MrChumley Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, DuoDex said: I'll be quite glad to see KS go if it means more mods get hosted on my preferred sites 1 minute ago, Red Iron Crown said: we'll have the same after if that happens Way to support the collapse of our community guys... (COUGH COUGH GREEN TXT MODS) pump and dump... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoDex Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, MrChumley said: Way to support the collapse of our community guys... (COUGH COUGH GREEN TXT MODS) pump and dump... I certainly don't equate a modding site that's entire point was to be a poke in the eye at Curse going down to be the complete and utter destruction of the KSP community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrChumley Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 1 minute ago, DuoDex said: entire point was to be a poke in the eye at Curse do you really mean that? Look. this whole thing has gotten out of hand from my point of view. From my point of view it was a community driven awesomeness that supported other community driven awesomeness... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yemo Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 11 minutes ago, DuoDex said: Just my two cents. Sites reliably up with good download speeds: Curse, Github, Dropbox (Google Drive, Mega.co.nz, etc). Sites with patchy uptime and poor performance when downloading: Kerbalstuff. Since those are the two most important issues to me, I'll be quite glad to see KS go if it means more mods get hosted on my preferred sites 7 minutes ago, Red Iron Crown said: We had a vibrant and active modding community before Kerbalstuff, we'll have the same after if that happens (not that I hope that is how it plays out). Very few people choose to mod or not mod based on what the official hosting is like, and even if they did Curse or any of the other many alternatives are still good enough. Wow... Well, then I guess leaning back and watching it unfold is the only thing left to do regarding this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankman101 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 22 minutes ago, DuoDex said: Just my two cents. Sites reliably up with good download speeds: Curse, Github, Dropbox (Google Drive, Mega.co.nz, etc). Sites with patchy uptime and poor performance when downloading: Kerbalstuff. Since those are the two most important issues to me, I'll be quite glad to see KS go if it means more mods get hosted on my preferred sites Exiting lurk-mode to pretty much say this. Kerbalstuf download rates were absolutely atrocious (Around 50KB/s) compared to everything else (1MB/s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanamonde Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 KerbalStuff is down, and no one here knows know why. Pretty much everything else in this thread is off-topic. Kerbalstuff is not affiliated with Squad, and is provided voluntarily by someone to whom Squad owes no obligation. The whole thing has nothing to do with Curse one way or the other. Please get back to expressing curiosity, well-wishes, or what have you about KerbalStuff itself, and layoff attacking and insulting each other, Curse, and Squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randazzo Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) This thread is terribly disappointing and disheartening. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. It's easy to complain about something we feel entitled to, even if we aren't particularly deserving of it. Perhaps before starting to trash the already thankless work of another, one should pose the question to themselves; "What have I done to improve this game for others?" Edited February 15, 2016 by Randazzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesL86 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, Randazzo said: This thread is terribly disappointing and disheartening. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. It's easy to complain about something we feel entitled to, even if we aren't particularly deserving of it. Perhaps before starting to trash the already thankless work of another, one should pose the question to themselves; "What have I done to improve this game for others?" I could not have said it better. I personally don't really have a horse in this race really. I use CKAN but I only use like three or less mods. Here is the bottom line ladies and gentlemen. Have you spent time making it? No? Have you spent money on it? No? Have you contributed to it programming since its an open-source project? No? Well then quit belly-aching. Its being provided by one of your own. Its not corporate and its certainly not shoving bad net-mojo down your throats either. Can it be slow and unreliable at times? Absolutely. I doubt the fella making it has the time or money to invest in third-party 24/7 server administration or redundant infrastructure like the big boys do. Need I remind you folks about the childhood story of the mouse and the cookie? Now... If you can find a way to help out this fella running KerbalStuff then that is where you need to be focused on and quit biting the hand that feeds you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDJ Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 10 minutes ago, JamesL86 said: If you can find a way to help out this fella running KerbalStuff then that is where you need to be focused on and quit biting the hand that feeds you. Sounds good to me. Who's in for donating $2? I certainly can. Heck, if everybody that posted here, including me, chipped in $2 he could have a free month of web hosting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotengineer Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 I've never had any issues with KerbalStuff till now. I use it and want others to use it because it is a good alternative to Curse. 