MaverickSawyer Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Can confirm that BDB as it stands now is fully functional in 1.5.0, no fixes needed at present Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jso Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 6:16 PM, Marcelo Silveira said: The first patch replaces the monopropellant fuel cells with more 'realistic' hydrogen-oxygen ones used by the Apollo and Gemini programs. They have the same output (1.5Ec/s) but considerably different mass flow rate. Expand That's already in the TACLS patch. I didn't add it to stock since water and oxygen are useless for most players. It's definitely a superior fuel cell though. On 10/15/2018 at 6:16 PM, Marcelo Silveira said: The second patch adds ResourceScanners to the following parts: Expand That looks neat. We could add those scanners to the parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 11:00 PM, Jso said: That's already in the TACLS patch. I didn't add it to stock since water and oxygen are useless for most players. It's definitely a superior fuel cell though. That looks neat. We could add those scanners to the parts. Expand Yeah, I don't think the scanners could possibly hurt anything and it's kind of amusing to know what they are measuring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakenex Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 4:17 PM, CobaltWolf said: 1.5 compatibility when?!? Expand I'll do you one better: why is 1.5?? and LDC Titan main engine mounts when??? Just kidding :D, Youtube is down so I'm bored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowfish Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 With the RD-180 and new Castor-30 XL I made something resembling Antares-Cygnus Made something resembling an engine shroud with a payload fairing and a decoupler Spacecraft is probably a bit bigger than it should be (had to use an expanded fairing) but BDB doesn't have a 1.875m resupply module soo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jso Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/17/2018 at 6:13 AM, blowfish said: Spacecraft is probably a bit bigger than it should be (had to use an expanded fairing) but BDB doesn't have a 1.875m resupply module soo... Expand Your first three screenshots aren't showing. "Access Denied". The MOS-PCS Pressurized Cargo Segment and MOS-UCS Unpressurized Cargo Segment are 1.875. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted October 17, 2018 Author Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) On 10/17/2018 at 2:23 AM, Drakenex said: I'll do you one better: why is 1.5?? and LDC Titan main engine mounts when??? Just kidding :D, Youtube is down so I'm bored Expand Still humming and hawing over it... I do like the look of that one you have on there for the 4x mount. Is that Cormorant's LRB engine mount? EDIT: Just saw the fairing base. Nice. Edited October 17, 2018 by CobaltWolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jso Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Anyone have any feelings on this Hydrogen/Oxygen fuel cell that was proposed instead of monoprop for Apollo and Gemini? @CobaltWolf and myself are kind of on the fence on this one but leaning towards no, mainly because it's harmless, but why bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted October 17, 2018 Author Share Posted October 17, 2018 Apparently BDB is good enough for Squad to use in their official screenshots... https://www.kerbalspaceprogram.com/en/?page_id=11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakenex Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Nice of them to give you and @TiktaalikDreamingcredit ..... oh wait ... On 10/17/2018 at 12:55 PM, CobaltWolf said: Still humming and hawing over it... I do like the look of that one you have on there for the 4x mount. Is that Cormorant's LRB engine mount? EDIT: Just saw the fairing base. Nice. Expand very versatile fairing base! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowfish Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/17/2018 at 11:04 AM, Jso said: Your first three screenshots aren't showing. "Access Denied". Expand They seem fine to me. Even in incognito... On 10/17/2018 at 11:04 AM, Jso said: The MOS-PCS Pressurized Cargo Segment and MOS-UCS Unpressurized Cargo Segment are 1.875. Expand I saw the unpressurized one but missed the pressurized one. Guess I'll have to do some redesigning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesecake Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) On 10/18/2018 at 1:50 AM, blowfish said: They seem fine to me. Even in incognito... Expand I can not see the pics too. There`s only a screenshot3.png without a link or pic. Edited October 18, 2018 by Cheesecake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 1:50 AM, blowfish said: They seem fine to me. Even in incognito... Expand I also can't see them. On 10/17/2018 at 11:03 PM, Drakenex said: very versatile fairing base! Expand Hmm, I have the 5XX outer shell mostly done, I just haven't been able to figure out how the skeletal interstage should work... The fairing base and the interstage have to be separate for gameplay reasons. I wish I could just do it like the real one, with the flange that comes up to meet the centaur, but the fairing base and decoupler need to be on different parts unless people don't mind being forced to stage them together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakenex Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 1:09 PM, CobaltWolf said: Hmm, I have the 5XX outer shell mostly done, I just haven't been able to figure out how the skeletal interstage should work... The fairing base and the interstage have to be separate for gameplay reasons. I wish I could just do it like the real one, with the flange that comes up to meet the centaur, but the fairing base and decoupler need to be on different parts unless people don't mind being forced to stage them together. Expand 2 The Altas V "Forward Load Reactors" (nerdy accent) eject seconds after fairing separation, so if they stage at the same time we're fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 1:17 PM, Drakenex said: The Altas V "Forward Load Reactors" (nerdy accent) eject seconds after fairing separation, so if they stage at the same time we're fine! Expand Oh, I was talking about the conical section that comes up to meet the Centaur in the same spot the BDB interstages connect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakenex Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 1:18 PM, CobaltWolf said: Oh, I was talking about the conical section that comes up to meet the Centaur in the same spot the BDB interstages connect. Expand ohh I see Well, on my implementation, the CIA and the Boattail are fused on a single part, and the engine mount node attaches very near to the top of the CIA (because of your Atlas V 4XX fairing having a floor it clips). