Shower thoughts removed: What if we are living in a sophisticated simulation?

[kerbiloid]

Unless the Big Bang happened when they changed pi from 4.

[DDE]

2 hours ago, kerbiloid said:

Unless the Big Bang happened when they changed pi from 4.

This wasn't in the patchnotes.

[kerbiloid]

Luckily, there is SCP-536 available.

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[Hotel26]

In no truly sophisticated simulation would anyone be able to even posit the question "What if we are living in a sophisticated simulation?".

Same applies to "free will versus predestination" and other time-wasting 'philosophical' bunkum.

Just my opinion -- which is another class of thing that would not be discernible.  (Spelling and grammar would be regular.  People wouldn't go on and on about stuff, or use "it's" when they are required to use "its".)

Perhaps consult https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/topic/221060-what-if-we-are-living-in-a-shoddy-half-baked-simulation, which actually is a much more plausible situation.

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And explain the existence of "broken links", if not a "real world phenomenon"...

Edited April 5, 2024 by Hotel26

[ColdJ]

In order to simulate there must be an original to use as your example. If we are a simulation then where is the original?

[SunlitZelkova]

13 hours ago, ColdJ said:

In order to simulate there must be an original to use as your example. If we are a simulation then where is the original?

Not necessarily. People build computer simulations of things that don’t exist in real life all the time, namely aircraft, ships, and new nuclear weapons.

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There are many different variations of the simulation theory.

Some posit we are trapped, but being contacted by an outside force to save us.

Some think that there is no way out of the simulation, because if you get out you’d just be in a new layer of the simulation.

This is why I say the simulation theory is not science, but philosophical and religious in nature. The simulation theory is like Zhuangzi pondering the butterfly dream, but dressed up in scientific lingo.

[kerbiloid]

We simulate a simulation.

[DDE]

9 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

There are many different variations of the simulation theory.

Some posit we are trapped, but being contacted by an outside force to save us.

Some think that there is no way out of the simulation, because if you get out you’d just be in a new layer of the simulation.

This is why I say the simulation theory is not science, but philosophical and religious in nature.

I used to call simulation theory "creationism for the anti-religious". Then I learnt about gnostic esotericism and realized that this is just another permutation of it. Simulation theory proponents are ensnared by a millenia-old cult.

And it can take pretty extreme forms. I know of a small but noisy group of Russian internet coaches eho think they're the player characters in a game and they promise to share the secret how to level up. And everyone else is a mindless NPC, of course.

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Ironically, with all the makeup, surgery and filters they look like something straight outta Skyrim Nexus mods

 

[magnemoe]

15 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

Not necessarily. People build computer simulations of things that don’t exist in real life all the time, namely aircraft, ships, and new nuclear weapons.

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There are many different variations of the simulation theory.

Some posit we are trapped, but being contacted by an outside force to save us.

Some think that there is no way out of the simulation, because if you get out you’d just be in a new layer of the simulation.

This is why I say the simulation theory is not science, but philosophical and religious in nature. The simulation theory is like Zhuangzi pondering the butterfly dream, but dressed up in scientific lingo.

I say ships and aircraft's exist as I used them, never used nuclear weapons, and most think that is for the better  
Yes we simulate stuff to check if it work before building it or see if we can improve them.
But we also simulate stuff who don't exist like video games with intricate magic systems. 
And I assume an simulation would work like an video game, you don't simulate the universe you simulate that you are seeing, who is much much simpler. 
But we are getting more an more data making it harder and harder to run the simulation as you have to handle more and more data. Yes you could find bugs and they has to be patched up too editing memory. 
Make me wonder why simulations theory is an thing if true  

And yes its very close to creationism  or the world is 8 minutes old and can not be disproved. And creationists know this so most don't claim the world was loaded with fossils and fossil fuel 6000 years ago who can not be disproved and make little sense. 
But rather some stuff who make no sense created this fast. Something who https://www.youtube.com/c/gutsickgibbon points out well, it would melt the crust of the earth, who is not that we see  

[ColdJ]

On 4/6/2024 at 1:06 PM, SunlitZelkova said:

Not necessarily. People build computer simulations of things that don’t exist in real life all the time, namely aircraft, ships, and new nuclear weapons.

