Scarecrow71

This situation is getting worse. The community is now starting to be impacted, including the mods.

Are you simply going to stop supporting your KSP2 mods? Or are you taking them all off SpaceDock so nobody can use them any longer?

Make sure to include the AMA's in that clip and/or your notes. Lot of stuff buried in those that might be useful. Let us know how this all turns out.

It can. And I hope it does. Fly high, little bird. Fly high.

No worries. I actually had a situation last summer (23) where I need to look this stuff up. Don't ask why - I'm enforcing my own non-official NDA on the topic. Just know that the terms and EULA both indicate a 3rd party mediator. With that said, there's nothing that says you can't engage a mediator and then sue if that doesn't work out. The big problem will be getting enough signatures on a petition or other legal document to show cause for mediation.

Perhaps not critical to you. But certainly life-altering to the guys who lost their jobs.

This is patently false. TT's terms of agreement AND their basic EULA both state that any legal disputes must go through a 3rd party mediator to be resolved prior to initiating court action.

Correction: while blackrack did confirm his newfound lack of employment, Dakota indicated that he was probably on the way out. Dakota did not confirm unemployment status.

Like the majority of the community, I am sickened by what is happening. I feel like we got bamboozled, even worse now than when TT put the game on sale 3 months after selling it at a premium price. I was pretty vocal then that it smelled fishy, and that it reeked of greed that the company would sell it at $50 to those of us who wanted it right away, but then decreased the price as a "sale" to get more buyers. It sounded like they were fishing for more revenue to justify keeping the lights on, and some of us were pretty loud about that. Couple that with the complete lack of communication we had to go through. EA, at its core, is supposed to be a way for developers and consumers to interact while a product is being developed, right? They push out an incomplete game, we buy it, we give feedback, they communicate that they've received feedback and are implementing x fixes, we get the updates, we give more feedback, they talk to us, round and round we go. Right? Not here. Not with KSP2. We begged for the company to talk to us. Tell it to us straight; we aren't going to be upset if you have to delay or come back and say that things aren't going the way you wanted them to. Just talk to us. That's all we asked. And they refused. They got our money and then left us in silence. Sure, we got a dev blog about this lighting issue, or eclipses. We had, at one point, the KERB to tell us what they were working on...but then they took issues off that list before stopping it altogether. All told, we were taken for a ride. And we paid for that privilege. The company said "Hey, we've got this thing that isn't done yet, but give us cash and we'll call it EA and you'll eventually be rewarded". And like horses to water, we lined up and shelled out our hard-earned money. Which they took, and then gave very little - if anything - in return. We paid for the right to be ignored and shut out of development news. We paid to have the community fractured, friends yelling at each other, and the company laughing at us the whole way. We paid to go through this. This exercise is exactly why I didn't get into EA releases with other games that are in my library. I only 1 time before entered EA or a beta-playing phase of a game before, and that was for Harebrained Schemes' Shadowrun. Which went off without a hitch, by the way. But even with that good experience, I had read too many times where things just fell apart and didn't work. Heck, I was close to going in on Cyberpunk, and I'm glad I didn't. But KSP? I couldn't resist. My better senses were telling me to wait, but my heart over-rode them. And Take Two broke it. All told, and to finally respond to what you wrote (I took long enough to get there, didn't I?), I doubt anyone gets a refund. Doesn't matter if you went Epic or Steam, the refund "rules" are pretty clear: less than 2 hours played, less than 2 weeks after purchase. And TT will hide behind that as a way to make sure they don't have to fork the cash back over to Steam or Epic. It would be a nice gesture if they did...but it won't happen. That money is already pocketed and spent (so to speak). So what can we do? Nothing. Not a damned thing. Sure, we can post and protest. Sign one of the petitions going around right now. Take up coding and try to create your own game if you must (even I downloaded the Unreal Engine last night and am going to give it a whirl). But nothing we do is going to amount to anything. We aren't going to change their minds, we aren't going to get our money back, we aren't going to be able to save the franchise or the studio or the employees who are out of jobs. Nothing we do in the end will matter. Where does that leave us? Hopefully being cool to one another. Perhaps talking about KSP1. Maybe finding other games to enjoy. But KSP2? Gone before your time, and we barely knew ye.

@Dakota tweeted this morning that he might no longer be employed. @blackrack tweeted and confirmed that he was let go. I doubt we actually get any official word from the organization. We will instead have to wait for the unfortunate nuggets getting dropped by former employees. Sigh.

