Bej Kerman

They are also aiming for a proper visual style, not the trademark cobbled-together realistic-ish look you get from visual mods.

Hm. I don't see why the mod by default doesn't let you use it anywhere else.

Hangar Extender

If people are fine with KSP 1 and its near-endless list of missing basic features, I doubt they're going to have much to complain about when KSP 2 comes out with such basic features as non-impulsive maneuver nodes, persistent thrust and automated supply routes. Anyone who complains about KSP 2 on launch will have never had to deal with manually refueling vessels, going back and forth 50 times because Squad couldn't be doing anything more ambitious than figuring out how to implement the most cliché mods in the most mediocre way possible. A precise maneuver node that's so tiny in the bottom left corner of my screen (as opposed to being in a repositionable independent window like in the mod it leached from), so tiny it's barely any nicer than just aiming the camera, is nice and all but it isn't shaving the hours off my mission time doing redundant undock-land-mine-redock runs. The only think KSP 2 isn't doing that KSP 1 with 50 mods is, is eating enough paged memory to more than make up the size of the game itself on your disk. This happened with KSP 1 because it was a mountain of spaghetti code built on a base that was meant to be a 2.5D glorified mobile game. It's not hard to beat low standards. It won't happen with KSP 2 because the developers are actually making a space game and not just an imitation of one.

Because Squad being Squad, they fired nearly everyone and had to start leaching off the modding community for ideas. Not that these were a bad idea to implement into stock, but Squad really couldn't be bothered going beyond a barebones implementation for these. No suicide burn timer such a long time after they implemented the reusable booster scenario in the scenarios menu is just, wow. No words. Anything's good. I look forward to never having to ask mod devs why their mod's not doing anything when said mod should have been in the game from the getgo. I mean, Sonic 2006 was a better game than this. At least each redundant loading screen wasn't putting dozens of GB onto your hard drive in paged memory. Only reason people don't play Sonic 2006, and are in fact quick to label it the worst game in history, is because there are alternative platforming games - if Squad had any kind of competition whatsoever, KSP 1 would have received the same kind of scrutiny such anticlassics as Sonic 06 recieve and would probably have died before release, but not before spending most of its life on life support like Elite Dangerous is right now. It's only thanks to a lack of competition and a decade of Stockholm syndrome anyone likes KSP 1, as opposed to hesitantly playing it because there's no better options, besides SimpleRockets 2 and its abhorrent RNG-esque auto-staging forcing me to reorganise everything all over again whenever I make the slightest change to my ship. But I digress and have been told I have a very digression problem by my therapist whom I began visiting shortly after trying to get back into KSP 1 this month... trajectories would be very nice

What criteria must a vessel fulfill for the "Start Tracking" button to show up?

The stockness really shines through

Don't forget the people that want the game to run properly on a state-of-the-art PC

Did you not try it or something? It works fine in 1.12.

You don't think it's because the mission plan comes after the plot?

7/10, too much water 0/10, KSP 2 didn't follow other games in the pursuit of vapid realistic graphics

You mean like KSP 1 after 5 years of development and 5 years of "we fired all our developers and have nobody to come up with ideas, which mod do we implement in a mediocre fashion for this update"? EDIT: Whoops, offtopic. I see my notifications and don't check which thread I'm in before presenting my rebuttal to whoever's complaining about KSP 2 this time. Will be careful from now on.

Cosine Loss XII, you are cleared for takeoff Love the story. A bit rough around the edges but the central premise is fascinating. Please keep it up!

A utility weight would only spend the same surface area as just adding another thermometer.

Yep Not sure how Cygnus is having this problem in the first place; the evil End Flight button was removed back in 0.21.

