John FX Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 For myself I don`t really care where a mod is hosted, if I can load CKAN and just click the button and get the mod installed then that is as far as my care goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAL 9000 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I kinda feel like it looks like an exact copy of KerbalStuff (or what KerbalStuff was before it shut down). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerbart Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Could this be because it is an exact copy? The maker of KS handed over his code to the community who then set up SD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endersmens Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Yeah it's literally the exact same code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NecroBones Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 15 hours ago, sumghai said: While I can easily prove I've the original author of the mod, I'm using the CC BY-SA 4.0 licence, which to my understanding automatically allows redistribution of remixes, even those whose content and redistribution are against my wishes. Unfortunately, I'm unable to retroactively apply a more restrictive licence to my work either. It may not be possible to retroactively apply a license change to content already released, but you can always change the license for future versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John FX Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 On 20/02/2016 at 1:00 AM, katateochi said: Right! Imma shuttin' her down!! ........... .....I just couldn't do it. To be fair, I only just setup that patreon page and before that I'd been running a paypal donations thing and have had some very kind folk put in towards the costs. But paypal is well, ugly would be nice description, so I'm hoping patreon will be more accessible. Can`t believe I`m the first to stump up a dollar a month... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybutek Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I would like to just point out this which is on the SpaceDock website under "Terms of Use" Quote Terms of Use We can and will ban you from the site if you fail to follow these terms. We may also take legal action against more serious violations. The general idea is "be responsible". Follow these basic rules: Do not upload illegal content to the site Do not abuse or harrass other users Do not upload content you cannot grant licenses to Uploaders offer SpaceDock a royalty-free, worldwide license to distribute their mods upon uploading them We can remove any content whenever we feel like it for any reason at all, with or without notifying the content owner. Users of the site agree to monitor the site for changes, while the team makes a best-effort promise to notify about changes. That clearly sounds like a rule against third parties being able to upload work that they are not the author of. It also sounds like no-one has actually read these terms. Or more seriously, this rule is just not going to be actively enforced. Be it because of the extra workload it may involve or any other reasons. If a terms of use document is not going to be actively read and followed, then what's the point in even having one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DStaal Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 But with most open-source licenses - like the ones we're discussing - anyone can grant licenses to use or modify the code. (They just can't grant changed licenses.) So that doesn't solve the issue being discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneck Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) 33 minutes ago, cybutek said: I would like to just point out this which is on the SpaceDock website under "Terms of Use" That clearly sounds like a rule against third parties being able to upload work that they are not the author of. It also sounds like no-one has actually read these terms. Or more seriously, this rule is just not going to be actively enforced. Be it because of the extra workload it may involve or any other reasons. If a terms of use document is not going to be actively read and followed, then what's the point in even having one? i got a question..why even any legal disclaimer? Squad dont want to be involved. Its not their server. Why even have a terms of use? why even have to include a license with the mod at all (unless the creator chooses to) those are squad rules for THEIR sites. If squad dont want to support you guys i wouldnt worry about it. Just put a "Report mod" button on the page and users can report junk/spam/misleading mods and of course the usual moderation. I would even go as far as making your own spacedock forums if it were me. Just a thought. The only disclaimer really needed IMO is for donations Edited February 22, 2016 by Redneck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DStaal Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Because the SpaceDock people want others to play nice as well? And that it's a good idea to spell out what terms any service is used under? Basically, it's good practice. The terms don't have to match Squad's, but those are basic enough rules that just about everyone agrees they are worth asking people to follow. Besides those four rules boil down to 'Don't be a dick, or we'll kick you off. Don't steal from others. Don't come crying to us when people use this site to download your mod.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneck Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 1 minute ago, DStaal said: Because the SpaceDock people want others to play nice as well? And that it's a good idea to spell out what terms any service is used under? Basically, it's good practice. The terms don't have to match Squad's, but those are basic enough rules that just about everyone agrees they are worth asking people to follow. Besides those four rules boil down to 'Don't be a dick, or we'll kick you off. Don't steal from others. Don't come crying to us when people use this site to download your mod.' yeah well that makes sense i get that but basically what im saying to the spacedock team is hey... squad dont want to officially support the site and want to distance themselves from the site? then hell give em what they ask for including Spacedock own Forums,rules,licensing,etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omelaw Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 9 minutes ago, Redneck said: yeah well that makes sense i get that but basically what im saying to the spacedock team is hey... squad dont want to officially support the site and want to distance themselves from the site? then hell give em what they ask for including Spacedock own Forums,rules,licensing,etc.... because bigger site cause bigger load? