tater Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) Figured this should get a thread because there are 9 cool little spaceships in this category: The big player (makes all the other robot landers, why not these): And the new guys: Edited February 26, 2019 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Phil Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 This might be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Feels like NASA is no longer the one to build the rockets, they buy launches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Xd the great said: Feels like NASA is no longer the one to build the rockets, they buy launches. They never were the ones to build them, but now they’re taking a completely hands-off approach to spacecraft design. Although I really do wonder how many of these will fail and how many of those that succeed will be bought out by certain familiar names, as happens to start-ups in other industries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, DDE said: They never were the ones to build them, but now they’re taking a completely hands-off approach to spacecraft design. Although I really do wonder how many of these will fail and how many of those that succeed will be bought out by certain familiar names, as happens to start-ups in other industries. Well, actually that is the whole point. Some will fail, some will succeed, and that is why NASA hired 9 startups to build new moon landers. Even if they were bought, the expensive R and D is done. The big names will provide the tooling at a low cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 This... sounds like the X-prize ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassel Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Xd the great said: Feels like NASA is no longer the one to build the rockets, they buy launches. What is great solution for problem NASA have. NASA should set goals and missions, but their implementation and selection of technology should be addressed by the private sector focused on profits. This approach will end up reinventing the wheel and never-ending research into new technologies that will never be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias_the_Goat Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, YNM said: This... sounds like the X-prize ? That’s essentially the first thing that popped into my head when I saw this too. Some of these guys are even teams who participlated in the X-prize, such as master and moon express. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 12 minutes ago, Ozymandias_the_Goat said: Some of these guys are even teams who participlated in the X-prize, such as master and moon express. Yeah those are the ones that stood out on me first. In any case, good for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, YNM said: Yeah those are the ones that stood out on me first. In any case, good for them. Yeah, 1 project for 2 prizes/contracts. Then BFR comes along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Xd the great said: 1 project for 2 prizes/contracts To the best of my knowledge, Lunar X-prize is entirely cancelled, so this is their second chance. Also not sure how BFR relates to small probes, sure it can launch a bunch but then you still need to make a bunch, which this thing is helping. EDIT : only the cash prize was withdrawn. Edited November 30, 2018 by YNM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 38 minutes ago, YNM said: To the best of my knowledge, Lunar X-prize is entirely cancelled, so this is their second chance. Also not sure how BFR relates to small probes, sure it can launch a bunch but then you still need to make a bunch, which this thing is helping. What-at? Cancelled? Stupid google. Lets use IE. Well, a bfr flyby with small probes sounds nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 28 minutes ago, Xd the great said: Cancelled? EDIT : Only the cash prize was withdrawn. It already ran from 2007 to 2018, pretty long. But yeah, now they'll have a chance at another funding, which is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSEP Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) Don't forget my entry into the contest. Edited November 30, 2018 by NSEP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 17 hours ago, YNM said: like the X-prize ? Who said about a prize? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: Who said about a prize? I was commenting on the participants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekL1963 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 On 11/29/2018 at 4:22 PM, tater said: Figured this should get a thread because there are 9 cool little spaceships in this category: There are 9 very cool illustrations of space craft. Other than Lockheed, none of the companies have (AFAIK) flown any hardware of note. Nor are these contracts to produce hardware, they're contracts to (essentially) write proposals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted December 2, 2018 Author Share Posted December 2, 2018 8 hours ago, DerekL1963 said: There are 9 very cool illustrations of space craft. Other than Lockheed, none of the companies have (AFAIK) flown any hardware of note. Nor are these contracts to produce hardware, they're contracts to (essentially) write proposals. True enough. Of the group, Masten and Firefly are the ones to watch (no need to watch LockMart, we just watched them land on Mars), I think. Masten has quite a bit of actual hardware. The whole point of this round is to try and broaden the field of possible contractors for landers. (some of the companies don't even have illustrations of spacecraft yet, lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibb31 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 On 11/30/2018 at 1:19 PM, Cassel said: What is great solution for problem NASA have. NASA should set goals and missions, but their implementation and selection of technology should be addressed by the private sector focused on profits. This approach will end up reinventing the wheel and never-ending research into new technologies that will never be used. The only "profits" in the space sector so far, other than telecom satellites, is having NASA or the military pay for launches. In the end, it's always the taxpayer that foots the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassel Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Nibb31 said: The only "profits" in the space sector so far, other than telecom satellites, is having NASA or the military pay for launches. In the end, it's always the taxpayer that foots the bill. Problem is how much money goes per single launch, right? Private sector is going to do same job cheaper, means less taxpayer money will be burned by rockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 17 hours ago, Nibb31 said: "profits" *benefits The profits are on the companies. The benefits are for everyonenb. (nb : hopefully.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tater Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) Commercial crew lander post removed to not derail this (assuming there is eventually more content here). Edited February 14, 2019 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 NASA live also talking about CLPS... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightside Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 #NotAllScience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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