blackrack Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 How does this look? 20 hours ago, Drew Kerman said: I don't think it's worth the extra effort that would go with having to keep track of it separately, but that would be your call. From a user standpoint, I went back to 1.1.3 just so I could get one photo from an IVA using this setting and I did notice it affected the ground somewhat if it was set too low, so just having it as a value people can play with within Scatterer (since its Scatterer that would be causing any ground/water flickering) seems to make the most sense. Keeping all problems in one place and all that. Ok, no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plonk Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, blackrack said: How does this look? [snip] Very wet! I'm looking forward to the next images. I now have to check, if one can configure some kind of backback with ballast to keep a kerbal submerged. Maybe with KIS. This looks really great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galileo Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 @blackrack I hate submarines and boats............ Why must you make my mind tell me I need to start using them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Kerman Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, blackrack said: How does this look? looks awesome! And ok, I really want planetshine the most still BUT this will certainly be a great visual treat when my astronauts start using underwater bases/training to simulate extreme/vacuum environments Edited April 22, 2017 by Drew Kerman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HafCoJoe Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 It looks amazing! Impressive how fast you're making progress too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrack Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 13 minutes ago, Avera9eJoe said: It looks amazing! Impressive how fast you're making progress too Thanks, I've learned a lot in the two years I've been working on this mod. The best part now is playing other games and being able to see why certain technical choices were made or how a certain effect is achieved. 21 minutes ago, Drew Kerman said: looks awesome! And ok, I really want planetshine the most still BUT this will certainly be a great visual treat when my astronauts start using underwater bases/training to simulate extreme/vacuum environments All in due time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HafCoJoe Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, blackrack said: Thanks, I've learned a lot in the two years I've been working on this mod. The best part now is playing other games and being able to see why certain technical choices were made or how a certain effect is achieved. Likewise it's been a treat to learn through the (be it very basic) mods I've set out to run Hah, now that you mentioned it in your second point I've had the same findings with film and music ever since I started drumming and studying media arts. Once you learn how to do something, you never see it the way you did before. I feel it'd be fun to run through other games with you. Edited April 22, 2017 by Avera9eJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maculator Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Probably asked before, so sorry in advance. I use the latest eve + latest scattere and I tracked down the cloud-fix (new dlls for eve). Stil my EVE is a white ball with this mod Further: If I use the "fixed" dlls I get 0 clouds. Without them I get clouds and no other issues but the "white ball". Can anybody help? What could you need to help me? Logs, screens etc?! I really love this mod and since my oceans aren't a mess anymore I would love to use it - badly. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cy4n Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 @maculator Do you have a set of cloud configs installed? (BoulderCo, Stock Visual Enhancements, KSPRC, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maculator Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) I have the stock configs installed. And the fix from this post: BUT Im, as mentioned, confused. Because this fix just terminates all my clouds So yeah EVE isn't a white ball anymore, but no clouds at all. Edited April 23, 2017 by maculator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrack Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, maculator said: I have the stock configs installed. And the fix from this post: i haven't tried the newest version of EVE yet (in fact didn't know a new one was released). The fixed files you see above are for a very old release (september), you don't need them for the newer versions. The current scatterer cloud integration is meant for the version of EVE released in october (second one in the downloads above). Maybe get that one or disable the cloud integration from scatterer and see if it helps. You don't need the fixed dlls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maculator Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) Okay so I'll try to disable the cloud integration and if that doesn't work I'll get the second version in the github and install this. I'll report back, thanks @blackrack up to date eve + scatterer with eve cloud integration disabled didn't work out I can't see the terrain anymore. Spoiler I'll install eve from october instead and check it... Edited April 23, 2017 by maculator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodmund Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) The EVE configs use Cube Maps for their cloud textures which suffer from the EVE Cloud Integration bug that they appear white when that option is enabled in Scatterer... which I think is a problem with Eve as the cloud layer is coloured. Turn that option off and it should be fine... hopefully? Let us know how it goes. Edited April 23, 2017 by Poodmund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maculator Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Poodmund said: The EVE configs use Cube Maps for their cloud textures which suffer from the EVE Cloud Integration bug that they appear white went that option is enabled in Scatterer. Turn that option off and it should be fine. I have it disabled. And @blackrack eve from october + scatterer with disabled integration: same as before (purple ball) eve from october + scatterer without disabeling integration: white ball most recent eve + scattere with disabled integration: purple ball most recent eve + scatterer without disabeling integration: white ball I really don't know what to do I didn'T touch any other settings. thise are the contents of my GameData folder Spoiler - x-science - Audio Muffler Redux - BoulderCo - Chatterer - Distant object - Engine Light - EnvironmentalVisualEnhancements - EternoRest2000 - Kerbal Engineer - PlanetShine - scatterer - TriggerTech/KerbalAlarmClock - ModuleManager and this are my settings Spoiler no clouds in menu happens when I exit the game to the menu. Edited April 23, 2017 by maculator reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maculator Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 So thanks at