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) On 10/18/2018 at 1:23 PM, Drakenex said: ohh I see Well, on my implementation, the CIA and the Boattail are fused on a single part, and the engine mount node attaches very near to the top of the CIA (because of your Atlas V 4XX fairing having a floor it clips). Expand Hmmph... I had a picture of how the (at least, outer shell) was supposed to look, but I can't find it... @Jso do you think we could have like a dummy animation to hold the centaur in for a couple seconds before decoupling with our animated decoupler module? Then they can just be one part? EDIT: Found a screenshot I had uploaded to Discord. Edited October 18, 2018 by CobaltWolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakenex Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 1:31 PM, CobaltWolf said: Hmmph... I had a picture of how the (at least, outer shell) was supposed to look, but I can't find it... @Jso do you think we could have like a dummy animation to hold the centaur in for a couple seconds before decoupling with our animated decoupler module? Then they can just be one part? EDIT: Found a screenshot I had uploaded to Discord. Expand 1 Looks amazing! if the colliders allow it, decoupling will be no issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jso Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 1:31 PM, CobaltWolf said: do you think we could have like a dummy animation to hold the centaur in for a couple seconds before decoupling with our animated decoupler module? Expand It should work. Why cant just any old decoupler be attached to the bottom of centaur, then attach the fairing adapter to that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakenex Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 3:30 PM, Jso said: It should work. Why cant just any old decoupler be attached to the bottom of centaur, then attach the fairing adapter to that? Expand Because the bottom of the centaur, one or two RL-10 engines, are inside the fairing unlike any other (like 1/8 of the total centaur) so maybe adding a decoupler to the node attaching the fairing to the Centaur engine mount node is a better idea? just my two cents! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jso Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 3:36 PM, Drakenex said: Because the bottom of the centaur, one or two RL-10 engines, are inside the fairing unlike any other (like 1/8 of the total centaur) so maybe adding a decoupler to the node attaching the fairing to the Centaur engine mount node is a better idea? just my two cents! Expand Good point. In that case we would need a new decoupler with a raised top node to catch the hidden node in the engine mount. We need one anyway for using Centaur in any non standard way. Like putting one under a Saturn fairing. We use the straight interstage for that now but it's ugly in that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 3:36 PM, Drakenex said: Because the bottom of the centaur, one or two RL-10 engines, are inside the fairing unlike any other (like 1/8 of the total centaur) so maybe adding a decoupler to the node attaching the fairing to the Centaur engine mount node is a better idea? just my two cents! Expand On 10/18/2018 at 3:41 PM, Jso said: Good point. In that case we would need a new decoupler with a raised top node to catch the hidden node in the engine mount. We need one anyway for using Centaur in any non standard way. Like putting one under a Saturn fairing. We use the straight interstage for that now but it's ugly in that role. Expand Yeah, that's why I was working on a 1.875m truss interstage that would look more appropriate for encapsulated Centaurs, including the Titan ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakenex Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 3:43 PM, CobaltWolf said: Yeah, that's why I was working on a 1.875m truss interstage that would look more appropriate for encapsulated Centaurs, including the Titan ones. Expand I was talking about: Where: A: a decoupling node inside the fairing, a single part, CIA+Boattail B: node on Centaur's engine mount That way, without an extra part, you can decouple the centaur from the fairing base after staging the fairing halves, that will work for PF, I guess it won't for stock ones (because the PF part is stageable already) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 3:50 PM, Drakenex said: I was talking about: Where: A: a decoupling node inside the fairing, a single part, CIA+Boattail B: node on Centaur's engine mount That way, without an extra part, you can decouple the centaur from the fairing base after staging the fairing halves, that will work for PF, I guess it won't for stock ones (because the PF part is stageable already) Expand Yeah, I had them represented as the CIA+Boattail as one part, and then a multi-use truss-type 1.875m straight interstage would go inside it to attach the Centaur. My big fear was that people wouldn't want to stage the fairing and stage the decoupler at the same time. Is that not the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaverickSawyer Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 5:08 PM, CobaltWolf said: Yeah, I had them represented as the CIA+Boattail as one part, and then a multi-use truss-type 1.875m straight interstage would go inside it to attach the Centaur. My big fear was that people wouldn't want to stage the fairing and stage the decoupler at the same time. Is that not the case? Expand I like having the flexibility to stage the fairing and the decoupler separately. There are some edge cases where it's a useful ability, but they're kinda rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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