entire space programs. Happy Concerned landings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkaboy Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 22 minutes ago, Alchemist said: On the other note, for anomalous crossfeed on the other craft you might want to compare it to this bugreport. The anomaly in terms of craft file turned to be some parts link references appearing on the wrong stacks (and so draining fuel from one stack and giving it to the other as fantom fuel lines). You might try checking the craft/save file for this kind of mess. Whoa, I think you nailed it. I have to check the persistence file, but it matches. Each radial stack has a reaction wheel on top, that coul be the root of the issue. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemist Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 15 minutes ago, Parkaboy said: Each radial stack has a reaction wheel on top, that coul be the root of the issue. Thanks! Well, I don't think it's SAS specifically that is to blame, but putting things on top of symmetric stacks seems to have quite an increased proportion of broken symmetry bugs (and this one seems to be a silent case of that - that is visually correct, but with crossfeed logic going haywire). On the other hand, that craft (yes, it was N1 replica. It can't be built without problems on the first stage) was like the only case I've got such results... or at least the only only one I tracked down to such an anomaly not blamed on fuel lines (well, I blamed them initially, but it persisted without them) and just fixed by rebuilding. So congratulations on catching a rare bug! (Do we have an entomologist?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMSP Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 That felt so good to read. It's so good you're back, everything is going to be so awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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