39 minutes ago, DuoDex said: I certainly don't equate a modding site that's entire point was to be a poke in the eye at Curse going down to be the complete and utter destruction of the KSP community. Of course it was created to just be a poke in the eye at Curse! Why, Curse never had any problems, like slow mod approval, stupid ads, and download timers, it was just perfect! If you look around at the majority of mods in the modding sub-forum, they are typically hosted on KerbalStuff, GitHub or a dropbox site, and if they even have a Curse link, it is typically secondary or has another link. KerbalStuff was intended to be an open, easy to use, non-corporate alternative to Curse. It achieved that goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedensuscg Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 4 hours ago, Snark said: Well, the easy way for it to get supported would be for SirCmpwn to put a "pay me" link on the site, and then the whole community that's been freeloading off him all this time rushes to throw cash at him on an ongoing basis. ...which would only work if the people using KerbalStuff actually started throwing money at it. No idea whether that would happen enough to make a difference. Could he even do this? Would this be considered by Squad as profiting off their game even if it's donations only. It's kind of a gray area sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temeter Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 You can ask them for a refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severedsolo Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 22 minutes ago, jedensuscg said: Could he even do this? Would this be considered by Squad as profiting off their game even if it's donations only. It's kind of a gray area sometimes. Even if Squad were to go down this route, they would have to prove that KS is actually making a profit. Unlikely I think. I suspect it would cost them more to fight it than they would ever make, and it would hurt them in other ways. Besides, why would Squad do this? The games main selling point is how moddable it is. Taking away 70% of the mods (according to figs posted earlier in this thread) would only hurt them. Bottom Line: it aint gonna happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temeter Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Legal or not, I'd assume Squads word would have enough weight in the community to stop monetization. That said, I wouldn't mind a donation link for the site. It's working really well and I imagine such a service does cost quite a bit of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal_vager Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Moved to the Lounge as KerbalStuff is a 3rd party site unaffiliated with Squad. If you want answers as to why KerbalStuff is currently providing intermittent service you could contact the site administrator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK3424 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Don't blame the people for the fact that kerbalstuff is down... I'm amazed that it didn't went down earlier because it's hosted voluntary by modders themselves. I know that they will get it fixed because they are mod enthousiasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 11 hours ago, Clockwork13 said: I'm trying to download some mods, but nearly 2/3 of them can only be downloaded from KerbalStuff, which has been down for over a day, and there's no other place to get the mods I'm looking for. This.... Is.... So.... Frustrating..... I don't see how this is KerbalStuff's problem at all. It seems to me that the complaint should be directed toward the particular mod maker that chose to make his/her mod available only through unsupported channels. And even then, it probably shouldn't be worded so much as a complaint, but rather a request. Like, "could you please make such and such mod available elsewhere until KerbalStuff's reliability issues are fixed?" Keep in mind that both KerbalStuff and the mod's are volunteer efforts. Neither are paid to respond to negativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtualgenius Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 SirCmpwn has done an outstanding job of getting this going and maintaining it, if Squad hadnt back doored the community on Spaceport and dumped us with Curse, Kerbalstuff would still be an idea but its a reality and a really good site perhaps we should thank Squad for hosing us over. Kerbalstuff is brilliant far better than whats on offer by its competitor easy to use and caters for all users Ckan and the guys happy to do it manually. I think Squad should man up and admit Curse was an error in judgement help out with some funding or find some space on a server to host it, this would go a long way in repairing some of the issues the community has had with