Lets talk about these UAPs

[darthgently]

On 7/27/2023 at 3:59 PM, HebaruSan said:

Being elected to Congress neither bestows absolute knowledge nor stops a person from being a "rube". Misguided sincerity should not be ruled out.

 

[kerbiloid]

One should keep his eyes on the eyes:

Spoiler

Whether they built it just for lulz?

First passengers arrive soon?

Spoiler

[StrandedonEarth]

Those dang air forces keep chasing away my ride home...

[steve9728]

5 hours ago, darthgently said:

 

Thanks that guy for putting the question I always want to ask since I know the words “aliens” and “UFO”

[magnemoe]

On 7/27/2023 at 9:13 PM, darthgently said:

It amazes me that one must dig for videos on the internet to find rationality on this subject.  Where is CNN and their ilk?  Why don't news anchors and journalists do their damn job at least semi-professionally?  What else are they misrepresenting and mystifying?

Farming clickbait as clicks today is more important than our reputation 1 year down the line. 
Most media has been like this for +20 years, yes it depend on topics, on more serious topics the more reputable they tend to be more serious but for none serious stuff like this they go all in. 
Yes probably longer but harder to catch before internet. 

[SunlitZelkova]

56 minutes ago, steve9728 said:

Thanks that guy for putting the question I always want to ask since I know the words “aliens” and “UFO”

UFOs have been reported worldwide. For example, there was a huge number of sightings in France in 1954.

The average ufologist just doesn't have the brain power necessary to perform a coherent investigation and search outside of his own country.

[Codraroll]

On 7/27/2023 at 9:18 AM, Shpaget said:

Pfft, they don't even have FTL tech, they are barely scratching the quantum stuff. Darn it, they think fusion is the future of energy production. They'll never be an advanced civilization. Barely worth mentioning in the next millenial edition of Universal catalogue.

-An alien star chart clerk after taking a look at the Earth, all the way from another galaxy

I suspect that when we finally find the aliens, by tapping into the network of communication they use instead of moving about in physical space like common cavemen, we'll be like a kid who logs into a chat room for the first time.

"Hi, we're the humans of Earth ..."

"Dude, there's some new kids in the Main channel. Mods, can you direct them to the Introductions section?"

"This is the president of the UN speaking on behalf of humanity ..."

"Whatever. Can you please stop interrupting our discussion on the latest trade policies of the Federation?"

"We live on a small, blue planet in the outer spiral arm of ..."

MOD EDIT: Personal home address removed.

Five minutes later, another civilization makes the same breakthrough and is likewise ignored.

Edited July 31, 2023 by Codraroll

[kerbiloid]

If continuously transmit simple melodies (whistle with lips or drum with fingers), then sooner or later some melody will match the aliens': door lock, parked car alarm, launch code of a planet-killer missile, or so,

[Ricktoberfest]

29 minutes ago, kerbiloid said:

If continuously transmit simple melodies (whistle with lips or drum with fingers), then sooner or later some melody will match the aliens': door lock, parked car alarm, launch code of a planet-killer missile, or so,

If  billions of monkeys typing on typewriters will eventually write…

 

 

[kerbiloid]

18 minutes ago, Ricktoberfest said:

If  billions of monkeys typing on typewriters will eventually write…

 

 

The melody is not chaotic, that's the key.

What one man can whistle, that another man can suddenly repeat.

[darthgently]

1 hour ago, kerbiloid said:

If continuously transmit simple melodies (whistle with lips or drum with fingers), then sooner or later some melody will match the aliens': door lock, parked car alarm, launch code of a planet-killer missile, or so,

https://youtu.be/wZj7gUIO-2k

[steve9728]

"Huston, we are not alone"

Spoiler

But the ISS in the clips is strange: sometimes it looks like in 2002 - with only the S1, P1, and P6 trusses installed - but then there are shots of the ISS as it currently is, with all the solar arrays. Even have Dragon 1 docking on it.

(Thanks to my hundreds of hours of KSP playing and my own experience assembling the ISS in the game. Thank you KSP!)

[tater]

Years ago, before literally every human was walking around with an HD video camera, I always thought it was hysterically funny that people claimed aliens managed to cross the vastness of space in incredibly sophisticated craft—"that violate all the laws of physics!"—and are then able to avoid higher quality photojournalists/news video/military/astronomers... but were invariably captured on film only by rednecks with Super 8 cameras.

[SunlitZelkova]

Passport to Magonia is an excellent book going over the overlap between the fairies and elves of folklore and the tales of aliens and flying saucers.

I think these phenomena actually exist in some cases (fakes exist too), but they fall under the realm of anthropology, psychology, and possibly even religious studies in terms of how they should be researched.

The Kings and Councils of yore did not hold hearings on the reports fairies and demons. Neither should our government on UFOs.

[kerbiloid]

12 hours ago, tater said:

Years ago, before literally every human was walking around with an HD video camera, I always thought it was hysterically funny that people claimed aliens managed to cross the vastness of space in incredibly sophisticated craft—"that violate all the laws of physics!"—and are then able to avoid higher quality photojournalists/news video/military/astronomers... but were invariably captured on film only by rednecks with Super 8 cameras.

Active holographic camouflage.

Make you saucer have wings and be milk-white.

Or mouse-gray. Depending on sky.

[Pthigrivi]

All assuming probes from another star system would care if we saw them, or care that we were here. Life in another system could be 100m or a few billion years ahead of us. Think about where technology would be a billion years from now without a life-ending disaster. In that context we'd be pretty indistinguishable from any other planet with slime mold. Humans are currently in the process of bringing life on this planet under our control and that involves studying other organisms, but thats just a product of how our species behaves and where we are in our development. The very concept of "control" is incredibly important to us only because we view it as a way for individuals and groups to squabble over limited resources. There's no knowing what will be important to whatever amalgam hive-mind exists a thousand or a million years from now. We might not even have bodies anymore. It's not even necessarily a 'people' or a civilization anymore. What does life mean when there's no such thing as death or reproduction or want or joy or suffering? There's no way to know what extraterrestrial life would be like, certainly not what interstellar life would be like, but there's every reason to believe it's very unlikely to be similar to ours or even understandable to us.

