What do you think about Jeff Bezos suing NASA?

[Pawelk198604]

Could the fact that Jeff Bezos just sued NASA over the exclusion of Blue Origin from the contract to build the lunar lander delay the implementation of the entire lunar program?

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

There are quite a few discussions about this in both the BO and SX threads. 

 

Enjoy! 

[Beccab]

2 hours ago, Pawelk198604 said:

Could the fact that Jeff Bezos just sued NASA over the exclusion of Blue Origin from the contract to build the lunar lander delay the implementation of the entire lunar program?

That's the intention

[tater]

8 hours ago, Beccab said:

That's the intention

I think the intention is to jam their foot in the door before Starship functions at any level. Once SS is a thing, their own lander is an overpriced toy, and it clearly makes no sense to use it. If they have a contract in place, it gets to be built even though it will be silly. Imagine the astronauts given a choice, do you want to spend a week+ on the Moon living/eating/eliminating with 3 other people inside something the size of an SUV, or would you prefer to go and bring a 4 bedroom house with you?

Or think about trying to sell that to NASA. "Yeah, we're offering a tiny faction of the capability, but it's only 3X the price!"

 

[Kerbart]

8 minutes ago, tater said:

I think the intention is to jam their foot in the door before Starship functions at any level. Once SS is a thing, their own lander is an overpriced toy, and it clearly makes no sense to use it. If they have a contract in place, it gets to be built even though it will be silly.

The speed at which SpaceX develops things is incredible. Bezos is right with wanting to get in now. A year from now SpaceX is probably already landing on the moon. ULA has a "proven track record" argument to justify higher costs. BO has pretty much nothing. If you can't compete on price, or merit, go to court!

[Silavite]

56 minutes ago, Kerbart said:

The speed at which SpaceX develops things is incredible. Bezos is right with wanting to get in now. A year from now SpaceX is probably already landing on the moon. ULA has a "proven track record" argument to justify higher costs. BO has pretty much nothing. If you can't compete on price, or merit, go to court!

There is an old legal adage that says, "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table."

Unfortunately, I think that BO is pounding the table at this point.

[tater]

There are always lawsuits, this is 'Murica, after all.

[DDE]

1 hour ago, Kerbart said:

BO has pretty much nothing.

BO is ULA in a New Space get-up.

[Kerbart]

2 hours ago, tater said:

If they have a contract in place, it gets to be built even though it will be silly.

Surely congress would put an end to such waste of money if it’s pointless.

Right? Right?

[sound of crickets]

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

26 minutes ago, Kerbart said:

Surely congress would put an end to such waste of money if it’s pointless.

Right? Right?

[sound of crickets]

Snark.

Congress does have to abide by the contract terms... but usually there are exit clauses.

[tater]

1 hour ago, DDE said:

BO is ULA in a New Space get-up.

Really unfair to ULA. ULA builds and flies highly capable vehicles with high reliability. BO flies nothing substantial at all, and is not on track to demonstrate they are even capable of it for a few years.

 

28 minutes ago, Kerbart said:

Surely congress would put an end to such waste of money if it’s pointless.

Right? Right?

[sound of crickets]

LOL

[MKI]

4 hours ago, Silavite said:

There is an old legal adage that says, "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table."

 

This is great, writing this one down.

[Mr.dobsonian]

The reason the ocean is salty is because Jeff went for a swim one time.

Edited August 31, 2021 by Mr.dobsonian

[wumpus]

On 8/20/2021 at 10:15 AM, Silavite said:

There is an old legal adage that says, "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table."

Unfortunately, I think that BO is pounding the table at this point.

They are going beyond that, and bringing in their best lobbyists.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09/blue-origin-hires-advisory-firm-linked-to-messy-jedi-contract-process/

[DDE]

5 hours ago, wumpus said:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09/blue-origin-hires-advisory-firm-linked-to-messy-jedi-contract-process/

Something something Order 66 meme

[StrandedonEarth]

 

[lajoswinkler]

What do I think? I think it's both pathetic and hilarious and should be dismissed as frivolous lawsuit.

[kerbiloid]

Is Bezos's launch site situated in a place full of crocosaurs, too?

If no, they should also set zoo defenders on BocaChica, for frying the helpless crocos alive.

Edited September 2, 2021 by kerbiloid

[Maria Sirona]

Let's be honest, Who is a sore loser