JadeOfMaar

Rational Resources [v0.8.5] [Jun 11, 2019]

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On 6/11/2019 at 7:35 PM, JadeOfMaar said:

I've decided to rename this mod from "Realistic Resources." There's a certain high expectation, and pressure, that comes with any use of the word "realism" in the name or description of a mod. This is something I want to avoid, personally.

Yes I understand your thinking. You want to create something in Between Stock and RO/KSPI resourse management. Just Make sure you keep those escapes available (~Tag[*] ) and I can build on top of Rational Resources general template structure which is the true strength of this mod

16 minutes ago, JadeOfMaar said:

Sure, I'll make an airless moon template. Exosphere templates and likely a re-tune of the existing converter options are the bulk of the next release.

Cool notice that KSPIE atmosphere also use a kind of template system. BAsicly it create a atmospheric composition based on the planet/moon characteristics (like size, atmosphere density, temperature, etc). Perhap its an idea to do something similar for RationlaResources using some script (like PERL) which would automaticly clasify a unknown planet/moon on some characteristics. An example how to do this by studying.

 

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On 5/30/2019 at 6:04 PM, JadeOfMaar said:

Active CRP Resources

  • Surface and Atmosphere
    Ammonia, CarbonDioxide, ExoticMinerals, Gypsum, LqdHe3, Hydrates, Hydrogen, MetalOre, Methane, Minerals, Nitrogen, Ore, Oxygen, RareMetals, Rock, Silicates, Substrate, Uraninite, Water.
  • Ocean
    LqdAmmonia, LqdCO2, LqdMethane, LqdNitrogen, LqdOxygen, Water.
  • Star
    Antimatter, Karborundum, LqdHe3, Hydrogen, LqdDeuterium.

 

If you intend to allow resource collection of Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen, please also use  Helium3 and Deuterium instead of LqdHe3 and LqdDeuterium, which is plain ugly

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You've done some fantastic work with this mod, @JadeOfMaar, but I'd like to suggest that you retain your definition of Oxidizer as LOX. While Kerbalism's take is interesting, it doesn't make much sense, and is incorrect from a scientific perspective. Methane + HTP tends to max out at about ~330s of specific impulse, while stock fuels can apparently reach 380s. Incidentally, this meshes in well with methalox specific impulse. There's also the added issue that methane is nearly as deep a cryogen as oxygen, and it's actually harder to insulate a tank effectively when you have two chemicals with wildly different storage temperatures in close proximity.

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1 hour ago, SevenOfCarina said:

. Incidentally, this meshes in well with methalox specific impulse. There's also the added issue that methane is a deeper cryogen than oxygen, and it's actually harder to insulate a tank effectively when you have two chemicals with wildly different storage temperatures in close proximity.

You got it all backward. One of the often mentioned advantages of Metane is that is Cryo temperature is much closer to LqdOxygen than LqdHydrogen or Kerosine, making storage and usage easier. Its one of the reason Methane is now considered as an alternive to Hydrogen or Kerosine

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18 hours ago, FreeThinker said:

You got it all backward. One of the often mentioned advantages of Metane is that is Cryo temperature is much closer to LqdOxygen than LqdHydrogen or Kerosine, making storage and usage easier. Its one of the reason Methane is now considered as an alternive to Hydrogen or Kerosine

You're agreeing with me?

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For some reason, with this mod installed, Scansat only shows karbonite in its maps, but no other resource. Also, is there a reason the CO2 Nerv is only available with restock installed? I'm not particularly interested in that mod, but I am in this one

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On 6/16/2019 at 6:54 PM, juanml82 said:

For some reason, with this mod installed, Scansat only shows karbonite in its maps, but no other resource. Also, is there a reason the CO2 Nerv is only available with restock installed? I'm not particularly interested in that mod, but I am in this one

I have no idea why SCANsat misbehaves. I have a config that changs SCANsat but it's not active. It's a .txt file and it shouldn't be in the download. The reason for CO2 NERV needing Restock is because ReStock changes the NERV (from ModuleEngines) to use ModuleEnginesFX which is used with the multi-mode engine module. I've never tested whether ModuleEngines is usable with multi-mode engine. It's also none-too usable until I settle on how to provide tanks without conflicting with mods fuel switching mods that change the stock tanks.

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I'm checking the Mun and Minmus resources. Is it all possible to create fuel at either moon without retorting to ore or karbonite (ie, with the resources from this mod)? It looks like it's not, and that would cut a stock gameplay element - refueling bases at the Mun or Minmus. And with mods, it cuts back on offworld manufacturing - there would be no point in building rockets at the Mun or Minmus if you can't fuel them.

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@juanml82 I hadn't thought hard enough on that actually. Oxygen is quite abundant for making Oxidizer. Hydrates are abundant, from which you can get Water and make Hydrolox...I haven't released an ISRU chain to handle Hydrates. Unfortunately I haven't given Mun any direct sources of Water yet, with which Hydrolox could be made more easily. Sorry about that. :( I'll include that in the next update.

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Would this be compatible with Far Future technologies? Notably I've noticed that in Rational Resources Hydrogen is named "Hydrogen" where as in FFT it's named "LqdHydrogen" .. I mean it's probably trivial for me to write some patches if needed to correct the issue on my end but I figured I'd ask here anyways. (I will also note that FFT has LqdHe3 and LqdDeuterium, which are included in this mod, which is a plus)

 

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@CoriW I've been working at replacing all the ambient "liquid" gas resources with the gas/ non-liquid forms for consistency™ and adding an ISRU step (a cryogenic converter) to produce the familiar liquid form from the gas input. Helium (most likely) and Deuterium are next to be made non-liquid actually. Arguably I'm breaking FFT compatibility, meanwhile I'm still providing for FFT. Hydrogen, Helium, Deuterium and Antimatter will still be easily placed/place-able at stars and gas giants.

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5 minutes ago, JadeOfMaar said:

@CoriW I've been working at replacing all the ambient "liquid" gas resources with the gas/ non-liquid forms for consistency™ and adding an ISRU step (a cryogenic converter) to produce the familiar liquid form from the gas input. Helium (most likely) and Deuterium are next to be made non-liquid actually. Arguably I'm breaking FFT compatibility, meanwhile I'm still providing for FFT. Hydrogen, Helium, Deuterium and Antimatter will still be easily placed/place-able at stars and gas giants.

Ah I see, given the ISRU method still makes those resources available then that's not an issue at all for me. The only other part concerning compatibility I'm wondering about are the FFT harvesters, for example the atmosphere scoop which harvests "LqdHydrogen" from the atmosphere. Would my best bet be to simply MM patch the harvest resource to "Hydrogen"?

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Just now, CoriW said:

Would my best bet be to simply MM patch the harvest resource to "Hydrogen"?

Yep.

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1 minute ago, JadeOfMaar said:

Yep.

Okay, thanks! That'll give me something to do tomorrow as I'm still waiting on Kopernicus to update to 1.7.2 and Kerbalism to update to 3.0.3 (for the planner time fixes while in use with JNSQ)

I'll likely go through all of my 150+ mods and ensure everything else seems compatible as well .. Anything I find I'll write up some MM patches for. Will probably post them here if you don't mind, just in case anyone else wants / needs them.

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