Why Do Americans Love Country And Rap But Hate Classical Music?

[Spacescifi]

 

This is a general trend nowadays.

 

So me being american and liking stuff like this makes me kinda different I suppose. Blaring it on the speakers is a surefire way to make people observe social distacing I tell ya what.

I know. I have done so.

 

So why is this?

I obviously wish more liked it, but oh well.

Is there any country where the folks that love classical outnumber those that blare rap and country on max volume 24/7?

Let me know and discuss.

Thanks.

Edited April 27, 2020 by Spacescifi

[RoninFrog]

I actually like classical music and detest rap.   Yechh!

Edited April 27, 2020 by RoninFrog

[Spacescifi]

11 minutes ago, RoninFrog said:

I actually like classical music and detest rap.   Yechh!

 

Same here. Rap I do not even consider music, but I am forced to listen to it when workmates blare it like it is the best thing ever.

I also dislike country,  but that has more to do with high picthed whinny sounding voices and country accent than anything else.

People don't talk like that.

Edited April 27, 2020 by Spacescifi

[kerbiloid]

Probably because the classical music is a rap of its time.

Also the "rap" is just an accompanied recitative. Just not every rapper can pronounce this.

Edited April 28, 2020 by kerbiloid

[KSK]

Don't think of it as rap. Think of it as urban spoken word poetry. The skill sets involved are quite similar.

Edit:  Counter question. Why do people on internet forums make sweeping generalisations?

 

Edited April 28, 2020 by KSK

[Spacescifi]

3 hours ago, KSK said:

Don't think of it as rap. Think of it as urban spoken word poetry. The skill sets involved are quite similar.

Edit:  Counter question. Why do people on internet forums make sweeping generalisations?

 

 

Skill sure.. lyrics are often pure grabage though, especially by KSP forum stamdards.

Really, if anyone bragged using their normal voice about their activities in bed, at the club, or about threatening or planning to hurt someone, I would either think they are nuts, very outspoken, or a little of both.

 

For what it's worth both country and rap have something in common... they both tell about their life.

Country: Tractor. Wife. Work. Money. I am strong.

Rap: Car. Money. Paid women. Money. I am tough, fear me etc.

So virtually the same in content, just one is far more vulgar.

It's not poetry itself that I have a problem with. It's blasting the crude and vulgar lyrics all over the planet.

Garbage in garbage out.

Edited April 28, 2020 by Spacescifi

[kerbiloid]

Classical music/opera/etc. : Horse. Wife Lady of any kind. War. Gold. I am strong.

Wagner: the same but with souvenir winglets on the helmet.

Manowar: the same but between workout rounds.

Edited April 28, 2020 by kerbiloid

[cubinator]

There's a lot of variation in what people call 'classical', and those who don't know better probably wrap up a few different genres into that umbrella and it just ends up being orchestral music that's not in a movie score. 

I like a lot of orchestral music, it's really quite versatile.

[Harry Rhodan]

10 hours ago, KSK said:

 Counter question. Why do people on internet forums make sweeping generalisations?

Because the easiest way to feel superior towards a presumed majority is to construct them as an absolutely homogenous and brainless mass without their own sets of ideas, hopes, lives, careers and options.

A healthy dose of confirmation bias coupled with a blatant ignorance for context and situation also helps to reaffirm ones personal superiority.

[Nuke]

im a metal head and if a metal band wants to have an opera singer or backing orchestra, im cool with that. but its better when the music was written around it rather than just be an overlay, for example the last few septicflesh albums or anything by therion, rather than things like metallica's s&m and satyricon's night at the opera. all good stuff but its better as a unified composition.

what i am not cool with is everything going towards a more poppy sound. everything has to be engineered millisecond by millisecond, and any traces of humanity removed in pro tools. even to the point where it cant be performed live (and when it is its usually lip sync, or singing over a bunch of pre recorded tracks, that's not music, that's karaoke). it does not sound cool, it sounds lazy and good music is anything but lazy. a real musician spends a lifetime honing their art and should be disgusted when an engineer wants to change their sound. perhaps you should put the picture of the engineer on the cover, their name in big letters, and in small print at the bottom put "vocal samples provided by _name of popstar_". 

