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  On 9/20/2016 at 5:42 AM, Foxxonius Augustus said:

Sometimes Hype needs helpers and one of mine found this.

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I'd love a poster of that for sure! In the time waiting, the Saturn INT-18 is on the pad: Left the interstage skirt on to act as a giant "bell" to keep the expansion ratio decent for the S-II SL liftoff, x4 UA1205 SRMs to help TWR

Saturn INT-18 On the Launchpad

Saturn INT-18 pitch initiated

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  On 9/20/2016 at 1:31 PM, Abrecan said:

I'd love a poster of that for sure! In the time waiting, the Saturn INT-18 is on the pad: Left the interstage skirt on to act as a giant "bell" to keep the expansion ratio decent for the S-II SL liftoff, x4 UA1205 SRMs to help TWR

Saturn INT-18 On the Launchpad

Saturn INT-18 pitch initiated

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They made a variant with Minuteman rockets actually. Just S-II and S-IVB.

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@CobaltWolf, I had a peak at the roadmap, I noticed that the Saturn C2 was missing. As far as I know, Saturn C2 was the Saturn 1 with a "high-energy" stage squeezed inbetween the S-1 stage and the S-IBN stage. All you'd need to make is a 3.75m x4 1.25m engine mount for the J2's. For the tank, we could just use the stretched S-IVB tank for the Saturn Multibody. Saturn C-3 is just the Saturn C-2, but with the dual F-1, 5m first stage.

 

 

 

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  On 9/20/2016 at 4:42 PM, awsumindyman said:

@CobaltWolf, I had a peak at the roadmap, I noticed that the Saturn C2 was missing. As far as I know, Saturn C2 was the Saturn 1 with a "high-energy" stage squeezed inbetween the S-1 stage and the S-IBN stage. All you'd need to make is a 3.75m x4 1.25m engine mount for the J2's. For the tank, we could just use the stretched S-IVB tank for the Saturn Multibody. Saturn C-3 is just the Saturn C-2, but with the dual F-1, 5m first stage.

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I would love one as well. however, I do have an issue with it: The Sarnus 1 first stage can barely hold up an S-IVB with LF/O in it. (this is why Cobalt STRONGLY recommends CryoEngines; LqdHydrogen is much lighter.) However, with a 'High energy' and an 'S-IBN' stage, how could one make it able to take off without CryoEngines?

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  On 9/19/2016 at 9:53 PM, pTrevTrevs said:

Lots of Saturn hype here, but let me take a moment to share my Pioneer 4 Moon flyby in SSRSS.

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Nice! That poor rocket never got enough love in real life (though for justifiable reasons) so it's nice to see it getting used here. And your mission results seem to be par for the course for early US lunar missions.

  On 9/20/2016 at 5:42 AM, Foxxonius Augustus said:

Sometimes Hype needs helpers and one of mine found this.

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(P.S. Please be kind to the thread and snip the pic!)

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Man I could stare at that for hours...

  On 9/20/2016 at 1:31 PM, Abrecan said:

I'd love a poster of that for sure! In the time waiting, the Saturn INT-18 is on the pad: Left the interstage skirt on to act as a giant "bell" to keep the expansion ratio decent for the S-II SL liftoff, x4 UA1205 SRMs to help TWR

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  On 9/20/2016 at 1:52 PM, Abrecan said:

The INT-19 used Minuteman-1 SRMs (4 to 12 to be exact), the INT-18 used 4 UA1205 or UA1207 SRMs

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18 on left, 19 on the right

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Very cool! I was never really sold on that launcher until now - that looks pretty neat! Enough that I'll forgive you for using the wrong mod. ^.^ There was actually a fair amount of variation in the Saturn II proposals, so you could actually do even more tweaking with it. Makes me wonder when/if BDB will have hydrolox lifting engines. There is the modified LR-87 in the mod right now...

  On 9/20/2016 at 4:42 PM, awsumindyman said:

@CobaltWolf, I had a peak at the roadmap, I noticed that the Saturn C2 was missing. As far as I know, Saturn C2 was the Saturn 1 with a "high-energy" stage squeezed inbetween the S-1 stage and the S-IBN stage. All you'd need to make is a 3.75m x4 1.25m engine mount for the J2's. For the tank, we could just use the stretched S-IVB tank for the Saturn Multibody. Saturn C-3 is just the Saturn C-2, but with the dual F-1, 5m first stage.

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C-3 used, to my understanding, what would be a 5m version of the S-II stage (notice that it is not differentiated in name between those two variants, and the Saturn V / C-5 second stage) but still with 4 J2s. I know I definitely want to do that version, with that mounting plate. It wouldn't be hard to do some rescaling/tweaking with the mesh to get both versions of the mount. However, I doubt that you'll be able to work it - the Saturn 1B in BDB already has somewhat atrocious TWR, and the real one sat at 1.26 TWR according to Astronautix. I think it's a larger scale version of von Braun's Juno IV proposal, where it would never fly fully fueled, and the fuel loads in the stages would vary to provide the best TWR curve given a payload and its destination. So essentially, not as big/powerful a rocket as it appears just by looking at it.

Also, is S-IBN an autocorrect error? C-2 would have used the S-IV stage as a third stage, and then S-V (a modified centaur) as an optional 4th.

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  On 9/20/2016 at 5:13 PM, davidy12 said:

@CobaltWolf: Will the 260s be a 3.75m Diameter? (IE: Saturn INT-05)

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  On 9/20/2016 at 5:14 PM, CobaltWolf said:

Yes. Likely both length variants. @VenomousRequiem already did a rough model for them IIRC.

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Yes sir I did, and yes they're 3.75m in diameter. 

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