Meanwhile in Russia: fighting climate change... with mammoths

[Green Baron]

8 minutes ago, YNM said:

So, leaves better ? (@Green Baron)

Do they last ?

Better to avoid littering ... ;-)

Edited December 5, 2018 by Green Baron

[YNM]

20 minutes ago, Green Baron said:

Do they last ?

Better to avoid littering ... ;-)

Eh, they'll probably help to be compost. And make the land more fertile.

The reason why trash is a problem is because we're not used with those highly-resistant (and persistent) materials.

Edited December 5, 2018 by YNM

[Green Baron]

9 minutes ago, YNM said:

Eh, they'll probably help to be compost. And make the land more fertile.

Ah, well, but that's not what i meant with the K. thing upthread. These mounds are made from the shells of molluscs, invertebrates, mussels and so, piled up over a long time from the people who lived there. With some flecked in stone and eventually bone tools and pottery. Anything organic is of course long gone ...

Anyway, i strayed from the OP, over and again. Nice work for a psychologist ? I am crazy

Edited December 5, 2018 by Green Baron

[YNM]

12 minutes ago, Green Baron said:

Anyway, i strayed from the OP, over and again.

Nah, it just shows that it's not good to assume everything is the same.

Though we might need to care for the usual elephants.

[kerbiloid]

I'm afraid it's too late to care about the elephants. It's a time to care about their DNA sequencing and storing on compact disks.

Reviving of several mammoths would mean nothing, as they will genetically degrade in several generations.

Edited December 5, 2018 by kerbiloid

[FleshJeb]

EDIT: Nevermind, I need to read better.

Anyone want to talk about geoengineering and/or energy production? I've been reading...

Edited December 5, 2018 by FleshJeb

[DDE]

OK, looks like they've managed to find a venture capital recipient crazy enough to try for literal mammoths (well, reverse engineering mammoth emulations, but still)

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/13/geneticist-george-church-gets-funding-for-lab-grown-woolly-mammoths.html

[kerbiloid]

This can allow to populate Mars with elephants, as the mammoths are hairy and aren't afraid of frost.

P.S.
And Venus as well, but on Venus they need a lot of hot tea to drink, because it's hot.

Edited September 14, 2021 by kerbiloid

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

1 hour ago, DDE said:

OK, looks like they've managed to find a venture capital recipient crazy enough to try for literal mammoths (well, reverse engineering mammoth emulations, but still)

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/13/geneticist-george-church-gets-funding-for-lab-grown-woolly-mammoths.html

...and people thought Jurassic Park was fiction

[kerbiloid]

1 hour ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

...and people thought Jurassic Park was fiction

Jurassic was fiction. Cuz stupid lizards.

Mammoths are real. They live in Syberia.

And in Syberia 2.

Spoiler

 

(Let alone Skyrim)

Spoiler

 

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

43 minutes ago, kerbiloid said:

Mammoths are real. They live in Syberia

They try for Mammoth 

But

They get...

 

[kerbiloid]

Though, they would better revive the hairy rhinos.

Useful here, there, and everywhere.

Spoiler

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by kerbiloid

[TheSaint]

<looks at 2021 bingo card>

Aw shoot.

[sh1pman]

Orange elephants good. 

But it’s going to be a truly mammoth task.

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

14 minutes ago, sh1pman said:

Bad Things

I just lost brain points

[kerbiloid]

Do the Illuminati cards include a card with an elephant?

[DDE]

13 hours ago, kerbiloid said:

This can allow to populate Mars with elephants, as the mammoths are hairy and aren't afraid of frost.

Will gene-spliced domesticated manuls come next?

Truly is the best timeline.

[kerbiloid]

Spoiler

 

The seconf video has birds and lizzards salamanders at ~27 min.

So, they can open a zoo.

P.S.
Manul is only for Starship, because of its steel hull.

Edited September 15, 2021 by kerbiloid

[magnemoe]

4 hours ago, DDE said:

Will gene-spliced domesticated manuls come next?

Truly is the best timeline.