i for one do not like rap, and country is only good if you listen to the old stuff (its a genre utterly destroyed by autotune). id rather listen to the ring cycle or dvorak's 9th than any of that crap. and of course there's metal, which has global acceptance despite the american music industry trying to kill it since the grunge era if not before (maybe punk rock but then they just ended up creating thrash metal in the process). 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Nuke

[RoninFrog]

13 hours ago, Spacescifi said:

For what it's worth both country and rap have something in common... they both tell about their life.

Country: Tractor. Wife. Work. Money. I am strong.

Rap: Car. Money. Paid women. Money. I am tough, fear me etc.

So virtually the same in content, just one is far more vulgar.

The one redeeming quality of rap over country is that the obscene lyrics are generally unintelligible.

[Nuke]

9 minutes ago, RoninFrog said:

The one redeeming quality of rap over country is that the obscene lyrics are generally unintelligible.

ever listen to hank III or david allen coe? but to be fair mindless vulgarity gets pretty damn old pretty fast. 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Nuke

[XB-70A]

18 minutes ago, RoninFrog said:

The one redeeming quality of rap over country is that the obscene lyrics are generally unintelligible.

I thought it wasn't possible to be more unintelligible than Country singers from Arkansas.

Bad joke apart, even if I stay with prog' and neo-prog', there are some Country artists I can tolerate (such as Jeffrey Steele).

Now, the most common dilemma for prog' fans:

[Spacescifi]

3 hours ago, RoninFrog said:

The one redeeming quality of rap over country is that the obscene lyrics are generally unintelligible.

 

I wish. 

Even when it is unintelligible I find it annoying.

For what it's worth I have known workmates who actually talk IRL about living the thug life like they listen to with the songs.

One I never saw again after an issue with his work. The other actually bragged of a crime he committed, and blared his rap music while everyone was working. He was unable to keep up workwise, so eventually he just left.

 

Neither do I think it is a coincidence that several rappers are known for their relationship with law enforcement.

And yes... I am being subtle.

Edited April 29, 2020 by Spacescifi

[kerbiloid]

Isn't the symphonic metal both classical and modern? Isn't it perfect?

[tater]

This should get them interested:

 

[Nuke]

On 4/28/2020 at 3:25 PM, XB-70A said:

I thought it wasn't possible to be more unintelligible than Country singers from Arkansas.

Bad joke apart, even if I stay with prog' and neo-prog', there are some Country artists I can tolerate (such as Jeffrey Steele).

Now, the most common dilemma for prog' fans:

honestly weird time signatures give me headaches. 

19 hours ago, kerbiloid said:

Isn't the symphonic metal both classical and modern? Isn't it perfect?

its all over the place, varies from band to band. not hard to find what you are into. its usually composited on top of another genre like symphonic black metal or symphonic death metal which is what i usually go for, but there are others like symphonic/operatic power metal (nightwish, et al), still waiting on operatic stoner-doom metal. 

Edited April 29, 2020 by Nuke

[Canopus]

Why not let other people enjoy the stuff they like? Do you want a medal for being an American and liking classical music? 

[Spacescifi]

3 hours ago, Canopus said:

Why not let other people enjoy the stuff they like? Do you want a medal for being an American and liking classical music? 

Perhaps you do not like that I speak poorly of rap?

I've said what I want, I want to know what country in the planet has a lot of people that love classical.

Because when I do choose to travel,  that's where I wish to visit.

 

Beyond that, I wish to know what is it about rap that people like?

Unless one agrees with vulgar lyrics or likes the beat or both, or perhaps trying to be liked by a certain group of people, or all 3, I cannot think of any more reasons.

It surely is not for the beautiful melody, since other music does that far better.

Edited April 30, 2020 by Spacescifi

[KSK]

22 minutes ago, Spacescifi said:

I've said what I want, I want to know what country in the planet has a lot of people that love classical.