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DStaal Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 And that load is on more than just the server, it's on the people in the forms of time and money. (And forums cause a lot larger dent on time, as they require more active involvement.) This forum works - although I hate a couple of things about the software running it, the result is mostly usable and it's a good discussion site. Curse has some major usability problems in my opinion, so SpaceDock is a large improvement. Making a similar level of improvement with a forum would be hard. (Most of my issues with this forum have to do with how it tends to fall over on my mobile devices.) And, as far as I can tell, there really isn't high levels of antimony for Squad over distancing themselves from SpaceDock/KerbalStuff. The point isn't to distance themselves from Squad, it's to provide a good home for mods. Which they are doing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtualgenius Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 This forum software sucks and I hate it, but unfortunately its all we have, you wouldnt want to create a second one just for spacedock you wouldnt have the content the followers subscriptions your follow (well the new ones since the old where deleted) friends etc. KSP for me is all about the community and these forums provide that, ask for help you get it, create Spacedock its done, even though I get the feeling Squad doesnt listen or learn from past errors we as the community seem to rally and help each other, which is the one reason why its so popular and will continue to grow and as long as KS/Spacedock is around I will not have to visit curse to get my mods well done guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanamonde Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Overlapping threads have been merged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randazzo Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 5 hours ago, Virtualgenius said: even though I get the feeling Squad doesnt listen or learn from past errors Such as placing the official mod hosting service in the hands of a company unlikely to vanish overnight? I'm amazed at the amount of delusion floating around. What happened to Kerbalstuff would justify that decision, if anything. The only problem with that is that there never was a decision. Kerbalstuff came after curse, after the fact, after the deal was done, after the ship had sailed, et cetera, et cetera. Squad never decided to not support Kerbalstuff in favor of Curse. Now that's off my chest, I'll let this thread get back to it's apparent business of derailing this endeavor. Thanks for listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtualgenius Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 that doesn't warrant a comment seeing you joined in 2015 and probably have no idea of the turmoil it created Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Table Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 On 2/22/2016 at 6:21 PM, ouyin2000 said: You are entitled to your opinion; that doesn't mean curse is "horrible". Does this affect you? I don't think so. How about you shut up? And I can go on with my day alright? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legoclone09 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Please, stop derailing this thread. Nobody here wants it locked, and it would be bad for the site if it was. On-topic, when should the site's logo be changed? Maybe by Wednesday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inigma Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) Hey this is my thread first, SpaceDock second. I therefore have a say in what the thread should be about. So... let's keep it to discussion of SpaceDock development, status, bugs, features, and the occasional awesome mod. Thanks. Please open new threads to talk about other topics than this. (moderators please don't merge threads into this official SpaceDock Development thread without considering the above - if not, it can cause confusion, continuity, and derailment issues). Edited February 23, 2016 by inigma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenWolf Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Yeah, let's maybe not merge random discussion threads into a development thread. That seems like a really good way to make the development thread stop being a development thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpspoonful Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Annnyyywhooo, it seems my original account was merged with the existing site? Awesome, and I'm digging the speed at which everything loads. Well done dudes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VITAS Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 there wasnt any user data taken over from ks. but due to google and hotmail throwing away user mail without asking i took the liberty to unlock some accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelidoskoped Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 On 2/22/2016 at 7:07 PM, linuxgurugamer said: Then congratulations, and I'm sorry if it came over harshly, but your comment didn't say that you were paying, only that you would. And I'm not going to get into an OS flamewar. I use Windows 10, Linux (Fedora & CentOS), and OSX on a daily basis. All are good. Depends on what you are doing. I play KSP on Linux, regularly have 12 gig of memory in use (over 200 mods). No crashes. Windows 10 is so bad. Downgrade to 7 Pro, you won't be sorry. I use Crunchbang linux (one of the only true light OSes) or Windows 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linuxgurugamer Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Crunchbank isn't being developed anymore. And frankly, these days, a lightweight OS won't have the tools or support for what I do. I'm fairly happy with W10 Pro, it's been rock solid. I was running 7 Pro for many years (never touched 8), was happy with that as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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