Those are both some hard announcements to hear. The guy they hired to fix graphical performance is gone, and now one of the CM's is on the way out. I might actually throw up.

Hard disagree here. A self-moderated community only works when all members are treated equally. And we can all agree that this is not the case here.

I'm...not? And I'm not sure why you think I am? You made a statement about SZ and his being impartial over MP, and I countered that. Simple. No anger there. Well, none other than the anger you brought to the table, because I have none.

Nope. I'm saying that a large portion of the forums and user-base called FOUL upon seeing the images, and there were doubts even before those images came out that multiplayer was a joke. Me, I don't give a rat's patootie about multiplayer; I don't do MP games because they all, without fail, invariably turn into some form of PvP where veterans lurk near spawn points and shoot down unsuspecting new players and then laugh about it. But back on topic - I never said I knew anything. I said what is common knowledge - a large part of the forums were skeptical. Right here on the forums. Considering I have zero idea who you are, I'm gonna say I was probably smack-dab in the middle of I-don't-even-know-you-and-have-no-clue-what-you're-talking-about-ville.

Which is no different than half the people on this forum. A lot of people have serious doubts about whether or not multiplayer was ever going to make it, or that it was in development. It literally became a joke and a heated talking point (yes, at the same time) over images that were shown in...gosh, I don't remember if it was in an AMA or just a video or even a dev blog. But the point is that we were shown multiplayer screenshots, but since then...zero. SZ calling out the developers for this isn't a new thing; you can go through multiple forum posts from multiple people and see the same things.

Don't look now, but today is Friday. And for the last 15ish months, Friday has been the day that news drops. No, I don't have insider information. No, I have no clue whether or not anything is ever going to get said. But I've got hope, and hope is a powerful thing.

Posts like this are why we need an upvote mechanic. I literally dropped what I was eating and laughed at this.

To add to this, keep in mind that the people who list their jobs are part of an industry that, as a whole, is scaling back. The layoffs that took place aren't unique in the gaming space right now. Even if another studio wanted to buy the IP, gaming companies aren't interested in spending money or hiring new people right now. For reasons beyond the fact that I am financially invested with my small slice of cash, I do hope that PD is able to push this to another internal studio (Take Two owns Cat Daddy, which is in Kirkland, as an example) so development can continue. Heck, move it here to Las Vegas and I'll come to work for nearly free just to see this done. Unfortunately, due to the attempt to save money, I doubt it will happen.

I like the part manager in KSP2 when I'm trying to get to parts I've buried under structural elements.

No way #1 is worth $5-10 USD. At least, not to me. #2 already exists as a mod: #3 is something I've already tried messing around with as a mod. I'm no coder, so it hasn't been as easy for me to do as someone else. And I have no idea what you are going after with #4. $25 to do...what, exactly? Beyond all of the above, there is no way you'll get enough people who didn't refund to spend more money on a game that is more than likely canceled and won't ever get to the point we were promised it would get to.

Can you clarify which areas are the ones that matter please? Because I'm having a hard time reconciling this statement against decaying orbits, missing trajectories, and even a friendlier maneuver node editor.

I think the thing people are going after with talk of a class-action would be the promises the company made regardless of the product being in EA. All the hype, all the talk about how they'll finish and everything is good. All the tidbits about velocity being good, and timelines are being met. I think this is where people are aiming. And that's a damned hard thing to prove outside of court, let alone inside of one. While there are laws that protect consumers from outright fraud, it's gonna be pretty hard for anyone to prove the company - TT, PD, IG, or some other entity in the umbrella - was intentional in deceiving the community. But, if they want to pursue it...I say good luck, and I hope they have enough cash to see it through.

Did you read your own post to me? You literally asked "what I was asking about". And considering multiple people thought I originally asked for an explanation as to what was happening with IG yesterday, I thought it was imperative and needed to indicate that no, I wasn't looking for that, but rather I was wondering why the mods hadn't stepped in to deal with the high emotions and flame wars coming about as a result of what was happening. Vanamonde himself stated he has a day job, but then went on and stated he had no further information, which was NOT what I was looking for. Beyond that, I've got nothing for you. If that's not a good enough explanation, then I don't know what is. I'm tired of having to defend myself for asking what was supposed to be a simple question. And I'm tired of having to explain myself to everyone in this thread time and again over what I was originally asking for. I'm done. Leave me alone.

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