Edited August 3, 2023 by Pthigrivi

[kerbiloid]

From other stars, or not, the humans should develop a greeting protocol.

Starting from bread with salt and garlic given on a silver plate, polished like mirror. Just in case.

Also a cat to look at them first.

We should never ignore the warnings of Lovecraft.

Who knows, what lives on the stars, what is coming from them.
Most probably, nothing good for a human. The stars are deadly.

Edited August 3, 2023 by kerbiloid

[mikegarrison]

6 hours ago, Pthigrivi said:

Life in another system could be 100m or a few billion years ahead of us.

No form of multi-cellular life on Earth has existed for a billion years.

[Pthigrivi]

3 minutes ago, mikegarrison said:

No form of multi-cellular life on Earth has existed for a billion years.

True, but theres no reason life couldn't have started developing elsewhere in our galaxy billions of years before our solar system formed. The milky way is 13.6 billion years old but the sun is only 4.6 billion years old. It will have taken a few billion years for heavier elements to build up but that still leaves plenty of time for life to form elsewhere long before it did around Sol. 

[darthgently]

14 minutes ago, Pthigrivi said:

True, but theres no reason life couldn't have started developing elsewhere in our galaxy billions of years before our solar system formed. The milky way is 13.6 billion years old but the sun is only 4.6 billion years old. It will have taken a few billion years for heavier elements to build up but that still leaves plenty of time for life to form elsewhere long before it did around Sol. 

True.  But we don't know either way yet.  All were can do is try to be philosophically prepared for life also being elsewhere or being unique to earth originated.  Either way, the responsibility is profound.  But if life is unique to earth originated it makes our responsibility even more profound in some ways.  And because we don't know yet, we have to be braced for that possibility.

It is also quite possible that other life is outside our time space light cone and we can never cross paths with it.

[DDE]

On 7/27/2023 at 4:21 AM, Meecrob said:

I think the recent interest in UAPs might be in part due to the Chinese balloon incident.

I think the wave has been some time in the making, and the balloon incident has merely triggered it. Hopefully 2016 is sufficiently old to not be incendiary, but these two thought it was a good idea to make UFO disclosure a presidential campaign pledge.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/clinton-campaign-promises-to-declassify-ufo-files-170662/

And we're not talking about some kook from AllatRA (who is running for POTUS next year... wonder if he's consulted with the member of the cult that's ostensibly possessed by an Annunaki, or even aware of half the repurposed bovine waste these New Agers peddle).

Edited August 3, 2023 by DDE
Correction: this one doesn't claim to be from Nibiru

[kerbiloid]

5 hours ago, DDE said:

2016 is sufficiently old to not be incendiary, but these two thought it was a good idea to make UFO disclosure a presidential campaign pledge.

2021, at the opposite side of the planet.

Spoiler

 

[Pthigrivi]

6 hours ago, DDE said:

I think the wave has been some time in the making, and the balloon incident has merely triggered it.

This all kind of got going when they did the initial release of military videos back in 2017. I would argue releasing them without spending even an afternoon doing the kind of very basic analysis that Mick West does on the previous page was lazy bordering on negligent on behalf of the pentagon. I do think many things are overclassified and transparency is important, but looking a the collective idiocy across the public and private spheres on this I'd argue giving just a crumb of context and analytical reality might have been helpful. Instead of alleviating stigma and encouraging a bit more flow of information on real things like low-tech expendable espionage gambits like the balloon, agencies are now going to be flooded with crackpot nonsense that wastes time and resources. The US went through a really discouraging and deliberate divestment from public education starting in the 70's and 80's and goddamn if the effects aren't becoming more and more obvious. 

Edited August 4, 2023 by Pthigrivi

[DDE]

1 hour ago, Pthigrivi said:

I would argue releasing them without spending even an afternoon doing the kind of very basic analysis that Mick West does on the previous page was lazy bordering on negligent on behalf of the pentagon.

You're assuming good faith.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28377/tom-delonges-origin-story-for-to-the-stars-academy-describes-a-government-info-operation

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Tom elaborates on his pitch to the powers that be in which he notes the military industrial complex has been painted in a very bad light over the years, with its image being degraded massively within the public sphere, and especially among millennials. He went on to explain how he and the entity he wanted to create could change these perceptions and even help with plausible deniability as the information he was given slowly trickled forward. Amazingly, DeLonge says that the officials that agreed to help him thought that the timing was just right for this type of very suspicious arrangement.

In all, one can easily, if not undeniably read his own story as the government assembling a novel non-governmental information platform that sits somewhere between credible and questionably credible and that can work to directly mold the public's perception of the UFO phenomena and defense-industrial complex. 

Edit: I've read through the whole material just now (having posted it just because it seemed to detail what I believed). And jeesh, the 2014 Guardian article they link paints a coherent picture of a community long-nilurtured by the MiBs they're supposed to oppose, but one that's been on the decline in the late 2000s.

And then of course you have the mundane role of the red herring for public discourse. Reminds me of a recent episode of an episode of a Russian CSI knock-off where a corrupt mayor arranged for a local TV starlet to "get cancer" or "have their daughter abducted" whenever his own misdeeds were publicized.

Edited August 4, 2023 by DDE

[kerbiloid]

(The modern manner of calling UFO "UAP" is disgusting).

https://www.aaro.mil/#collapseFour

See the bottom, "CASES"