[1.11.x] Snarkiverse v1.2: Rearrange the solar system for challenge & variety.

[The Minmus Derp]

I concur. @Puggonaut

[Ho Lam Kerman]

I think I remember this from somewhere...

I think it was some guy who landed a probe on Duna or something.

Did that guy use this mod? Or did you get your inspiration from that guy?

[Snark]

1 hour ago, Ho Lam Kerman said:

I think I remember this from somewhere...

I think it was some guy who landed a probe on Duna or something.

Did that guy use this mod? Or did you get your inspiration from that guy?

Yes, that guy used this mod.  I can say that with confidence, because that guy was me. 

(So I suppose one could say that, technically speaking, I did indeed get my inspiration from "that guy"...)

[Aria_of_skittles]

Would like some thoughts on a potential Kerbol Origins patch;

@Kopernicus:AFTER[KerbolOrigins] {
    @Body[Sarvin] { // Slightly farther out where Jool used to be.
	@Orbit
	{
	    @semiMajorAxis *= 0.6467
	}
    }
    @Body[Keelon] {
	@Orbit
	{
	    @semiMajorAxis *= 0.4467
	}
    }
// Very lazily borrows (read: steals) Plock's new orbit from OPM patch.
    @Body[Faz] {
	@Orbit
	{
            @referenceBody = Jool
            @semiMajorAxis = 1000000000
            @inclination = 173
            @eccentricity = 0.3
            @longitudeOfAscendingNode = 100
            @argumentOfPeriapsis = 130
            @meanAnomalyAtEpoch = 1.3
        }
        @Properties
        {
            @description = TBD
            @ScienceValues
            {
                @landedDataValue = 12
                @inSpaceLowDataValue = 9
                @inSpaceHighDataValue = 8
                @recoveryValue = 8
            }
        }
    }
// Thought it unlikely Dres could maintain such an orbit with Harvest tugging at it
// and so moved it to Kerbin's L5 point.

    @Body[Dres] {
	@Orbit
	{
	    @referenceBody = Sun
	    semiMajorAxis = 13599840256

	    inclination = 0
	    eccentricity = 0
	    longitudeOfAscendingNode = 60
	    argumentOfPeriapsis = 0
	    AnomolyAtEpoch = 3.14000010490417
	    epoch = 0
	    @color = 0.517,0.756,0.725,1.0

	}
    }
}

 

[The Minmus Derp]

Yes.

[kubi]

Thanks, this mod is great!

I love the solution of Dres.

[Superfluous J]

On 5/28/2018 at 9:57 AM, JAFO said:

I have this insane urge to attempt a Caveman Challenge in the Snarkiverse! 

I've completed this. Even recorded 3 10-minute episodes of my travails though they need voiceover so who knows when that'll happen.

I gotta say: It was great fun. Getting to Dres with an 18-ton ship without patched conics or comms was... interesting.

[The Minmus Derp]

I AM GOING TO DO THE KERBIN THREE WITH THIS!

[Alaygrounds]

On 5/21/2018 at 5:38 PM, The Minmus Derp said:

Noyce! Me want comp patches for Kerbol Origins by @amarius1 \/ see below \/

Harvest: nothing happens.

Rega: moved to be between Kerbin and Duna 

Sarvin: moved to sarnus’ L5 point

Daphy: nuffin.

Potatus: moved to a funky elliptical 50 degree inclination orbit

Fonso: moved to where Potatus was

Shayle: nuffin 

Keelon: moved to Urlum’s L5 point 

Manai: moved to where Moho was

Lok: moved to orbit Manai

Revus: nuffin

Corolet: moved to keelon orbit really close

Hold my father's whiskey as I can't drink such alcohols.

Hyperedit, (+some configs) TO THE RESCUE

[JAFO]

19 hours ago, 5thHorseman said:

I've completed this. Even recorded 3 10-minute episodes of my travails though they need voiceover so who knows when that'll happen.

I gotta say: It was great fun. Getting to Dres with an 18-ton ship without patched conics or comms was... interesting.