the lack of communication when they randomly make major changes and upset everyone. I will probably cop a warning for my comments and this post will disappear as I will have probably incited you all to violence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 8 minutes ago, Virtualgenius said: SirCmpwn has done an outstanding job of getting this going and maintaining it, if Squad hadnt back doored the community on Spaceport and dumped us with Curse, Kerbalstuff would still be an idea but its a reality and a really good site perhaps we should thank Squad for hosing us over. Kerbalstuff is brilliant far better than whats on offer by its competitor easy to use and caters for all users Ckan and the guys happy to do it manually. I think Squad should man up and admit Curse was an error in judgement help out with some funding or find some space on a server to host it, this would go a long way in repairing some of the issues the community has had with the lack of communication when they randomly make major changes and upset everyone. I will probably cop a warning for my comments and this post will disappear as I will have probably incited you all to violence Curse and Curseforge(the actual Squad supported site) aren't the same thing. "you all" is a general term that means little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtualgenius Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Are you sure about that http://www.curse.com/ksp-mods/kerbal http://kerbal.curseforge.com/ Looks like the same content to me hosted by the same provider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technicalfool Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 3 hours ago, severedsolo said: Taking away 70% of the mods (according to figs posted earlier in this thread) would only hurt them. 71% of the mods that are available through CKAN which, despite what some people say, is still nowhere near all mods. CKAN literally cannot be told to download from Curse, because Curse does not have a direct download location to point at. Same as a lot of other download sites, really. 6 hours ago, Robotengineer said: Of course it was created to just be a poke in the eye at Curse! Why, Curse never had any problems, like slow mod approval, stupid ads, and download timers, it was just perfect! Never had a mod of mine take more than a couple of hours to approve. Very few people complain about Apple curating their app store and taking ages about it. In fact, you will frequently see praise for this approach. Adverts are inevitable on any commercial site. It's either that, begging donation banners, premium subscriptions, or substandard hosting unless the person doing the hosting wants to spend most of their income just on a suitable host. Servers are not free. Full CDNs, which to be honest is what any busy mod-hosting site needs, can get very very pricey depending on traffic. As for download timers, is three seconds really that long a wait? Of course, this would all be moot if people were to host mods in more than one place. Putting your stuff exclusively on Kerbalstuff is basically asking for trouble, and you'll get exactly what you ask for. It'd also help if CKAN was smart enough to have more than one download mirror available. Guess what: It isn't. The really pitiful thing I see here is people blaming Squad because Kerbalstuff went down. Squad have zero obligation to KS, nor responsibility for it. It's about as pointless as complaining to Squad because someone's DMP servers have gone down. Or because FAR broke your latest aeroplane. You want to poke someone about KerbalStuff, poke the guy who makes and maintains it. Politely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technicalfool Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 6 minutes ago, Virtualgenius said: Are you sure about that http://www.curse.com/ksp-mods/kerbal http://kerbal.curseforge.com/ Looks like the same content to me hosted by the same provider Same provider, but less adverts on Curseforge. Curseforge is supposed to be the "developer" site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severedsolo Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Well, there we go. The answer is now on https://kerbalstuff.com They are shutting down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyKaptn Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodDusk Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 7 hours ago, Vanamonde said: KerbalStuff is down, and no one here knows know why. Pretty much everything else in this thread is off-topic. Kerbalstuff is not affiliated with Squad, and is provided voluntarily by someone to whom Squad owes no obligation. The whole thing has nothing to do with Curse one way or the other. Please get back to expressing curiosity, well-wishes, or what have you about KerbalStuff itself, and layoff attacking and insulting each other, Curse, and Squad. Well, SQUAD deserves at least 20 more posts of Curse disliking not because of Curse itself, but because they tried to pursue legal action against the owner of KerbalStuff for using the word 'Kerbal'. Wouldn't expect a company do go this low in terms of IP that doesn't need any form of protection. This is the kind of stupid stuff that you see Zenimax Media (which Bethesda is subsidiary of) doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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