Chinese Space Program (CNSA) & Ch. commercial launch and discussion

[steve9728]

1 hour ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

Isn't white a funereal color in China?  I'd think it (and others) would be painted something festive 

Don't forget that, at least at the level of the Chinese government, they are committed "materialists"

Yes white is often used on a traditional Chinese level for funeral occasions and red for festive occasions. But regardless of the heat dissipation of white, it is too weird to paint a rocket red isn’t it?

I still remember what happened when I ask my English teacher from Texas “what is red rocket meaning?”, and I was just a poor kid in primary school.

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

Very nicely played, sir.

[steve9728]

Shiyan(实验, experiment)-12 01&02 satellite successfully sended into  geosynchronous transfer orbit by CZ-7A rocket.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/20211223/656371f520924c9592f95cd077588a28/c.html

https://spacenews.com/long-march-7a-launches-classified-shiyan-12-satellites/

Edited December 23, 2021 by steve9728

[DDE]

18 hours ago, steve9728 said:

But regardless of the heat dissipation of white, it is too weird to paint a rocket red isn’t it?

Something something, red ones go faster

[kerbiloid]

58 minutes ago, DDE said:

Something something, red ones go faster

R-16, please, log in.

[steve9728]

2 hours ago, DDE said:

Something something, red ones go faster

...and can define more "truths"

[steve9728]

The chief designer Jiayang of the Zhurong Mars rover: Only when Mount Everest can open ticket booths and grocery stores will be possible to talk about immigration to Mars. https://www.zhihu.com/question/508129889

My idea is probably more extreme: Only when human can transform the Sahara desert will be possible to talk about immigration to Mars

His exact words from the show translate:

That is, if we are now a major spacefairing nation and we complete a few days trip to Mars with three or six astronauts, at most... 30 days? I think it's a technical challenge, but it's not unachievable. I think one of the corresponding resources, something like oxygen, how would it be produced on Mars? And then the water (how to produce it)? And then how do we build a castle where it's safe for people to live in? The atmosphere on the surface of Mars is now 0.01 atm, so it's definitely not safe, is it? And electricity, food, clothing, shelter (of how to get and produce resouces) are pretty much the same (all have similar problems).

I've said myself, and I may fell on the conservative side, that it's a single ticket to Mars when: (If) a ticket office could be built on the summit of Mount Everest, I'd believe it. Humans have been climbing Mount Everest for many years now, but there isn't even a grocery shop on top of Everest now. That place is good enough for humans: there's untold amounts of water and ice, isn't there? And oxygen, although the air pressure is so low. But none of this is available on Mars

Edited December 25, 2021 by steve9728

[DDE]

6 hours ago, steve9728 said:

My idea is probably more extreme: Only when human can transform the Sahara desert will be possible to talk about immigration to Mars

Ah, a terraforming proponent.

[kerbiloid]

The colonisation of Mars will begin once the militarization of the Moon gets finished.

Cuz must move on.

[steve9728]

1 hour ago, kerbiloid said:

The colonisation of Mars will begin once the militarization of the Moon gets finished.

Cuz must move on.

*When NASA gets the same amount of funding as the US military*

1 hour ago, DDE said:

Ah, a terraforming proponent.

Once I wasn't, until I was caught in a sandstorm in the northern provinces of China

[steve9728]

News: Shenzhou 13 crew carrying out the second EVA mission. This mission was carried out by Ye Guangfu and Zhai Zhigang. And it is also the first EVA mission for Ye Guangfu, the third mission for Zhai Zhigang.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-OsfNdeAxM

[steve9728]

I thought the CNSA's launch should be just about done for this year but...

11:11 (UTC/GMT+08:00) 26th Dec, the CZ-4 C rocket take two satellite: Guangxue (Optical, 光学) 02E (aka Ziyuan (Resouce,资源) 02E) satellite and Beijing 101 High School's small science satellite successfully put them into orbit.

https://weibo.com/5386897742/L7OMRytZq

 

The mission badge looks really good to me this time

My two wishes for 2021: everything goes well with the Chinese space station and the successful launch of the James Webb telescope. As for my two wishes for next year, they are that the two modules of the Chinese space station goes well and the James Webb can adds something to the textbook ASAP

Edited December 26, 2021 by steve9728

[steve9728]

CNSA Deputy Director: The Chinese government has approved the fourth phase of the lunar exploration project. The fourth phase of the project includes Chang'e 6, 7 and 8. Amoung them, Chang'e 7 will be launched to the south pole of the Moon first, followed by the launch of Chang'e 6, the backup satellite of Chang'e 5, for the sample return from the south pole of Moon. Finally, Chang'e 8 will be launched to lay the foundation fora lunar research station.