I'm really looking forward to seeing those! I haven't had time the last week to even fire KSP up, so thanks for providing some motivation!

[Snark]

On 6/1/2018 at 12:25 PM, Aria_of_skittles said:

Would like some thoughts on a potential Kerbol Origins patch;

Hm, interesting idea!

Have never played with Kerbol Origins myself, so tinkering with it to make it Snarkiverse-compatible isn't really on my radar right now.  For me to Add a Kerbol Origins compatibility patch, I'd want to try it out first and do at least a reasonable chunk of a career play-through with it, to get a feel for what it's like and see what sort of inspiration strikes me.    So, not something I'll be producing... for now.

However:

• I do like playing KSP with fresh stuff I haven't tried before, so doing a Kerbol Origins play-through sounds as though it could be fun.  So I'm fairly open to this idea.    Just... be aware that this would likely be a while before I might get around to this.  I'm fairly busy IRL and my KSP play time isn't infinite (much though I might wish otherwise).  Perhaps I'll do Kerbol Origins for my next career, then we'll see (no promises).
• If someone doesn't want to wait for that, there's nothing stopping anyone from publishing their own Snarkiverse / Kerbol Origins patch to do whatever they like.  Both mods have fairly wide-open licenses (MIT).  So if you've taken the trouble to make one already... perhaps publish it as your own mod! 

 

[Superfluous J]

Okay I decided to do an Imgur album (3 of them) instead of a video (3 of them) because Imgur's easier.

I posted the first of 3 parts here and the 2nd here and just now got the 3rd up.

Edited June 13, 2018 by 5thHorseman
Added part 3

[The Minmus Derp]

Cooleio.

[Barzon]

What is the ∆v for this?

[The Minmus Derp]

I dunno why but I wanna go to Dres.

[Snark]

2 hours ago, Barzon Kerman said:

What is the ∆v for this?

Have never bothered to calculate a dV map, since I never use them myself.  dV numbers will be higher going to Moho, but other than that will generally be lower than for the stock system, since this mod makes things smaller and closer together, in general.

Some discussion of dV for this mod here:

 

[Alaygrounds]

I did it! I made the Kerbol Origins compatibility. here below V--V
 

Spoiler

@Kopernicus:FOR[Snarkiverse]:NEEDS[KerbolOrigins]
{
    @Body[Rega]
    {
        @Orbit
        {
            @eccentricity = 0.10380347168
            @inclination = 0
            @semiMajorAxis = 17162997760
        }
    }
    @Body[Sarvin]
    {
        @Orbit
        {
            @semiMajorAxis = 72398522368
        }
    }
    @Body[Potatus]
    {
        @Orbit
        {
            @semiMajorAxis = 9000000
            @eccentricity = 0.3
            @inclination = -50
        }
    }
    @Body[Fonso]
    {
        @Orbit
        {
            @semiMajorAxis = 49774211.5220191
            @inclination = 336.880259513855
            @eccentricity = 0.34425508892282
        }
    }
    @Body[Keelon]
    {
        @Orbit
        {
            @semiMajorAxis = 123442569185.85
            @eccentricity = 0.0140720235114866
        }
    }
    @Body[Manai]
    {
        @Orbit
        {
            @semiMajorAxis = 5263138304
            @eccentricity = 0.2
            @inclination = 7
            @longitudeOfAscendingNode = 15
            @argumentOfPeriapsis = 70
            @meanAnomalyAtEpoch = 3.14
            @referenceBody = Sun
        }
    }
    @Body[Faz]
    {
        @Orbit
        {
            @semiMajorAxis = 3150000
            @referenceBody = Manai
        }
    }
    @Body[Corolet]
    {
        @Orbit
        {
            @semiMajorAxis = 3015000
            @eccentricity = 0.675
            @referenceBody = Keelon
        }
    }
}

 

[The Minmus Derp]

40 minutes ago, Alaygrounds said:

