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  1. The first thing I wondered was what it's using as its boundary condition when parsing. For example, is it counting incidence of "KSP" only as a term of its own, or is it counting any word in which the sequence "k, s, p" occurs? For example, Shakespeare's name has been spelled in various ways over the years. "Shakspere" is one example. Would that be counted here, or not? (I don't know anything about how Google Books Ngram is implemented.) That said, though, I just went and did a Google Books search for "KSP" and constrained it to 1700-1750. Turns out that it appears a fair number of times, referring to other things of course. https://www.google.com/search?q=KSP&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1700%2Ccd_max%3A1750&tbm=bks
  2. Moving to Add-on Discussions, since this is not a release thread. Also, @dstymindz71, welcome to the forum!
  3. So, everything is a tradeoff, and nothing is unalloyed good. The tricky part comes in balancing the tradeoffs. It may be instructive to review the history of open-versus-closed betas with KSP 1. Once upon a time, when KSP had a major release coming out, there used to be a thing called "Experimentals" where basically anyone who wanted to could sign up for it to get an advance peek at the upcoming release, with the opportunity to submit bugs, feedback, etc. An open beta, basically. It was that way for a while, and then eventually they shifted to doing a closed beta. Instead of having it open to the general public, they limited it to a relatively small number of people (regular players doing it as volunteers, not paid staff). Once they shifted to that pattern, they stayed that way for the remainder of KSP's lifecycle. The small, closed beta was entirely private, with members not allowed to share what they saw with the public. So, it's worth asking the question: why would the company do something like that? Obviously, they thought it would be "better" for some reason, but why might that be? (Especially why would they think that's better when they already had the experience of large open betas?) After all, with the open beta, they'd get far more users providing feedback and trying all sorts of things and finding bugs and so forth, so that must be better, right? Why would they prefer something much smaller? Well... it turns out that "more" does not necessarily equal "better". Here are a few of the benefits you can get with a closed beta rather than an open one: Much more actionable feedback: Pretty much every avid KSP player knows what they like and is ready to share opinions. Lots of them would be happy to report bugs, too. However... reporting in a way that is useful to the developers is a specialized skill, and lots of people don't have that. The only good way to report actionable feedback (either a bug report, or a suggestion) is to file a bug in a bug database. And the bug has to be couched in terms that are actually useful to the devs-- for example, if there's a bug in the program, then the report needs to state a clear and succinct repro case for how to reproduce the bug. Most people don't know how to do this. If you have a closed beta, you can pick and choose whom to let in, and so you have a population of reasonably-trained people giving you feedback, who can be counted on to be diligent about checking for duplicates before filing, and whose goodwill is assured. As a developer, it's much more useful to have 200 good, actionable bugs than to have 10,000 bug reports & miscellaneous feedback, of which 90%+ are either unactionable or duplicates of each other. Having the huge numbers of bugs not only doesn't help, it actually hurts because now you have to spend your time hunting for the needle in a haystack and triaging endless cruft rather than spending time actually, y'know, developing and fixing bugs. There are other considerations below, but I think this one's the biggie. Participants with the right motivation: What the devs need, from a beta participant, is someone who is motivated to do whatever is necessary to make the game better (even if it's un-fun and boring). What they do not need is someone whose primary motivation is just to have fun, and who wants to get their hands on it earlier rather than later. Really good beta work is a form of drudgery. "Game tester" may sound like an awesome job title ("Oh man! You mean I get to play games all day and get paid for it? Sign me up!"), but it's actually a lot less fun than it sounds like, even if you're getting paid, which beta participants aren't. Someone who makes a good beta tester needs to be patient and have a high tolerance for repetition and attention to niggling little details. This does not describe most people, and it does not describe the primary motivation of most people who sign up for an open beta. The devs need people who will do the drudgery, not play the play. Better engagement: If you only have a reasonably manageable number of people in your beta, and they're all people who have been vetted and approved, then you can have a group chat channel where people can talk back and forth, bounce ideas off each other, exchange thoughts with the devs, etc. This sort of engagement is invaluable. And you can't do that if you've got several thousand random members of the public in your beta. There would be just too many of them, it's not possible to have a coherent chat if there are thousands of people in the channel; plus not all of them would be of good will and on good behavior, so then you'd have to waste more time and resources moderating and so forth. It would be impractical-- the upshot is that with the open beta, it simply wouldn't be practical to have that sort of engagement. Confidentiality: With a closed beta, you can have all the participants sign NDAs so that they can't talk about it with anyone outside the beta. Knowing that they have confidentiality means that the devs can be much more open in talking about what's going on, what their problems are, their concerns about various matters, etc. They can be more free to experiment with ideas that might not pan out and end up needing to be axed or substantially modified. Whereas if it were all out in the open, this is just all sorts of PR disaster just waiting to happen, even if the devs do nothing "wrong". People are funny creatures-- if you show them something they tend to think "yes! that's mine! I'm gonna have that!" and if you then decide not to do it after all, they view this as if you "took it away from them" and can be vocally angry about it in ways that are unhelpful. With a closed beta, it's easier to manage the message, and the general public doesn't get their hands on it until it's relatively polished. It's also the case that with confidentiality, this gives the company various PR options, for example they can choose to do a big "ta dah!" unveiling when they actually release. Sometimes that can have value, and it's nice for the company to have the option. Flexibility & practicality: With a closed beta, the devs can set things up however is convenient for them (which is what they need), without needing to worry too much about "would this arrangement leave anybody out"-- because they can pick and choose who's in the beta. That can greatly