OnlyLightMatters Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) Hi everyone. After months not playing KSP1 I've been back to business I think A6/FM1 was an incentive after all. Thank god she took off, we can finally move forward here on the european's spaceport. Of course I am playing with ZTheme and a year later when I gave a very modest hand I have fresh eyes on the subject. Here are my thoughts, complains and sometimes suggestions. I try to being as constructive as possible, I apologize if my comments are a bit blunt. I'm not a native English speaker and I don't always know how to present criticism properly. These should be considered as a few remarks regarding an astonishing and enormous work provided bu the author! 1- Navball Main Marker This is by far the most annoying point to me because it has a huge impact on my gameplay. The current shape of the marker is To understand my issue you will have to watch a few seconds of the following video of a RDV tutorial I made : As you can see when I perform a RDV, I make some refinements of my trajectory so that I always end up close to my target. The lines of the main marker are a strong help to help with performing these actions. But they can only help if there are aligned with the center of the marker. So in my games I have updated the icon with this one : It is possible that I'll end up with thiner lines and a smaller central point. 2- Navball Green and Red zones Given the general flat design of the theme, outlines are not very cohesive. I have currently no proposal to make, I started to rework the whole thing with Inkscape but there is a lot of work to be done. 3- Reputation in career mode I think there is too many information here. I have started the design of a cleaner image, not satisfying to my taste at this point. This is way too simple, the 100 indications have to be present in some way. But beyong being good looking, this image is not very critical for gameplay purposes, we really don't care that much to our reputation when playing in Career mode. 4- Exit Icons A few icons still have a red outline. Outlines IMHO are not welcome in this theme. They currently are, I am playing with 5- Altitude I don't know whether we need shadows on the white lines. Existing my file 6- Game Icons (This is my fault, they are my work) We don't see them that much so they are far from being an issue. But if we follow through with the approach, we should get rid off as many as outlines as possible. Existing is Could be something lighter like . Work in progress. Feel free to comment on the proposals and start a dialogue here ! All my work is available at https://github.com/OnlyLightMatters/SrcZTheme Edited July 14 by OnlyLightMatters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapsnh Posted July 14 Author Share Posted July 14 9 hours ago, OnlyLightMatters said: 6- Game Icons (This is my fault, they are my work) We don't see them that much so they are far from being an issue. But if we follow through with the approach, we should get rid off as many as outlines as possible. Existing is Could be something lighter like . Work in progress. The icons should probably have a thicker outline since they are much smaller in-game. (at least at 100% scaling) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzlebop Smith Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 I like the top two selection for exit. Current & Solid Red. Also want to say thank you. This is my favorite UI skin so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyLightMatters Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 (edited) 11 hours ago, zapsnh said: The icons should probably have a thicker outline since they are much smaller in-game. (at least at 100% scaling) Excellent point, I have to test them in a 1920x1200 100% UI configuration. Last proposal : I don't like the last one, I can't figure out a simple concept that I can illustrate with one only object/symbol. Edited July 14 by OnlyLightMatters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adventurer Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 On 7/13/2024 at 8:05 AM, OnlyLightMatters said: 2- Navball Green and Red zones Given the general flat design of the theme, outlines are not very cohesive. I have currently no proposal to make, I started to rework the whole thing with Inkscape but there is a lot of work to be done. How about something like this: Filled and darkened the color a bit in the areas with the outlines, so that the white text is still visible on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapsnh Posted August 8 Author Share Posted August 8 (edited) I made these navball 'thumbs' (idk what they're called) that display the throttle/g-force values. You can drag the throttle thumb around and set the throttle with your mouse just like the one in KSP 2! What do y'all think? source: https://github.com/zapSNH/ZTheme/tree/main/ZUI/ZUI (GaugeThumbs.cs and ThumbDrag.cs specifically) (please ignore the misaligned throttle gauge pointer and texture, i'll fix that soon) Edited August 8 by zapsnh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheepDog2142 Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 (edited) 7 hours ago, zapsnh said: I made these navball 'thumbs' (idk what they're called) that display the throttle/g-force values. You can drag the throttle thumb around and set the throttle with your mouse just like the one in KSP 2! What do y'all think? source: https://github.com/zapSNH/ZTheme/tree/main/ZUI/ZUI (GaugeThumbs.cs and ThumbDrag.cs specifically) (please ignore the misaligned throttle gauge pointer and texture, i'll fix that soon) That is Awesome! The more you can make the UI like KSP 2 the better. Edited August 8 by SheepDog2142 