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallaskatt#/media/Fil:ManulZooEdinburg.jpg

Its an real cat with an freaky small head or perhaps its 90% fur, I called hairballs cat parts

[DDE]

2 minutes ago, magnemoe said:

I called hairballs cat parts

It's been reducing the Russian internet to incoherent cooing since at least 2008.

The wooly mammoth of cats.

[sh1pman]

 

[wumpus]

On 12/3/2018 at 1:26 PM, Green Baron said:

- It is impossible to reconstruct a lost ecosystem. Evolution does not work that way. (Too tired to go through this over and again :-))

With the right conditions you should get something like convergent evolution to a similar ecosystem.  Maybe.  Or maybe not.  It really will be a random chance toward all somewhat possible stable ecosystems (and who knows how long you have to feed the mammoths until you get one that feeds the mammoths) and you probably don't know enough about the ancient ones to produce a close copy.

I remember reading an otherwise excellent book on current ecological damage.  Unfortunately the suggested changes were impossible.  Not only politically, but the author simply never thought through that you can't have a complex modern society without the tools of industrialization, and those tools have an ecology similar to life.  Gut the energy use, and suddenly you are back in the 18th century in nearly *all* ways.  After explaining that trying to create an elephant sustaining ecology with tiny habitats with long "elephant corridors" between them, it shouldn't be hard to see that a phone system has similar requirements (don't ask about the chemicals needed to make chips).

[magnemoe]

57 minutes ago, wumpus said:

With the right conditions you should get something like convergent evolution to a similar ecosystem.  Maybe.  Or maybe not.  It really will be a random chance toward all somewhat possible stable ecosystems (and who knows how long you have to feed the mammoths until you get one that feeds the mammoths) and you probably don't know enough about the ancient ones to produce a close copy.

I remember reading an otherwise excellent book on current ecological damage.  Unfortunately the suggested changes were impossible.  Not only politically, but the author simply never thought through that you can't have a complex modern society without the tools of industrialization, and those tools have an ecology similar to life.  Gut the energy use, and suddenly you are back in the 18th century in nearly *all* ways.  After explaining that trying to create an elephant sustaining ecology with tiny habitats with long "elephant corridors" between them, it shouldn't be hard to see that a phone system has similar requirements (don't ask about the chemicals needed to make chips).

Mammoths are not an ecosystem but an animal. See no reason why they should not do well in northern Siberia. Environment is not that different from the ice age ,its no predators who can kill them outside humans obviously and they will be illegal to hunt and well protected. 
As an solution to climate change, no, elephants population grow slowly as they take an long time to mature and tend to only have one calf so it will be hundreds of year until you have an population large enough to make an change. 
But bringing back mammoths, yes do it as they are cool. 
Now they will probably compete on food with caribou who is an meat animal and is farmed and hunted so it will be an conflict here. 
On the other hand, then they get an large mammoth population I guess the hunting licence to bag the first mammoth in historical time will be be way higher than an orbital spaceflight and probably an moon vacation as this is some hundreds year away and its the first.You can pay to go elephant hunting in South Africa, its expensive simply as its an very limited number of surplus elephants and they set the price high to get revenue for their national parks. 

[kerbiloid]

10 hours ago, magnemoe said:

See no reason why they should not do well in northern Siberia.

Maybe because they were living not in modern tundra but in a cold steppe full of grass (English wiki doesn't have an equivalent, but in Russian it's lesotundra = forestundra, and tundrosteppe).

Also, genetical diversity would be catastrophically poor.

10 hours ago, magnemoe said:

its no predators who can kill them outside humans obviously and they will be illegal to hunt and well protected. 

Btw, has anyone tried to keep both elephants and wolves in the same biome?

I mean the full-featured North-European wolves.

Could they hunt elephants?

Edited September 16, 2021 by kerbiloid

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

2 hours ago, kerbiloid said:

Btw, has anyone tried to keep both elephants and wolves in the same biome

Dire Wolf Saber Tooth and Terror Bird were all present when Mammut walked the earth. 

Adults probably have little to fear - but the wee furry babies?  The poor dears. 

 

 

FWIW - Columbian Mammoth probably a better choice given the warmer climate than the woolies