[1.0.5] FASA 5.44

[Guest]

You could have the vacuum Isp be very close to atmo Isp, and make the latter somewhat low, essentially doing the same thing balance-wise (constraining F-1 as a brute-force 1st stage powerhorse).

[Woopert]

The F1 was the most powerful engine mankind has ever built, it should feel beefy.

What is a good TWR for the F1? Want to get the engine feeling right for kerbal.

RD-170 is actually the world's most powerful rocket engine, for liquid engines at least.

I think it should have a similar TWR to the Mainsail, since they're generally accepted as the F-1 analogs (as the Skipper is a J-2 analog).

Is it possible for engines to be more efficient in atmosphere than in a vacuum? I would like to use that balancing feature for the F1 as well..

Jet engines, maybe?

In all seriousness, most engines will be more efficient in vacuum, it's pretty much impossible for them not to be.

[Guest]

I have an idea. Have the F-1 "overpowered", but remove or seriously limit it's throttle. The real F-1 didn't have a throttle, and this is a pretty serious disadvanatage for a vacuum engine, and also limits it's uses in small rockets.

[Inconvenience]

Is the download with just the launch towers optimized for 0.23.5?

[frizzank]

Is the download with just the launch towers optimized for 0.23.5?

There are no changes for .23.5. Unless you want asteroids on launch clamps....

I think I am going to make it heavy and powerful but a bit more efficient than the mainsail, just so there is a trade off to it.

mass = 11.5
dragModelType = default
maximum_drag = 0.2
minimum_drag = 0.2
angularDrag = 2
crashTolerance = 18
breakingForce = 220
breakingTorque = 220
maxTemp = 4200

stagingIcon = LIQUID_ENGINE
 stageOffset = 1
childStageOffset = 1

MODULE
{
	name = ModuleEngines
	thrustVectorTransformName = thrustTransform
	exhaustDamage = True
	ignitionThreshold = 0.1
	minThrust = 0
	maxThrust = 1650
	heatProduction = 500
	fxOffset = 0, 0, 0
	PROPELLANT
	{
		name = LiquidFuel
       	        ratio = 0.9
		DrawGauge = True
	}
	PROPELLANT
	{
		name = Oxidizer
		ratio = 1.1
	}
	atmosphereCurve
 	{
   	 key = 0 340
  	 key = 1 325
 	}

}

[hieywiey]

Time to strap S-1Cs to EVERYTHING! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Sponsored by the Jebediah Kerman Foundation

[GoldForest]

Anybody else do a mission to the moon?.... With the Big G instead of the 1-2? And yes, I have the LEM. I like to be different and find new possibilities lol I might launch 1-2 with the Gemini Lander next.

[Cdodders]

Erm, I have a question. I tried to use the Saturn V to launch a Taurus 3.75m HCV, with the short 3.75 fuel tank, J-2 mount, J-2, 8 external mono tanks and 4 solar panels. It couldn't get to 100km without eating into the SM fuel. Either my 3.75m CSM is VERY heavy, or the Apollo CSM/LM combo is VERY light...

This is launch

This is 2nd stage (1st burned out at beginning of grav turn at 7km)

And this is the CSM it strained to get to 100km

[wasmic]

Erm, I have a question. I tried to use the Saturn V to launch a Taurus 3.75m HCV, with the short 3.75 fuel tank, J-2 mount, J-2, 8 external mono tanks and 4 solar panels. It couldn't get to 100km without eating into the SM fuel. Either my 3.75m CSM is VERY heavy, or the Apollo CSM/LM combo is VERY light...

This is launch

http://i.imgur.com/4RtLSuI.jpg

This is 2nd stage (1st burned out at beginning of grav turn at 7km)

http://i.imgur.com/iIMYwDU.jpg

And this is the CSM it strained to get to 100km

http://i.imgur.com/fNU6t0h.jpg

You know, the Saturn V is a three-stage rocket. You should add an S-IVB on the top.

[Deltac]

Erm, I have a question. I tried to use the Saturn V to launch a Taurus 3.75m HCV, with the short 3.75 fuel tank, J-2 mount, J-2, 8 external mono tanks and 4 solar panels. It couldn't get to 100km without eating into the SM fuel. Either my 3.75m CSM is VERY heavy, or the Apollo CSM/LM combo is VERY light...

