Air Superiority Fighter Competition Continued

[l0kki]

1 hour ago, exbyde said:

Link is bad.

 

https://kerbalx.com/l0kki/WunderWaffle-IV-AusfB

[Piatzin]

10 hours ago, l0kki said:

https://kerbalx.com/l0kki/WunderWaffle-IV-AusfB

If you want, you can give me the best WunderWaffle you have (based on looks, low part count, and no mods other than bd) and I'll try to look it over. I can change some stuff around and give you the craft file back with an overview of the edits I made (I'll try to conserve the original form as much as possible). Then you can recreate the results on a new plane.

Edited January 16, 2018 by Earthlinger

[DiscoveryPlanet]

@exbyde so is there any solution? Or maybe there is somekind of configiration that has to be change? Like you have to set drop time above 5second or anything else?

[Abraxis]

40 minutes ago, Earthlinger said:

Abraxis said I should end my posts with /s since a lot of them are sarcastic. So I did that

Lol no I was talking about myself 

Edited January 15, 2018 by Abraxis

[Piatzin]

3 minutes ago, Abraxis said:

Lol no I was talking about myself

Oh

Heh

I should probably get one too lol since I actually am quite sarcastic

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, DiscoveryPlanet said:

@exbyde so is there any solution? Or maybe there is somekind of configiration that has to be change? Like you have to set drop time above 5second or anything else?

Are the AIM-9's in weapons bays?

[DiscoveryPlanet]

2 hours ago, dundun92 said:

Are the AIM-9's in weapons bays?

In weapon bays or not, it is same, sometimes it blows up near the plane after launch (even after i set up the drop time 1second)

[exbyde]

Alrighty folks, just to make sure you don't think i've forgotten about you, i have six videos of three fights uploading. Once those get done uploading, i'm re-doing my KSP so i don't have so many mods and crap floating around. @Eidahlil this is not an invitation to create a craft using ALL the mods XD. Will be doing more fights after, but @Earthlinger you were correct about your ECM changes helping survivability..

Edited January 16, 2018 by exbyde

[exbyde]

Alright, so about those dogfights:

REMATCH: @Earthlingers Berzerker 2.0 vs @goduranusFlying Squirrels

Vs @Abraxis DN-65c

Vs. @Eidahlil's Pike

 

In the end, the Berzerker 2.0 takes advantage of stealth and default AIM-120 minimum fire settings to catch all its enemies in a stream of gunfire. Having great maneuverability helps. What doesn't help is the Pike, which uses its single AIM-9, immune to ECM, to rout the Berzerker, and its superior maneuverability to get guns on. Congrats on the #2 spot Earthlinger

Edited January 16, 2018 by exbyde

[goduranus]

7 hours ago, DiscoveryPlanet said:

In weapon bays or not, it is same, sometimes it blows up near the plane after launch (even after i set up the drop time 1second)

It is a result of the missiles self detonating when it loses the lock right after launch, because the target's heat signature suddenly decreased(for instance, turned off afterburners), the only real solution is to set missile max range shorter so that the missile has IR lock even at the low end of the target's heat signature.

Note that when launching at far ranges, the IR missile often locks and gets fired during a heat spike that only lasts a few moments, of it will often self detonate when the target's heat signature returns to normal.

Edited January 16, 2018 by goduranus

[Abraxis]

lmao

the 65 gave up on life and pitched up for some reason only to get rekt

[exbyde]

Alright, and now its time to test @goduranus' Rabbid Squirrel. Some very basic changes have been made, like cramming 2.5 times as much thrust into this critter , losing thrust vectoring, and adding an extra pair of wings. Also, cutting out the AIM-120 and an AIM-9, giving it a weapons loadout of 2 AIM-9s and some Vulcans. Lets see how it does against @kittenshark134's F-19d

6-1...respectable. This squirrel gnaws its way onto the leaderboard. Hope you grabbed some Rabies vaccine

[DiscoveryPlanet]

14 minutes ago, goduranus said:

It is a result of the missiles self detonating when it loses the lock right after launch, because the target's heat signature suddenly decreased(for instance, turned off afterburners), the only real solution is to set missile max range shorter so that the missile has IR lock even at the low end of the target's heat signature.