all for trying to help, but even when I install SVE and stick 110% to the install instructions it won't work with either settings. Eve just refuses to be beautiful, I'll quit and stay stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cy4n Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Do you have OpenGL enabled in steam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maculator Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 No. I use the normal x64 version over steam. No start parameters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimech Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Question about contact foam. Will there be an adjustable parameter for the amplitude and decay of the foam? And could it somehow be dependent on speed of the collider moving over the surface? That way we could have trails behind ships. :-) I understand however, a bow wave would be difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrack Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, maculator said: No. I use the normal x64 version over steam. No start parameters. Sorry I thought you had the white ball not the purple ball? Can I see a screen and a log? Also try starting in dx11 or opengl if you haven't already. 10 minutes ago, Azimech said: Question about contact foam. Will there be an adjustable parameter for the amplitude and decay of the foam? And could it somehow be dependent on speed of the collider moving over the surface? That way we could have trails behind ships. :-) I understand however, a bow wave would be difficult. It's nothing that elaborate, at the moment it's just checking the depth buffer to see how close the surface is behind it. ie it doesn't leave a trail after a ship has moved, so no such a thing as decay or collider checking or anything. You can see it here around the base of the plane: https://vid.me/zP0x If the plane moves there appears to be a bit of foam around where it touches the water but it will not leave a trail, that's a bit more complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plonk Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) @maculator Have you checked the version number in the scatterer screen in game menu? Strangely, both DL links in the OP, Mega and SpaceDock, offer a zip named scatterer-0.0300.zip, but both of them show "Scatterer v0.0275 preview". After noticing that when installing SVE 1.2, I took (only!) scatterer from the last bundled version (https://github.com/Galileo88/StockVisualEnhancements/releases/tag/v1.1.6) from which I remembered that it came with v0.0300. I did not try SVE 1.2.2 yet. Hope this helps! Edited April 23, 2017 by plonk Wrote EVE, ment SVE of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimech Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 16 minutes ago, blackrack said: It's nothing that elaborate, at the moment it's just checking the depth buffer to see how close the surface is behind it. ie it doesn't leave a trail after a ship has moved, so no such a thing as decay or collider checking or anything. You can see it here around the base of the plane: https://vid.me/zP0x If the plane moves there appears to be a bit of foam around where it touches the water but it will not leave a trail, that's a bit more complicated. Understood. I'm already happy with the future update. Thanks for the reply :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maculator Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) Okay I'll check the solutions provided by you guys and if it all fails, I'll provide a fresh log of newest eve + newest scatterer Edit: thnx @plonk I got scatterer from the github link and it indeed is the preview! (<-- @blackrack ) I'm now downloading the pack you mentioned to get scatterer from there (I got a as we call it "bamboo-connection" - so I'll report back when it's done) Edited April 23, 2017 by maculator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrack Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 1 hour ago, plonk said: @maculator Have you checked the version number in the scatterer screen in game menu? Strangely, both DL links in the OP, Mega and SpaceDock, offer a zip named scatterer-0.0300.zip, but both of them show "Scatter v0.0275 preview". After noticing that when installing SVE 1.2, I took (only!) scatterer from the last bundled version (https://github.com/Galileo88/StockVisualEnhancements/releases/tag/v1.1.6) from which I remembered that is came with v0.0300. I did not try SVE 1.2.2 yet. Hope this helps! That's just me forgetting to update the version number. Although i might have released a bugfix or two which are bundled in that SVT version (can't remember what they were frankly). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maculator Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) I just did notice that I think EVE itself is the problem ... If I look at planet eve with only EVE installed it is a purple ball too... So I guess I'll compliment myself out of this thread an try to find a solution over in the EVE thread. This is gonna be fun searching for "Eve clouds not showing" in the EVE thread Should have checked that before, stupid old me. Well maybe the SVE complete pack I'm downloading right now ill work - might aswell just use that. Edit: Thank you ALL!!! This is the most beautiful thing I saw today! https://github.com/Galileo88/StockVisualEnhancements/releases/tag/v1.1.6 the linked complete pack worked! Edited April 23, 2017 by maculator happyness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrack Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 So I'm in need of some testers for the new effects. Things to keep in mind for this (preview) version: -New effects include: Water refraction and depth-based transparency, contact foam and underwater surface and "fog", there are some new parameters in the ocean tab to control them -If you disable refraction, underwater effects may not work, this will be fixed. -Ocean lights compatibility will break all the new effects, disable it for now. This will be fixed. -Sunflares still render underwater, this will be fixed. -From orbits around 70-160km, when you have refractions on, you might see outlines around the shore, this will be fixed. -I haven't made configs for laythe or EVE oceans so they'll get the default values. -The setting for alternate SQRT is removed, it should not be needed anymore, please report if you still get issues with the "leaking halo" around planets. -There used to be a very obvious line around 300m in front of the camera where the postprocessing effect starts, this is fixed. -I haven't tested with EVE or any other mods, I expect the clouds might be visible through the underwater surface, please tell me if this is the case. -NearClipPlane parameter is back in the config file, I don't recommend messing with it. -When the camera is just at the water surface level there may be some artifacting, a bit lower or higher everything should work well. Report any new issues and let me know what you think of the new features. Have fun https://mega.nz/#!KBgjhQgY!A3ccBD_YyURyanNrmu9i2DTNXuM3-KKQ8-Wu11Z7PwM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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