This is launch

http://i.imgur.com/4RtLSuI.jpg

This is 2nd stage (1st burned out at beginning of grav turn at 7km)

http://i.imgur.com/iIMYwDU.jpg

And this is the CSM it strained to get to 100km

http://i.imgur.com/fNU6t0h.jpg

The Apollo CSM will be 2.5 meter, not 3.75.

[Cdodders]

You know, the Saturn V is a three-stage rocket. You should add an S-IVB on the top.

The Apollo CSM will be 2.5 meter, not 3.75.

There is a third stage, I just didn't upload the pic

I used a 3.75m pod to test it out. RL Saturn V was capable of putting 140t into orbit after all

[Deltac]

There is a third stage, I just didn't upload the pic

I used a 3.75m pod to test it out. RL Saturn V was capable of putting 140t into orbit after all

And what's 140 tonnes multiplied our friend, .64? 89.6 tonnes. Things get smaller in KSP. Except for the heads, they keep getting bigger.

[frizzank]

I need to do some more balancing with the weight, thanks for all the input.

[Cdodders]

Payloads are also scaled, I put a station module consisting of a MOL, MPL and has module using a rocket much smaller and less powerful. The Saturn V should be able to lift something much smaller and lighter into more than a 100km orbit

[Motokid600]

I'm a little confused.. Dennys SaturnV .. that's his own work? Did he break off the deal with you Frizz and go his own way? Not trying to criticize. The more the better imo. Just.. confused.

[Skyler4856]

I'm gonna assume incompatibility with ARM....

[wasmic]

I'm gonna assume incompatibility with ARM....

Well, you assumed wrongly. This is completely compatible with ARM.

[frizzank]

I'm a little confused.. Dennys SaturnV .. that's his own work? Did he break off the deal with you Frizz and go his own way? Not trying to criticize. The more the better imo. Just.. confused.

We are still working together, at least as far as I know. Denny just wanted to do his own rockets...

His are more accurate, mine are a bit more kerbal.

I'm gonna assume incompatibility with ARM....

It is made specifically for compatibility with ARM. The parts fit and look great with the stock stuff...

[MaverickSawyer]

Much more intuitive than Denny's stuff, but not quite as polished. There's a good balance between the two.

[mwlue]

We are still working together, at least as far as I know. Denny just wanted to do his own rockets...

His are more accurate, mine are a bit more kerbal.

Both packs have their own pros & cons, the model shape, scale from denny is more accurate and very detailed, while frizz's texture look more realistic. (no offense at all, denny's texture/color looks abit cartoon-ish to me).

One noob question to frizz, i bet those rims on S-I are from bump mapping while denny actually making those rims into the mesh, right?

[Cdodders]

Will you be doing an IVA for the MOL? And making the MOL doors tweakable?

[frizzank]

Both packs have their own pros & cons, the model shape, scale from denny is more accurate and very detailed, while frizz's texture look more realistic. (no offense at all, denny's texture/color looks abit cartoon-ish to me).

One noob question to frizz, i bet those rims on S-I are from bump mapping while denny actually making those rims into the mesh, right?

Im not sure I have not seen his mesh. Mine are from normal maps.

[mwlue]

Im not sure I have not seen his mesh. Mine are from normal maps.

I see, I personally prefer normal maps, it seems looking more natural in game imo. and save cpu/gpu power i think

[DennyTX]

Both packs have their own pros & cons, the model shape, scale from denny is more accurate and very detailed, while frizz's texture look more realistic. (no offense at all, denny's texture/color looks abit cartoon-ish to me).

One noob question to frizz, i bet those rims on S-I are from bump mapping while denny actually making those rims into the mesh, right?

yup indeed.

i'm very bad painter. Mainly engeneer than an artist. With my 4 months expirience in 3D modelling i prefer 3Dmax and UNITY rather than Photoshop.

Most my meshes divided to many small submeshes that carry singlecolor material. and only big meshes use textures and normal maps.

Triangles are not a big problem for modern PC, only optimisation of colliders are important for physics modelling (IMHO).

Edited April 9, 2014 by DennyTX

[sp1989]

Are you going to use Dennys CM?