http://www.stdaily.com/index/kejixinwen/2021-12/27/content_1242286.shtml

And yes, at lease 7 and 8 are in cooperation with Russian

[DDE]

Claims of having had to dodge Starlinks twice

https://www.unoosa.org/res/oosadoc/data/documents/2021/aac_105/aac_1051262_0_html/AAC105_1262E.pdf

[steve9728]

2 hours ago, DDE said:

Claims of having had to dodge Starlinks twice

https://www.unoosa.org/res/oosadoc/data/documents/2021/aac_105/aac_1051262_0_html/AAC105_1262E.pdf

Yep, I notice that. It has already been reported (or hyped) for 2-3 days by Chinese domesic no matter the offical or the non-governmental network media.  I just thought we had a space stallite interception experiment with the Fengyun satellite, which also caused a lot of trouble. So I didn't post it here.

Unless there have a something like "a large net", or a rapid-fire cannon mounted like the Almaz. Otherwise I think we'll just have to dodge when we encounter this.

(A bit curious how the Russian media reporting this though)

Edited December 28, 2021 by steve9728

[steve9728]

News: At 19:13 29th Dec. (UTC/GMT+08:00), CZ-2D rocket successfully launched Tianhui (Sky Drawing, 天绘)-4 satellite. The satellite is mainly used to carry out scientific experimental research, land resources census, geographic information mapping and other missions. 

https://weibo.com/5386897742/L8jLqeW8E

This should be the last rocket of the year... ish

[steve9728]

Alright,  I did underestimate CNSA... 

Five hours after the last launch, CZ-3B successfully launched Communication Technology Test Satellite IX (通信实验技术实验卫星九号). 

https://weibo.com/5386897742/L8mb5hoEg

https://weibo.com/5386897742/L8m8Ntm6M

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2021/12/china-tjsw-9/

Officially, they said the launch capped off a successful year for Chinese space launches in 2021. And, of course, it really did: all 48 of CNSA's launches this year were successful, while the seven launches by private spaceflight failed three times.

Edited December 30, 2021 by steve9728

[steve9728]

CNSA has released several images sent back by Tianwen-1. So far Tianwen-1 and the Zhurong Mars rover have returned 560GB of raw science data. http://www.cnsa.gov.cn/n6759533/c6813038/content.html

As to how the first picture was taken, CNSA's answer on Zhihu is: "It's easy, just throw a camera out to take a picture and send it back via WiFi"https://www.zhihu.com/question/509392150/answer/2293890346

"So how many cameras do you have left now?"

Edited January 1, 2022 by steve9728

[SunlitZelkova]

Nice! A view from Mars orbit is something I have always wanted to see, and other country's probes appeared to not be capable of providing such images.

The spacecraft selfie thing is also quite innovative. Here's hoping that China's Jupiter probes can take pictures of themselves in orbit 

[steve9728]

13 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

Nice! A view from Mars orbit is something I have always wanted to see, and other country's probes appeared to not be capable of providing such images.

The spacecraft selfie thing is also quite innovative. Here's hoping that China's Jupiter probes can take pictures of themselves in orbit 

Same. And also I'm really looking forward we can launch something like the "Cupola" in ISS to our space station. The good news is, CNSA was already negotiated with the Italians and release the news that "we'll launch something made in Italy". So just wait for it

Edited January 2, 2022 by steve9728

[DDE]

https://thespacereview.com/article/4306/1

Some interesting observations on the UN note. It seems China is operating on the assumption that crewed spacecraft have the right of way.

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

5 hours ago, DDE said:

crewed spacecraft have the right of way

LOL. 

... 

Wait - they are not taking it so far as to suggest that they can chuck a manned flight into any orbit they want and all others must then yield? 

[DDE]

33 minutes ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

LOL. 

... 

Wait - they are not taking it so far as to suggest that they can chuck a manned flight into any orbit they want and all others must then yield? 

I mean, the Starlinks were launched before the station, yet they it's they that still get decried as "dangerous phenomena", so, while an uncharitable reading...

[kerbiloid]

What's the Chinese codename for NR-23?

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

20 minutes ago, DDE said:

I mean, the Starlinks were launched before the station, yet they it's they that still get decried as "dangerous phenomena", so, while an uncharitable reading...

Well when you control the narrative for a significant part of the population and demand enthusiastic support of that narrative - what's the old adage about the 'illusion of truth'?