Because when I do choose to travel,  that's where I wish to visit.

Just imagine if you had access to a global information network where you could look these kinds of things up.

Snarks aside, South Korea looks like a good destination for you. At least if you believe the 2019 International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IPFI) report.

In South Korea, Classical / Opera is apparently the 4th most popular genre, behind various flavours of pop, with Hip Hop / Rap coming in at 10th place. China wouldn't be a bad choice either, where it's the sixth most popular genre, with Rock and Dance coming in at 7th and 8th place respectively and Hip Hop / Rap not even making the top 10. 

Globally, Classical is apparently the 10th most popular genre, down a couple of places from 2018, when it was apparently the 7th most popular genre and 24% of people surveyed listed it as their favourite genre, compared to 26% for Hip Hop / Rap/ Trap.

[Canopus]

@Spacescifi i couldn’t care less about rap, same about classical though. 
As for why people like rap, maybe it‘s exactly the  lyrics that just aren‘t speaking to you? Perhaps you just can‘t empathize enough. Music is not just melody.

Also choosing a travel destination on the grounds of the popularity of classical Music seems kinda weird, as if music is the only thing people talk about.

[Spacescifi]

20 minutes ago, Canopus said:

@Spacescifi i couldn’t care less about rap, same about classical though. 
As for why people like rap, maybe it‘s exactly the  lyrics that just aren‘t speaking to you? Perhaps you just can‘t empathize enough. Music is not just melody.

Also choosing a travel destination on the grounds of the popularity of classical Music seems kinda weird, as if music is the only thing people talk about.

 

Not only do I not empathize with the rap lyrics I mentioned, I would not even want to be the kind that does.

1 hour ago, KSK said:

Just imagine if you had access to a global information network where you could look these kinds of things up.

Snarks aside, South Korea looks like a good destination for you. At least if you believe the 2019 International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IPFI) report.

In South Korea, Classical / Opera is apparently the 4th most popular genre, behind various flavours of pop, with Hip Hop / Rap coming in at 10th place. China wouldn't be a bad choice either, where it's the sixth most popular genre, with Rock and Dance coming in at 7th and 8th place respectively and Hip Hop / Rap not even making the top 10. 

Globally, Classical is apparently the 10th most popular genre, down a couple of places from 2018, when it was apparently the 7th most popular genre and 24% of people surveyed listed it as their favourite genre, compared to 26% for Hip Hop / Rap/ Trap.

 

Interesting. Surprising.

[kerbiloid]

3 hours ago, Spacescifi said:

I've said what I want, I want to know what country in the planet has a lot of people that love classical.

Probably, Italy. Looks like they are fond of opera.

But you should be more specific. Classical European music or any classical.
Say, Native Australians' music is classical for 20 000 (?) years and still sounds actual.

 

[Spacescifi]

1 hour ago, kerbiloid said:

Probably, Italy. Looks like they are fond of opera.

But you should be more specific. Classical European music or any classical.
Say, Native Australians' music is classical for 20 000 (?) years and still sounds actual.

 

 

Come on... if the average Russian speaks about classical music you won't think they are referring to native american music.

You know well and good what I mean.

Opera? I don't like it, yet I don't absolutely hate it.

[kerbiloid]

The classical music is a disco of a much slower epoch, of other (usually worse) instruments, and even of another system of tones(?).
In its modern state it exists since ~1800, so just about 220 years, and a half of this period there are more modern styles.
So, I can't see it's something greater than modern styles.

The rap is just an accompanied recitative declamation, known for centuries.
Its current popularity is probably based on the "maybe he's not that great musician, but he's from our village/street", as well as country music and its folk equivalents in other countries.
Many people like to sing, but much less can do it. The rap is a compromise between desires and abilities.

What personally I don't accept in any form (except rap and growling) is jazz and blues. For me it's a chaotic cacophony of tortured tools.
The Little Boxes in the opening of Weeds is an acoustic torture, too.

Edited April 30, 2020 by kerbiloid