Note that when launching at far ranges, the IR missile often locks and gets fired during a heat spike that only lasts a few moments, of it will often self detonate when the target's heat signature returns to normal.

so AIM 9 just lock vessel when they use afterburn?

[Abraxis]

8 hours ago, DiscoveryPlanet said:

so AIM 9 just lock vessel when they use afterburn?

It certainly does play a factor in achieving lock on. After it has locked onto you, however, it will keep pursuing you, regardless of whether you turned it off to evade, making countermeasures a priority. It also helps to limit the amount of engines you have to no more than two, as I've found by going into BD's debug options, that each part plays a role in determining the total "heat output" of a craft.

[exbyde]

1 minute ago, DiscoveryPlanet said:

so AIM 9 just lock vessel when they use afterburn?

Aim 9s were developed in an analog age. They basically sense a source of heat and lock onto it. Doesnt care about friend or foe, and this is seen when the AIM-9 friendly fires on aircraft. It also safeties and self destructs if it loses lock. So if a craft was using afterburner at a long distance when the AIM-9 was fired, and the craft reduces its infrared signature by dropping afterburner, it loses lock and self-destructs. 

[goduranus]

I don't know how it exactly it works, but I suspect each craft has a thermal output, increased by devices it has running, particularly afterburners. This is matched by the sensitivity of IR missiles, which is decreased by distance. So the IR missile could get a lock even while the target is not using afterburners if it is really close.

Edited January 16, 2018 by goduranus

[exbyde]

And speaking of friendly fire, @goduranus has set up a squirrel fight for us, Rabid Squirrel against Flying Squirrel

In round 2, we see a friendly fire incident from the AIM-9 usage, but the Rabid Squirrel prevails. Because its replacing a roster aircraft, the Flying Squirrel is just eliminated, and the Rabid Squirrel will be taking its seat. It will continue to be tested and progress.

[DiscoveryPlanet]

@exbyde @Abraxis @goduranus So the conclusion of how to prevent AIM9 to self-destructs is reduce max missile range? but how about "detonation distance override" is this option has "role" about the problem of AIM9?

[Piatzin]

Oooh. #2, Okay...

Now my only worry is the rabies that are heading towards the Berzerkers....

[exbyde]

1 minute ago, DiscoveryPlanet said:

@exbyde @Abraxis @goduranus So the conclusion of how to prevent AIM9 to self-destructs is reduce max missile range? but how about "detonation distance override" is this option has "role" about the problem of AIM9?

this prevents the AIM-9 from colliding with stuff. Namely your own aircraft. Or safety detonating and destroying your aircraft.

[goduranus]

3 minutes ago, DiscoveryPlanet said:

@exbyde @Abraxis @goduranus So the conclusion of how to prevent AIM9 to self-destructs is reduce max missile range? but how about "detonation distance override" is this option has "role" about the problem of AIM9?

Nope that for when it is closing on a target.

Edited January 16, 2018 by goduranus

[Abraxis]

8 hours ago, DiscoveryPlanet said:

So the conclusion of how to prevent AIM9 to self-destructs is reduce max missile range? but how about "detonation distance override" is this option has "role" about the problem of AIM9?

Not really sure. I've definitely had the same problem as you once--AIM-9s randomly blowing up shortly after launching. Detonation distance override is a setting that tells the missile to blow up this many meters away from the target, meaning that if you set it at 10, upon coming to within 10 meters of its target, it will detonate, which in itself is a useful feature, since you can kill planes even if you miss the,m by a few feet, since the missile will auto detonate. What OS are you running KSP on?

Edited January 16, 2018 by Abraxis

[DiscoveryPlanet]

9 minutes ago, exbyde said:

we see a friendly fire incident from the AIM-9 usage

well-well another problem provided by AIM9

[exbyde]

Just now, Earthlinger said:

Oooh. #2, Okay...

Now my only worry is the rabies that are heading towards the Berzerkers....

Speaking of rabies, @goduranus Rabid Squirrel is about to take on the DN-65c

Man that rabies looks pretty terminal.

[DiscoveryPlanet]

Just now, Abraxis said:

Not really sure. I've definitely had the same problem as you once--AIM-9s randomly blowing up shortly after launching. Detonation distance override is a setting that tells the missile to blow up this many meters away from the target, meaning that if you set it at 10, upon coming to within 10 meters of its target, it will detonate. What OS are you running KSP on?

Windows 8.1