I did it! I made the Kerbol Origins compatibility. here below V--V
 

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@Kopernicus:FOR[Snarkiverse]:NEEDS[KerbolOrigins]
{
    @Body[Rega]
    {
        @Orbit
        {
            @eccentricity = 0.10380347168
            @inclination = 0
            @semiMajorAxis = 17162997760
        }
    }
    @Body[Sarvin]
    {
        @Orbit
        {
            @semiMajorAxis = 72398522368
        }
    }
    @Body[Potatus]
    {
        @Orbit
        {
            @semiMajorAxis = 9000000
            @eccentricity = 0.3
            @inclination = -50
        }
    }
    @Body[Fonso]
    {
        @Orbit
        {
            @semiMajorAxis = 49774211.5220191
            @inclination = 336.880259513855
            @eccentricity = 0.34425508892282
        }
    }
    @Body[Keelon]
    {
        @Orbit
        {
            @semiMajorAxis = 123442569185.85
            @eccentricity = 0.0140720235114866
        }
    }
    @Body[Manai]
    {
        @Orbit
        {
            @semiMajorAxis = 5263138304
            @eccentricity = 0.2
            @inclination = 7
            @longitudeOfAscendingNode = 15
            @argumentOfPeriapsis = 70
            @meanAnomalyAtEpoch = 3.14
            @referenceBody = Sun
        }
    }
    @Body[Faz]
    {
        @Orbit
        {
            @semiMajorAxis = 3150000
            @referenceBody = Manai
        }
    }
    @Body[Corolet]
    {
        @Orbit
        {
            @semiMajorAxis = 3015000
            @eccentricity = 0.675
            @referenceBody = Keelon
        }
    }
}

 

Hoorah! Yay!

[Alaygrounds]

just copy it in a config and you got it mate

(inside the Snarkiverse/Compatibility folder)

Edited June 14, 2018 by Alaygrounds

[kerbonara]

Thanks @Snark for this! I just started a new career and I am loving it.  Really adds a lot of replay value just using the stock planets. The new views from the Mun are simply incredible.

By the way, for those who may be interested, it works perfectly fine with 1.3.1 and is compatible with Strategia without any additional configuration.

[FleshJeb]

This looks very well-thought out and exciting.

I really want to see what I can do with Pol!

Do you happen to know which of these moons are tidally locked? It's one of those attributes that really brings out the whole "looming" thing for me.

[The Minmus Derp]

21 hours ago, FleshJeb said:

This looks very well-thought out and exciting.

I really want to see what I can do with Pol!

Do you happen to know which of these moons are tidally locked? It's one of those attributes that really brings out the whole "looming" thing for me.

Neither, because a planet/moon’s spin rate in KSP is always constant, so Duna would just wobble around in the sky.

[FleshJeb]

8 hours ago, The Minmus Derp said:

Neither, because a planet/moon’s spin rate in KSP is always constant, so Duna would just wobble around in the sky.

I dug into the config files:

Pol:

%tidallyLocked = true

Bop: 

%tidallyLocked = false
%rotationPeriod = 6420

Per the other configs, Minmus is tidally locked to Dres. They'll have a bit of libration due to the eccentricity and inclination.

Laythe and Tylo are unchanged, so they remain tidally locked.

[The Minmus Derp]

I see.

[Snark]

On 6/26/2018 at 11:53 PM, FleshJeb said:

They'll have a bit of libration due to the eccentricity and inclination.

^ Indeed. 

In fact, there's a lot of libration, much more than you'll see for any tidally-locked bodies in the stock system, due to the eccentricity of the orbits.  Pol, in particular, puts on quite a show:  if you land in the right place on Pol, Duna does a seriously funky dance over the course of each Dunatian day (i.e. over each Pol orbit).  I'm not gonna describe it here in detail, 'coz I don't want to spoil it for folks.  I remember the first time I experienced it, without knowing what to expect, it made quite an impression on me, and far be it from me to take that experience away from anyone.    Suffice to say that I think you'll find it's worth it.