All these things require an initial example to extrapolate from. Things in nature that got humans thinking about possibilities, Birds for flight, seed pods or fallen trees for boats, natural chemical reactions that led to experimentation that through more and more experience led to discoveries, theories, metalurgy, glass making, that could make tools that allowed for detailed observations etc. These fancy AI programs that can speed up the process of finding new drugs and cures for disease would be useless without first being fed vast amounts of data on how interactions happen. This data is the accumulation of hundreds of years of people constantly building upon previous peoples work. I am old enough to remember mechanical computers, I have observed the evolution of computers from big square pixels to the first use of polygons.

To simulate something you need to have reality to draw from. One day maybe all simulation will be based on previous simulation, but it all needed reality to start.

[SunlitZelkova]

On 4/6/2024 at 5:18 AM, DDE said:

I used to call simulation theory "creationism for the anti-religious". Then I learnt about gnostic esotericism and realized that this is just another permutation of it. Simulation theory proponents are ensnared by a millenia-old cult.

Yep. Philip K. Dick, who has been credited for coming up with the concept of "the matrix," identified strongly with Gnosticism. I don't know if there has been a serious effort by a historian to confirm that he was the first to imagine such an idea... the claim is based off of a speech he gave in 1977... but if it's true, the premise of The Matrix, the film that popularized simulation theory, literally comes from a Gnostic thinker.

(Big G gnostic, PKD identified with the originals of about 2000 years ago)

5 hours ago, ColdJ said:

To simulate something you need to have reality to draw from. One day maybe all simulation will be based on previous simulation, but it all needed reality to start.

Proponents of simulation theory usually posit there is a true reality somewhere outside. Some think it is just a better version of our world, others, namely Philip K. Dick, believed it was actually a different mode of existence outside of time.

Note that PKD's theory wasn't modern simulation theory that involves the belief we are in a computer simulation, but rather he uses computer related terms- or rather terms that at the time weren't commonly identified with computers and retained their traditional popular meanings- as metaphors for metaphysical concepts.

[kerbiloid]

It's not that bad if we live in a simulation. What's really bad, this can be a limited demo-version.

Or a shareware.

Or even worse, GPL.

[DDE]

9 hours ago, ColdJ said:

All these things require an initial example to extrapolate from. Things in nature that got humans thinking about possibilities, Birds for flight, seed pods or fallen trees for boats, natural chemical reactions that led to experimentation that through more and more experience led to discoveries, theories, metalurgy, glass making, that could make tools that allowed for detailed observations etc. These fancy AI programs that can speed up the process of finding new drugs and cures for disease would be useless without first being fed vast amounts of data on how interactions happen. This data is the accumulation of hundreds of years of people constantly building upon previous peoples work. I am old enough to remember mechanical computers, I have observed the evolution of computers from big square pixels to the first use of polygons.

To simulate something you need to have reality to draw from. One day maybe all simulation will be based on previous simulation, but it all needed reality to start.

IIRC Sagan once formulated that a purported alien would have to have features not found in any terrestrial creatures, otherwise it would likely be made up.

European explorers imagined all manners of weird creatures, but they weren't prepared for what they found in Australia.

Like, what the heck is that!?

Edited April 7, 2024 by DDE

[kerbiloid]

The historical legend tells that the American Indians were shocked by the horse-human centaur whih can disassemble into two beings, and then reassemble back into one.

That's because the Spaniards didn't visit Australia first.
If they brought the kangaroo, they would need no weapon.

[magnemoe]

58 minutes ago, DDE said:

IIRC Sagan once formulated that a purported alien would have to have features not found in any terrestrial creatures, otherwise it would likely be made up.

European explorers imagined all manners of weird creatures, but they weren't prepared for what they found in Australia.

Like, what the heck is that!?

Probably an smarter design if your smart, probably outside the jumping but marsupials don't have our restrictions on the hip and in you have hand you can just move the pup onto an nipple and you have clothing protecting the pooch and kid.
And for the ladies no painful births its just like taking an dump. Obviously you would start training your pup earlier than kangaroo pups as they is in an safe environment.