KSP isn't even a pre-alpha compared to KSP 2. "Early Access" is just comparing KSP 2 as it is now to its planned final state. I guarantee you KSP 2 on day 1 will be ten times better than KSP 1 has been through its messy history. You mean bugs, crashes, horrible memory usage, and the lot? If you know a mod that can handle automated supply routes across dozens of ships and colonies, a mod that does non-impulsive maneuver nodes that cross SOIs, a mod that divides KSP 1's playable area into grids so that floating point errors don't destroy the KSC upon returning from an interstellar trip, and most of all, a mod that calculates physics using multiple cores and has LODs so that multiple massive vessels loaded at once don't break the game, feel free to tell me where you found them. There's no amount of mods you can add to KSP 1 to fix all the underlying problems and make something half-playable. A. KSP 2 isn't going to be "patch something together until it works". Actual developers are working on it. You had to relearn KSP 1 three times because it took the developers several years (0.7.3 to 1.0 - the FAR mod existed for a majority of the game's pre-1.0 history!) to realise that maybe actual aerodynamics in an aerospace simulation game might be a good idea after all. You won't have to relearn KSP 2 three times because the devs weren't descended from a company that A. had nothing to do with software, and B. whose existence was virtually undocumented before KSP's history. All the tutorials you see should apply the exact same, from the beginning of the roadmap to the end, save for the ones teaching you how to exploit bugs, a software phenomenon Squad didn't bother dealing with until KSP 1's bugs tracker got too big to fit in a large novel. B. If you think KSP as it is now could be described as anything approaching "playable" or "complete" (which it isn't), then I don't get why you wouldn't consider KSP 2 to be playable from day 1. "Early Access" is just a title, and frankly, avoiding Early Access titles just because they have the tag "Early Access" in spite of evidence suggesting that the game is going to be fairly solid from the getgo just sounds arbitrary to me. If you decided whether you were going to play KSP 1 based on its actual development progress and not just which versions are labelled beta and what's labelled release, then I suspect you would have never done so much as touch it.

So I don't waste useful surface / area on a lander probe core. A parachute is big and heavy and I only need to place one and put science experiments and small lead utility weight opposite. It's a design tool. I don't understand how using 2 antennas would be any more wasteful than one antenna and one weight.

That's actually a very good point! Making sure clouds correctly interface with solar panels is probably a higher priority than making them look any better, which probably isn't a goal in the first place because hyer-realism isn't what Intercept should be aiming for here, it's making sure that there's a consistent art style that the clouds respect. To take Outer Wilds for instance, its clouds (attached below) can hardly be described as realistic, but it works very well with the style of the rest of the game. I'd anticipate that super realistic clouds like what's demonstrated in the impressive upcoming volumetrics update of EVE, not to say anything bad about it, would only serve to make KSP 2 look jankier (for a lack of a better term). It'd have the same kind of effect on KSP 2's art style that KSP 1 had when Squad started, but never fully committed to, revamping all of the parts.

I won't name names but it's only a few people that hold KSP 2 to silly expectations. Rest assured, KSP 2 won't be bombed with negative reviews saying "there's too much green", etc.

Those aren't clouds, it's a skybox. You'd only be making a point here if the dev of EVE had to also rebuild KSP 1 from the ground up. In my opinion, while the EVE Redux clouds look very nice while only considering the clouds, they aren't living in a vacuum. Against the art style(ish) that they exist alongisde, they look jarring, and frankly I'd rather KSP 2's clouds stay as they are than approach a realistic style. People's hyperfixation on graphics continues to confuse me.

Why not just use 2x symmetry on whatever you're placing?

I don't think there's a lot you can do to approximate KSP 2 gameplay. You can use Far Future Tech and Interstellar Extended all you want but I haven't yet seen a mod that fixes all the heaps upon heaps of fundamental issues with KSP 1 that makes doing interstellar stuff difficult. Principia is literally the only mod I have seen so far that does non-impulsive maneuver nodes, which are important for being able to predict maneuvers and properly brake when approaching a planet from the sorts of high velocities you expect from a torchdrive.

"Look, Dave. I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over." We have only seen a few of the planets that will be in KSP 2 so far, so now's not the time to be getting angry or hyper-fixated on the possibility that KSP 2 won't have a planet for every single niche there is in astrophysics. KSP 2 might have a habitable tidally locked planet, it might not. But does it overshadow the fact that in a few months we won't have to be driven insane by KSP 1's abysmal performance and buggy physics?

So? Did you want a screenshot of every possible place a spacecraft could be landed on a planet? Static procedural weather effects? Probably. Dynamic weather effects that evolve over time? Nope. Maybe, maybe not. Does it matter as long as Kraken attacks aren't commonplace? I don't understand the idea of placing graphics as a top priority. If I had to guess, some obscure physics related to the shock absorption tech you see in IRL launches. The new parts have been showcased in pretty much every KSP 2 video to come out so far, so this is a really odd complaint to see. Refer to previous reply Does it matter what colour it is?

I really hope you can see that measuring days, months and years using the orbits of the Earth and the Moon is not as absurd as using imperial for no other reason than "it was there, I guess".