simplify things. For example, back when KSP was still doing Experimentals (open beta), there was one release where they announced that they were going to have this open beta, but only people who had KSP via Steam would be able to participate. There were perfectly good, simple, technical reasons for this: at the time, Steam had good support to meet their technical needs (in terms of releasing builds, having the necessary infrastructure for distribution, etc.) The problem is... the general public viewed this as vile discrimination. Lots of people were super eager to get their hands on the early version... and then became absolutely enraged when they were told that they couldn't. (Especially people who bought the game through the KSP store, because they felt they were being "more loyal and helpful" by doing so.) Holy mackerel, the KSP forums were a firestorm for a while. It was pretty much a PR nightmare. There was basically no way to tell people "you haven't lost anything and this isn't personal". Point is: if you have something open to everyone, then the collective community is going to decide that you have to support and allow everyone to do everything, which isn't necessarily what the devs need or want to support when they're busy working their way through the development process. With a closed beta, the devs can simply do whatever is technically easiest and most efficient, and not have to worry about managing the social dynamics of it. ...Anyway. Those are a few of the reasons why a company might choose, for example, a closed beta over an open one. It's worth noting that the folks who made KSP actually tried the open beta for several releases, so they had a pretty good chance to see the advantages and disadvantages of it-- and then, they switched to closed beta and never switched back. I'm not a Squad employee and am therefore not privy to their internal deliberations, but I think those observable facts right there make a pretty strong case that having experienced both options in detail, they decided that on the whole, the closed beta worked better for them than the open one did. That's all ancient history at this point, of course. You weren't asking about original KSP; you were asking about KSP 2. Well... again, I have no idea what their plans are for KSP 2-- I don't know any more about it than you do. And of course, not every company (or even every game from the same company) is always going to do things the same way all the time; KSP 2 has a somewhat different context than KSP did, so the same factors wouldn't necessarily apply. But, that said: it totally makes sense to me that they wouldn't do an open beta. They tried an open beta with original KSP for several releases, and eventually gave up on it and never looked back. So, if it worked for KSP, it's at least plausible that it would work for KSP 2 as well.
  4. I guess, technically, if one wanted to refer to the "dark" side of the moon, it would be the near side, since it has the lunar maria, which appear darker than the rest of the surface. (I mean, it's all fairly dark rock, but the maria appear somewhat darker from a distance.)
  5. Snark


    Hello, and welcome to the forums! I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you're saying "Hi, how are you doing?" in Finnish. FYI, the main part of the forums (such as here) is English-only. However, if you'd like to chat in another language, please see the International subforum. Perhaps you might enjoy this thread?
  6. As @Gargamel explains above, you can report your post with the request to remove. (The reason we don't let people just delete posts themselves is because of the potential for abuse, e.g. from trolls and such.) We're happy to remove a user's post when they request it... on one condition: only if nobody has quoted it or responded to it. Because if someone has responded, then deleting the original would leave the responder looking like they're responding-to-nothing, which would be weird. So, for example, suppose you wanted to remove your post that I've just quoted above. Since people have already responded to it (for example, Gargamel's initial response), that means that that particular post of yours would not be subject to removal, even upon request.
  7. Folks, nothing wrong with trying to work out how to use forum features, such as "how do I see signatures?", but this thread is not the place for it. Feel free to ask questions about the forum software over in the Kerbal Network subforum, if you like. Just a gentle nudge to stay on topic, please.
  8. The icing on the cake is the bit where, right after he asserts that "one side of the moon-- the 'dark side'-- never gets struck by sunlight", he actually provides a phys.org link as a citation... and if you go look at that article, of course it says no such thing. So not only did he get the science hopelessly wrong, he's clearly not even reading his own citations. If the blithering ineptitude of this article causes you actual physical pain, as it did me, then I suggest you take a look at the comments on it. You won't be disappointed. (My personal favorite comment is "Who is Richard's editor, Pink Floyd?")
  9. The short answer is: wait until you are at your closest approach to the Mun (where the "Pe" marker is) point your ship so that is centered on the navball crosshairs thrust until you're captured to orbit. That glosses over a lot of useful details, for which I'd suggest reading @Zhetaan's excellent, detailed post just above. But the simple version boils down to this.
  10. (And not even on the desktop version, if the user has picked the option not to display them-- which a fair number of folks do, in order to conserve screen real estate.)
  11. I'd be curious how they'll handle the gameplay aspect, in terms of player patience. Angular moment of inertia goes up with the square of the linear dimensions; rotating a megaship is going to be sloooooow. (This would apply to all maneuvering, not just docking.) This feels like it has the potential to tax the player's patience somewhat. About the only way I could see to mitigate this (other than just telling the player "well, be patient, then") would be to substantially increase the maximum allowed physics warp. Which, in turn, would require careful programming. KSP1 tops out at 4x, and even that tends to get really unstable and kraken-prone for larger vessels. It sounds as though megaships are intended as a pretty important part of KSP2 gameplay, so I assume they'll have some answer for all of this. I'm just curious to see what it will end up looking like.
  12. A gentle reminder to try to stay approximately on topic, folks? Discussion of software release models, branching, etc. is an interesting topic well worthy of discussion, but unless you're tying directly to the topic here-- which is "KSP2 release date in early 2023"-- perhaps better to delve into the details elsewhere?
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  14. Moving to Add-on Development. (Threads in Add-on Releases need to include a download link. If it's not downloadable yet, Development is where it needs to go. Once it's ready for download, we're happy to move the thread back to Releases if you like, just let us know.)
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