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adventurer Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 18 hours ago, zapsnh said: What do y'all think? It would be a very welcome addition compared to my messing around with increasing throttle, decreasing throttle, and cutting throttle alongside the engine thrust limiter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazalassa Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 On 8/8/2024 at 1:43 PM, zapsnh said: I made these navball 'thumbs' (idk what they're called) that display the throttle/g-force values. You can drag the throttle thumb around and set the throttle with your mouse just like the one in KSP 2! What do y'all think? source: https://github.com/zapSNH/ZTheme/tree/main/ZUI/ZUI (GaugeThumbs.cs and ThumbDrag.cs specifically) (please ignore the misaligned throttle gauge pointer and texture, i'll fix that soon) Nice! That's a great addition - the best thing in it is (imho) that the throttle percentage is given as a number and we no longer have to guess. If you manage to make the gauges straight, I swear I will redo the Naztheme navball to accomodate straight gauges. (I will probably have a look at it in the next weeks. What would be even better would be to make the gauges relocatable.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapsnh Posted August 10 Author Share Posted August 10 1 hour ago, Nazalassa said: Nice! That's a great addition - the best thing in it is (imho) that the throttle percentage is given as a number and we no longer have to guess. What would be even better would be to make the gauges relocatable. The gauges actually are already relocatable with the object transformer (based off of wheeeUI ). You just have to find the name of the gauges' GameObjects. IIRC the names are ThrottleGaugePointer and GeeGaugePointer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noobly Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 I love this mod! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheepDog2142 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 On 8/10/2024 at 4:23 PM, Noobly said: I love this mod! Its a hands down a must at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheepDog2142 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 On 7/13/2024 at 10:05 AM, OnlyLightMatters said: Hi everyone. After months not playing KSP1 I've been back to business I think A6/FM1 was an incentive after all. Thank god she took off, we can finally move forward here on the european's spaceport. Of course I am playing with ZTheme and a year later when I gave a very modest hand I have fresh eyes on the subject. Here are my thoughts, complains and sometimes suggestions. I try to being as constructive as possible, I apologize if my comments are a bit blunt. I'm not a native English speaker and I don't always know how to present criticism properly. These should be considered as a few remarks regarding an astonishing and enormous work provided bu the author! 1- Navball Main Marker This is by far the most annoying point to me because it has a huge impact on my gameplay. The current shape of the marker is To understand my issue you will have to watch a few seconds of the following video of a RDV tutorial I made : As you can see when I perform a RDV, I make some refinements of my trajectory so that I always end up close to my target. The lines of the main marker are a strong help to help with performing these actions. But they can only help if there are aligned with the center of the marker. So in my games I have updated the icon with this one : It is possible that I'll end up with thiner lines and a smaller central point. 2- Navball Green and Red zones Given the general flat design of the theme, outlines are not very cohesive. I have currently no proposal to make, I started to rework the whole thing with Inkscape but there is a lot of work to be done. 3- Reputation in career mode I think there is too many information here. I have started the design of a cleaner image, not satisfying to my taste at this point. This is way too simple, the 100 indications have to be present in some way. But beyong being good looking, this image is not very critical for gameplay purposes, we really don't care that much to our reputation when playing in Career mode. 4- Exit Icons A few icons still have a red outline. Outlines IMHO are not welcome in this theme. They currently are, I am playing with 5- Altitude I don't know whether we need shadows on the white lines. Existing my file 6- Game Icons (This is my fault, they are my work) We don't see them that much so they are far from being an issue. But if we follow through with the approach, we should get rid off as many as outlines as possible. Existing is Could be something lighter like . Work in progress. Feel free to comment on the proposals and start a dialogue here ! All my work is available at https://github.com/OnlyLightMatters/SrcZTheme Looking great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RileyHef Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 On 8/8/2024 at 6:43 AM, zapsnh said: I made these navball 'thumbs' (idk what they're called) that display the throttle/g-force values. You can drag the throttle thumb around and set the throttle with your mouse just like the one in KSP 2! What do y'all think? I LOVE this addition. It's great visual feedback to ensure accurate precision maneuvering. I didn't realize that you were continuing work on this mod but I am 100% here for it as this is a must-have for any user. That said, it brings a few questions to mind: Are you looking to further replicate KSP2 UI elements in some form or another? Do you have a "wishlist" of planned/upcoming features + bells and whistles, or are you basing future work on community feedback? Any hard limitations you have experienced with modding KSP UI elements that users should consider when looking to develop or suggest future enhancements? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapsnh Posted August 17 Author Share Posted August 17 6 hours ago, RileyHef said: Are you looking to further replicate KSP2 UI elements in some form or another? Probably, depending on how simple they are to implement. 6 hours ago, RileyHef said: Do you have a "wishlist" of planned/upcoming features + bells and whistles, or are you basing future work on community feedback? Not really, I just think of features in my head and attempt to implement them. I would gladly consider community feedback if there is some. 6 hours ago, RileyHef said: Any hard limitations you have experienced with modding KSP UI elements that users should consider when looking to develop or suggest future enhancements? Theoretically, you could just rip out the entire KSP UI out and replace it with your own but that would be way too time consuming and also might interfere with other mods that do stuff with the UI. Aside from that, adding new UI elements often requires cloning an existing UI element and messing with it until you get what you want with it. I could look into making the elements in Unity and importing them in KSP though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHelicopterKid Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 where's the submit to workshop button while using this theme? i cant seem to find it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapsnh Posted September 2 Author Share Posted September 2 15 hours ago, TheHelicopterKid said: where's the submit to workshop button while using this theme? i cant seem to find it What does look like without ZTheme? Can you send a screenshot of it (with and without ZTheme)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHelicopterKid Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 nvm man, figured out that i had to launch it from steam instead of ckan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earth7thlord Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Can anyone tell me how to move Altimeter UI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin1809 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 (edited) 5 hours ago, Earth7thlord said: Can anyone tell me how to move Altimeter UI? You need the KSP community fixes mod, there is a setting for that Spoiler Edited September 10 by Merlin1809 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheepDog2142 Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Would it be possible to redesign the UI layout to resemble the one from KSP2? I believe KSP2 offers a more intuitive and streamlined interface. Specifically, the staging is positioned on the right side of the screen, the navball is shifted all the way to the left, the time warp directly in the middle at the bottom, and the crew portraits are placed in the upper right corner. This arrangement feels more organized and enhances usability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svm420 Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 On 8/8/2024 at 7:43 AM, zapsnh said: I made these navball 'thumbs' (idk what they're called) that display the throttle/g-force values. You can drag the throttle thumb around and set the throttle with your mouse just like the one in KSP 2! What do y'all think? source: https://github.com/zapSNH/ZTheme/tree/main/ZUI/ZUI (GaugeThumbs.cs and ThumbDrag.cs specifically) (please ignore the misaligned throttle gauge pointer and texture, i'll fix that soon) On 2/2/2024 at 12:09 AM, Svm420 said: I have always wondered. Could we get rid of the -5 to 0 of the G gauge? It doesn't actually function that way. Negative gees still read on the positive side. Also the throttle above 100 Just a personal peeve of mine. I see you moved the red area of the throttle gauge to the bottom to fix the alignment. Do you think you would be able to remove the unused section of the throttle and have the needle work correctly? It would make the gauge capable of finer readout if we could utilize the full area. I want to know what Squad was thinking back in the day to design a gauge where like 25% isnt used This mod is stock for me and the new ZUI addition is the cherry on the sundae. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapsnh Posted October 29 Author Share Posted October 29 On 10/15/2024 at 7:41 AM, Svm420 said: Do you think you would be able to remove the unused section of the throttle and have the needle work correctly? It would make the gauge capable of finer readout if we could utilize the full area. The navball thumbs would go beyond the screen edge though I could add an option to make the throttle gauge use all of the available space without the thumbs (or just remove the red bits). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svm420 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 8 hours ago, zapsnh said: The navball thumbs would go beyond the screen edge though I could add an option to make the throttle gauge use all of the available space without the thumbs (or just remove the red bits). That makes sense. Don't know why i didn't realize that. Could the stock pointer/arrow of the gauges be replaced with the thumb you created or something similar? I am most curious if we can keep the numerical readouts you added as it makes the gauges more useful at a glance and remove the space squad wasted. Just trying to think of something straight forward that would allow that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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